Unknown Soldier
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Why not? Custom 1080s might OC a lot. I have a 980 Ti and i need every last drop of performance for 4K. If the heavily OC'd 1080 beats the OC'd 980 Ti I will seriously consider the upgrade.
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 reviews and benchmarks
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Why not? Custom 1080s might OC a lot. I have a 980 Ti and i need every last drop of performance for 4K. If the heavily OC'd 1080 beats the OC'd 980 Ti I will seriously consider the upgrade.
PHOENIXZERO
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People jumping on inflated reference cards disappoints me.
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Deleted member 17706
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I did say "most." Some people obviously always want to be on the bleeding edge, money be damned. I'd put people with 4K monitors who intend to use them for high-end gaming in that camp.
Not me. Buy up people. I want to buy a good custom cooled card without waiting months for it.
SneakyStephan
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Gtx 780 does not belong in that list
it's big kepler, 560mm² die, it's a cut down titan.
gtx 1080 is not a cut down pascal 'titan' (gp100) , it's the small die (gp104), like the 770 was and the 680, and the gtx 980 and 970, and the gtx 560-560ti before that.
I'm sure noone will read this and just argue that because big die kepler had a big die price that small die pascal should also cost 650 dollars...
Kinda agree, if proper non reference models are still a ways out and all that's available is the FE then I could used 980 Ti prices actually going up a bit in the short term.
Right now, even a $450 non-ref 980 Ti looks like a great deal compared to the 1080 FE at $700.
Now if the 1070 delivers it could change things, but the 1080 def looks like a poor value right now compared to used 980 Tis. I expect 1070 OC performance however to be hampered by the reference cooler as well, so OC to OC it may not match a custom 980 Ti, even if it is faster at stock.
dgrdsv
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Sure it does. It's a x80 card as well as the others.
SneakyStephan
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Try to read past the first sentence, then I don't have to repeat myself.
The name is completely arbitrary, what was once the x60 is now the x80, what was once the x80 is now x80 ti or titan
DryvBy
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Those pre-orders weren't it, right? I don't want to pay for this:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...Xgeforce 1080.TRS0&_nkw=geforce 1080&_sacat=0
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...Xgeforce 1080.TRS0&_nkw=geforce 1080&_sacat=0
Seems like the 1080 needs to be water-cooled and kept under 75c like the Titan X to get the most performance out of it, although it seems to throttle even worse than Maxwell which is crazy but not unbelievable given more transistors packed into a smaller space.
Water-cooling on the Ti version is going to be a must. It should've been standard on the Titan X imo.
Water-cooling on the Ti version is going to be a must. It should've been standard on the Titan X imo.
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Wasn't nvidia going to sell them through their website? Did anything come of that?
Compsiox
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25th
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Deleted member 17706
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Does any of that really matter, though, when it came to performance?
Were the jumps from the 680 to the 780 to the 980 wildly different, or were the "gains" more or less the same between generations regardless of price?
Please don't take this as a defense of Nvidia, but if both the name and price are arbitrary and have been shown to change depending on the generation, on what grounds does everyone have to criticize the Founder's Edition being released at $699? Is it just because they announced an MSRP for which no products have been announced?
Coolade
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But.... yes it does because I was specifically giving the prices of the _80 cards, which is what was being asked about. The actual architecture is interesting, but at the end of the day most consumers look at the name, the price, and the performance.
SneakyStephen keeping it real! A reminder of that video for anyone believing in St. Nvidia. More slips of the tongue and awkwardness than a David Brent presentation.
I had money burning a hole in my pocket for one of these cards, but quite content to sit it out now until better cards come out at less artificial prices.
I had money burning a hole in my pocket for one of these cards, but quite content to sit it out now until better cards come out at less artificial prices.
finalflame
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Was anyone here able to snag an Amazon preorder? Do you have a launch guaranteed delivery date?
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We don't have any information about such cards yet, and this also assumes that Nvidia thought it would be a good idea to sell a worse product for more money than their competitors just to score a few extra hundred thousands dollars or few million dollars by screwing over early adopters. Seems wacky to me.
dgrdsv
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I did and your reasoning doesn't work. It's an x80 card at the same price bracket, it doesn't matter what chip it's built upon or if it's a salvage part or not. It does belong in the same line as every other x80 card of last several years.
