Multiple characters helped fight Vegeta, Freeza and Buu though.
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Multiple characters helped fight Vegeta, Freeza and Buu though.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Pretty sure the only time Goku fought someone by himself and beat them on their first encounter is Piccolo jr. And that was part of a tournament so there were other fights going on
ArchedThunder
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Vegeta also got the final fight against Golden Freeza, it might not have necessarily been the "main fight", but it was certainly a lot more entertaining than Goku VS Freeza in both the Movie and the Super version.
Goku is usually a big part of the end of an arc because he's the main character.
Ultra Numb
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Multiple characters help but Goku got the most focus and fight scenes against Vegeta and Freeza. And SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Buu was the endgame fight.
Obviously he's the main character and he's going to get the most to do by default but I feel like its too much. Feels like AT or whoever writes the show now relies on Goku way too much. It's even worse when you consider all the times where Goku saves the day against side-opponents too.
Even Vegeta can't catch a break... copy vegeta? lol
Host Samurai
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I wonder if Future Trunks entire Universe 7 is completely destroyed and just hopped back in time in the last second to survive.
Shit like that makes Future Trunks just such a bad ass. No matter how current Trunks grows up, he will never be as bad ass as F Trunks. People seem to gravitate more towards more tragic characters with depth.
Shit like that makes Future Trunks just such a bad ass. No matter how current Trunks grows up, he will never be as bad ass as F Trunks. People seem to gravitate more towards more tragic characters with depth.
ArchedThunder
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Who knows, either way it should be pretty dire since he was described as barely making it out alive.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Should be grateful he even gets that tbh
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Part of Future Trunks' appeal is that he made a less tragic, happier version of himself possible. That's what he set out to do and he did it.
We've never seen Present Trunks do anything important when he's a teenager outside of GT, either, so he could still grow up to be cool. Not in the same way, maybe, but still cool.
If you go back and watch the original anime version of Z - filler and everything - I don't think that's necessarily true. There's a lot of time where Goku is out of the picture completely only to come in at later moments - and he doesn't always win.
For example, in the Saiyan arc he was dead for around 25 episodes and Goku vs. Vegeta lasted around 3 episodes before Goku's body was shattered and he got help from Gohan and Krillin.
That's just one example. The same thing happened in the Namek arc for a good majority of it.
Blackleg-sanji1
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It be nice to just straight up get a enies lobby style dbz arc. For those that don't kno one piece. In enies lobby almost all the strawhats got a fight with some of them even switching opponents because of bad matchups and at the same time luffy was still able to shine by taking out the leader of the group.
It was straight up 6 vs 6 with another being captured and the last one being apart of a fight and than breaking off and doing something badass.
I was hoping the tournament would have created that opportunity to let the others fight. So hopefully something like that happens,
It was straight up 6 vs 6 with another being captured and the last one being apart of a fight and than breaking off and doing something badass.
I was hoping the tournament would have created that opportunity to let the others fight. So hopefully something like that happens,
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
https://twitter.com/dbgame_official/status/734641820395786240
I think I had a notebook that was in this style
NeonZ
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I don't think he forgot the mystic power up completely, he just didn't remember some specific details, like design decisions. Goku in Battle of Gods, before getting the God power up stuff, was said to be weaker than Freeza in base, but base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo in RoF (noted in Toriyama's script for the movie and in Super we see base Gohan sending Tagoma flying while Piccolo couldn't make him flinch, and afterwards Gohan kept getting up against Ginyu while Piccolo was out quickly). The only way base Gohan > Piccolo makes sense is if he still had at least part of the Ultimate power up, in spite of being somewhat weakened.
KidA Seven
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ZeroTheShadow
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So Super Saiyan God is stronger than Super Saiyan Blue right? Just watched the 2 movies and watched the fight against Hit. If SSJB x10 is "almost as strong as Berus" it must mean SSJG by itself is at least 7x stronger than SSJB because it allowed Goku to fight evenly with 70% Berus.
Don't think too hard about the numbers. Blue is said to be stronger than the red one, but Beerus is still stronger than both.
To be fair though, the whole Super Saiyan God thing was poorly explained.
Beerus is stronger in the series and I don't think he says the 70% thing in the series.
ZeroTheShadow
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How is it suppose to be stronger? It is never once stated in Resurrection F that SSJB is stronger than SSJG. I just watched it. All that is said is SSJB is a way for you to tap into some God Ki withot the help of others.
The Silver
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It's not in the movie, in Super they say the blue form is stronger.
ZeroTheShadow
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Episode?
IIRC SSB is SSG while SSJ, so it is stronger.
Gotta love them acronyms.
ZeroTheShadow
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Definitely isn't that. You can't go SSJG without the ritual.
