Has that ever been the case?
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 reviews and benchmarks
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Has that ever been the case?
Hawk269
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Why is this shocking to you? It is a new GPU, the fastest GPU available. This thing is going to be sold out so quickly it will make you head spin. I can guarantee that come the 27th we will be seeing post after post of people complaining that they were not able to get one on launch. Hobbled or not, it is still the fastest card available and people will buy it regardless and people will rage when they can't get it because it sells out.
Shifty Capone1
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I want this card. Been waiting a long time, but no way would I gimp myself and pay an extra $100. I've waited a couple months, I can wait 1 more month, probably max, for better custom card with a better cooler.
This is my situation as well. I've been running the 7970 Ghz and picked up an Asus RoG monitor late last summer with the intention of buying a 980Ti. I wish I'd just jumped on the 980Ti and then to a 1080ti next year.
I have a project at work booting up at the end of the summer that's going to leave me with very little time for gaming. Right now I'm working 30-40 hours a week. Therefore the difference between getting a card next Friday vs. sometime in June is significant.
In short, time > money, and the amount of yelling and disbelief here is kind of shocking given it's a tech/gaming forum where people regularly go overboard in the name of the hobby.
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Deleted member 17706
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Has Nvidia pricing the reference card at $100 above the supposed MSRP ever been the case?
I certainly hope this does just turn out to be a poorly thought-through attempt at price gouging on behalf of Nvidia, but we probably won't know for sure for a few more weeks.
holygeesus
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We have already had two videos/articles, where enthusiasts have applied custom cooling to these cards and both drastically improved cooling and benchmarked the hell out of them.
The EVGA AIO cooler was featured yesterday, and (I think) a German site applied a Arctic Accelerro to their card and overclocked it significantly. There is no magic to it.
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Deleted member 17706
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The question is how much a retail product with such a cooling solution would be sold for, not whether or not said cooling solutions are possible.
yeah, PCGH did it. Raffael Vötter also used that Accelero on the Titan X. So did I after his article. Worth it.
holygeesus
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You said
The cost aspect is the only thing we don't know. That there will be better performing cards is not even debatable. I guess it depends on whether you are willing to pay out a lot of money for a card that will be eclipsed in a months time, for a little more outlay.
I used the same cooler on my 970. A great piece of kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myDYnofz_JE
Analysis by AdoredTV:
Analysis by AdoredTV:
- 3% faster than GTX 980ti at 1430mhz
- 10% slower than Titan X at 1500 Mhz
- Much better than Fury X overclocked @ 1150 or so
- Founder's Edition throttles and wasn't benched in cases, rather open bench = different thermal environment
- Usual clock at stock power and temp target after 20 minutes of gaming is only the base clock...
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Deleted member 17706
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Did you read the whole post? I don't feel like I left a ton of room for misunderstanding, but apologies if it was confusing. The part you chose to quote was within the context of the price discussion...
And no one is debating that... You're the only one even bringing it up.
To reiterate, it is unclear what kind of card and performance we will be able to get at sub-$699. With that in mind, it's easy to see why some people would be satisfied with the performance/price ratio of the FE and decide to purchase it rather than wait and see for what may come down the road.
holygeesus
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I really have no interest in arguing over it, but your 'or' in your original comment, implied different. There was no misunderstanding on my part. The cards with custom coolers will perform better than these FE cards.
This video speaks a lot of truth.
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Deleted member 17706
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No shit there will be many better performing options with custom cooler solutions. But will they be available at a cheaper price point than the FE? Seems like Nvidia made a dumb business decision if so!
This video has officially made me decide to wait
Blowers simply a better option for some people.
The only thing I can think of when I hear that accent is the mines of Moria
1080 FE, you shant pass
That's a good point. With the Founder's Edition card already throttling on an open bench the situation is going to be even worse in a closed case.
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Deleted member 17706
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Really depends on the case and its air flow situation.
holygeesus
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Usually I would agree with you, only in so much that you are guaranteed compatibility for water-cooling and other air coolers you might want to apply yourself, but that is a relatively niche market, and you would still be better off waiting for the true reference card, and saving yourself $100 surely?
Otherwise, I can see no reason for a blower being a better option and certainly not one I'd pay extra for.
It's a good option for shitty/small cases with bad airflow..
Man what the fuck, I need to buy a new card to play Blood and Wine 1440p@60fps, fucking Nvidia.
The FE is the reference card. There isn't another reference card coming out that's cheaper.
Are you planning to downclock the card or what?
If you're talking about the Reference card design and price fuckery, I'm all with you but I'm not disappointed with the performance the card delivers at all.
digitalrelic
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Hopefully people read this and come back down to earth a bit... The amount of users that I've read that have ALREADY sold their 980 Ti's is staggering. What a waste of money (IMO of course).
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Deleted member 17706
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980ti won't already do that?
Last_colossi
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Wow, the 1080 is even faster than I thought.
So the 1080 at stock speeds is faster than a severely overclocked 980ti that would need to be water cooled & only 10% slower in the worst case scenario than a more expensive, insanely overclocked Titan X which requires a 3rd party cooler and a bios mod to even function.(http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-x-coupled-arctic-accelero-xtreme-iv-bios-mod-pushes-1550-mhz-air-cooling/)
And this doesn't even factor in that you need to win the silicon lottery to achieve those overclocks on the 980ti & Titan X in the first place.