I did a Zotac preorder there that I'll almost certainly cancel. I have Prime, and shipping to arrive 5/31 was $8.98. June 1 was "free" of course.
Edit: I'm a dumbass. Someone had left a Blu-ray in our Amazon card so when I spammed the check out buttons, didn't realize that half the shipping was for that.. So yeah, it's the usual Prime shipping price.
draughn101
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I'm kicking myself for not jumping on the MSI OC 980tis from microcenter at $499.
finalflame
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Ah. I'm thinking I'll go for the nVidia reference. Ships from Santa Monica just south of me and probably guaranteed to arrive the 27th if orders really do open on 5/25.
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Deleted member 17706
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I was under the impression that Nvidia just sold these cards to their partners so they could have something to put in the channel while they worked on their own designs. The actual card itself are all from Nvidia, no?
If you only have so many cards and people are willing to buy them at that price, then that's the free market, sucker or no sucker.
jim2point0
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Well yeah. All we have to go on for that $700 price is "high quality materials and thermals." But we don't know how that compares to what a $600 version would look like. So it just screams "get the early adopters with a higher price point because they're impatient."
Even if I felt the need to upgrade to the 1080, they've done nothing to convince me that the founders edition is worthwhile.
Comparing die sizes divorced from the maturity of their respective manufacturing processes doesn't make all that much sense. A smaller die on a cutting edge process might be as expensive as or even more expensive than a larger die on a mature process.
Make no mistake, I definite think Nvidia's prices can be egregious but I'd hardly describe a 980 Ti or 1080 as "mid range." The class of a card is kind of defined by comparison, and when a card is the single fastest available when it releases, I'd say that by definition it is not "mid range."
MikeE21286
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Did the 1080 FE go up on Amazon and sell out? I must have missed it...
The Zotac one did. I was lucky enough to grab one, but not sure if I'll keep it or cancel.
BladeSinner
Neo Member
Fact. Non reference coolers aren't great.
This is with a evga 970 cooler at load.
R9 390 or GTX 970. They cost about the same. R9 390 is slightly faster but also uses more power.
BoboBrazil
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Someone on another forum found this
evga.com/precisionxoc
Cards confirmed:
Super clocked
FTW
Classified
Hybrid
Hydro Copper
evga.com/precisionxoc
Cards confirmed:
Super clocked
FTW
Classified
Hybrid
Hydro Copper
Soltype
Member
Now if we can get a date on these.
Unknown Soldier
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Fact. Non reference coolers aren't great.
This is with a evga 970 cooler at load.
EVGA ACX 2.0+ is well-known to be the worst of the custom coolers. MSI Twin Frozr, Gigabyte Windforce, ASUS DirectCU, Zotac Icestorm all beat the ever-loving shit out of EVGA ACX 2.0+. People don't buy EVGA because the cooler is good, they buy it for the lifetime warranty and the Step-Up.
OmNomMonster
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I just bumped in this thread last minute but I have been using nowinstock to see when amazon/newegg/any other site stock the GTX 1080 cards. I got myself a preorder off amazon about 3 hours ago. You can have it so it refreshes every 30 seconds but I find it better to just keep the comments open because people will notify you a lot faster once a pre order opens up. As soon as i preordered mine they went out of stock in less than 60 seconds.
FairXchange
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R9 390 I'd say.
demigod
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I just sold my msi 970 to a gaffer. It was super quiet and there was ZERO dust on the fan and thats having the card since sep 2014. Thats how good Twin Frozr is. Plus i've had bad experience with evga fans dying on me so i stay away from them.
Haint
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I wouldn't start breaking out the champagne just yet. Selling out means nothing unless you know how many were available. On a random Friday in May, how many units of a specific SKU (e.g. EVGA SC 750ti) do you think Amazon moves a day? A few hundred, a few thousand? The 1080 is the number 4 best seller in GPU's (behind the aforementioned EVGA SC 750ti), so that should give you an idea of the volume we're probably talking about here.
Does it come over clocked or do you have to do it yourself? lol :/
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Seems like that's the case, especially if at 60 hz.
The_Inquisitor
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Wait preorders went up? Shit.