Yeah, the price, design, the whole fucking situation, if I knew they would not fuck up Maxwell after Pascal launch I would have bought a heavily OC'd 980ti.
holygeesus
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The $599 card is still coming out isn't it? I thought the $700 was identical to the $599 one, only you get it on release? I know it is the same card, you are just paying extra to have it day one.
What??
1430 Mhz on an 980 Ti isn't an insane overclock, most people can hit around 1400. It's 1500 where things get more dicey.
I run 1450 on my EVGA ACX card and temps hover around 75 C only. My ambient temp here is fairly high as I live in Arizona too.
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Deleted member 17706
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It's like you don't care about actual performance, but only performance relative to the base model in the series.
Worst case scenario 1080 is still better than a best case scenario 980 Ti.
Sutton Dagger
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With the ripoff editions being sold out in minutes I guess Nvidia has their answer about how far they could inflate their pricing going forward. They will be kicking themselves they didnt add the full $100 rip off tax to the 1070 too.
digitalrelic
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What? My air-cooled 980 Ti runs @1470mhz all day.
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Deleted member 17706
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There is no $599 card confirmed. Period. Nvidia will not release a cheaper reference card at the MSRP. No partner has confirmed a $599 card yet as far as I know. It's totally up in the air at this point.
Hawk269
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[edit] I just watched the video, this guy does not even have a 1080, he is just using other people benchmarks to make a video and make his analysis. I would not take too much stock in what this guys says personally.
I have not watched the video, but what did they have the fan set at? If they did not set up a custom fan profile, it could be the reason it is throttling. I know this happened with my Titan X when testing it before I put a water block on it, but using a custom fan profile I was able to prevent the throttling. It did create more noise of course, but while in the case it was not that bad.
That still can change, due to... uhh, last minute, unforeseen problems NVIDIA experienced.
Also, if the cards keep selling, do expect 1160 to cost $600, 1170 $800 and 1180 $1200.
Last_colossi
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And your using a non-reference 980 Ti.
Those benchmarks are comparing the 1080 with it's reference "Founders edition" cooler to cards with non-reference coolers, which is a ridiculous comparison to begin with but the fact that the 1080 is still 3% faster is impressive for a card replacing the 980.
I don't care if the 980ti is below in power than a 1080, I could buy a 980ti and be happy BUT they will optimize their drivers for Pascal and leave Maxwell to fuck themselves.
What I want to avoid is the 960 beating a 780ti situation, I guess I'll just wait for Gigabyte to sell their 1080.
holygeesus
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Is that base speed or boost?
So their own 1080 presentation is already out of date then? They have back-tracked on the slide seen here at the reveal?
http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTQ2MjgwMzAyNkdRYlFCNTFsanRfMV8xX2wuanBn
Pretty ok, since it has less cuda cores then both.
But sure it is obvious that nvidia can release a ti version when they feel the need to do so. We already know that gtx1080 is not a full pascal chip, so there is room for improvement and the release of a 1080ti/titan version, but AMD has given them no reason to do anything like that yet.
Gddr5X RAM also exist in higher bandwidth versions.
But its price performance and all that, and in the end it is hard to beat the 1080 price/performance ratio for a highend card at the moment.
no, it is ridiculous that the founders edition can't keep their advertised boosted clock cool and is forced to throttle
No. I'm sure nvidia will eventually have a price drop to $599 for the reference card, but it remains to be seen how long that will be. I don't see why the AIBs would charge less than $699 using better pcbs, power delivery, and cooling. They will charge $699+ for as long as nvidia is asking $699.
?? Why do you think it's called boost clock
At $699, no, it isn't impressive. A 980 ti is a better buy right now.
In my HTPC, the tiny little PSU fan will wind up running like a jet engine if I stick a non-blower in there. I've already been there and done that. It's the same with my kids' PC and one of those will be the eventual home of whatever I buy now. Sure, the immediate need might be slightly better satisfied by a custom, but I'm doing 1440 so not needing to juice every ounce out of a card.
I mean sure I could have better cooled cases for every room, but sleek is king in the living or family rooms. Regardless, it's also a reason I stick to the lower power silicon revisions and often use SLI, though I think that will no longer be needed for 3440x1440.
And I'm doubting we see a better blower or cheaper reference card.
It's not a ridiculous comparison considering the premium cost of the FE +$100 is actually more than what most non-reference cards usually cost.
If the FE card came out at MSRP, $599, I bet people would have far less complaints with it.
SneakyStephan
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I'm sorry but your post is pure FUD
Nvidia have managed to create a cooler that fails to cool a 180W gpu with a single 8 pin connector sufficiently, that is mindblowing. (mindblowingly bad)
Aftermarket coolers have MUCH better cooling performance (and at much lower noise)
You can already buy cards from sapphire/msi etc that manage to keep an r9 390 cool and quiet (a card without twice the peak power draw of the gtx 1080). A 180wTDP /225w peak gpu is child's play for msi/asus/evga's custom air coolers.
Seriously your suggestion is so out there it's not even funny
The blower nvidia have put on their 'founders edition' is shit, which makes the price gouging they're doing with it all the more insulting.
Unknown Soldier
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The rational and intelligent consumer always acts in their own self interest. If the Nvidia product is better, the consumer can't be blamed for buying it. If AMD wants to actually get sales, they need to make the better product. Equivalent or almost as good won't be enough. Only better will steal market share from Nvidia.