Nope, it's turning SSJ while in God form. I believe Goku explains it to Freeza in one of the RoF episodes.
The Silver
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i don't know I don't pay attention to episode numbers, go watch the BoTG and RoF arcs in Super, they say the Blue form surpasses SSG when he's fighting Frieza.
In the BOTG arc they make it very clear that Goku didn't lose any power when he lost the red form fighting Beerus, he doesn't have god ki but his normal super saiyan form is as strong as SSG. Super Saiyan Blue is an additonal powerup over that where he taps into god ki which makes him even stronger.
And like was said before Beerus never says that 70% thing in the show, Whis later illustrates the gap between Goku/Vegeta and Beerus by saying they're a small tiny tree compared to Beerus's gigantic tower.(don't remember if it was in the movies but in the show Beerus lives in a huge tower)
BladeoftheImmortal
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Ssblue is strongest there is. Goku smash!
Dagobert Duck
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Power level talk again...the circle continues 
I wonder if Beerus got some special abilities...we dont know a lot about him. We know Whis can go back in time and has some weird other stuff...but Beerus, he is just a very very strong cat as it looks like
I wonder if Beerus got some special abilities...we dont know a lot about him. We know Whis can go back in time and has some weird other stuff...but Beerus, he is just a very very strong cat as it looks like
Power level talk again...the circle continues
I wonder if Beerus got some special abilities...we dont know a lot about him. We know Whis can go back in time and has some weird other stuff...but Beerus, he is just a very very strong cat as it looks like
He's good at football
Dagobert Duck
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ArtHands
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You are totally wrong there
SSJ state by normal ki = normal SSJ
SSJ state by god ki = SSB
SSG is basically having both god and normal ki in the body.
Lol what ?
Base Goku was stronger than frieza.
Beerus said that because he didn't know Goku could elevate his power level at will.
That's the way earthlings fight. They are weak as hell unless they decide to be serious not to waste energy.
I don't see how I'm wrong?
What I'm basically saying is SSB is stacking the god state (SSG) with SSJ, which is the same as you are saying with SSJ state by god ki = SSB.
Also, I'm not so sure about it ever been mentioned that "SSG is basically having both god and normal ki in the body."
I was under the impression SSG just has god ki. (Might have just missed this being mentioned somewhere though)
Goku and Vegeta have yet to show ANYTHING that is god like though, in SSB.
Super's version of the SSG was great because it granted Goku a new set of abilities. That entirely disappeared as soon as he lost the form.
No matter how they classify it, SSB is nothing more than a power up. That wasn't the case for Super's SSG.
Super's version of the SSG was great because it granted Goku a new set of abilities. That entirely disappeared as soon as he lost the form.
No matter how they classify it, SSB is nothing more than a power up. That wasn't the case for Super's SSG.
It definitely is that.
Goku's base form is SSG level now. He has 2 ki's. One is his normal one which makes him SSJ which is considerably stronger than his base SSG form. And then there's his SSB form which taps into his God ki and is far stronger than his base and his SSJ form.
Ultra Numb
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SSG [the red form] is essentially Goku and Vegeta's new base form. The whole godly white aura is that red form - it's just been honed and improved. That's why Goku and Vegeta are so ridiculously powerful even in their base. It's just base form with God Ki, its changed appearance because Whis has been training them to surpass their previous God Level in their base forms with the main principal being Ki control.
SSGSS [the blue form] is that controlled God Ki enhanced base form with the Super Saiyan transformation stacked on top. It's essentially God Ki + SSJ
I'm not sure why SSGSS doesn't appear as powerful as SSG in terms of feats... however, Dragon Ball has always been inconsistent like that.
SSGSS [the blue form] is that controlled God Ki enhanced base form with the Super Saiyan transformation stacked on top. It's essentially God Ki + SSJ
I'm not sure why SSGSS doesn't appear as powerful as SSG in terms of feats... however, Dragon Ball has always been inconsistent like that.
ArchedThunder
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No it isn't, their Super Saiyan form is what is equivalent to God.
No, he just says it's Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God, he never said anything about turning God and SSJ at the same time. Blue is taping into God Ki with Super Saiyan.
donkey show
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It's episode 25 in the beginning summary. The narrator mentions that bit.
I guess it's open to interpretation, but this sounds like exactly the same thing man.
SSJG Goku had regenerative abilities on top of immense power and God Ki. As far as it has been shown SSJB does not have regenerative abilities. SSJB is SSJ + God Ki, while SSJG is it's own thing.
I think we need to all wait and see what Akira Toriyama does to actually explain this ssjb and ssg shit. Right now, it just sounds like a clusterfuck of misinformation because there isn't enough documentation.
Im going to call up my homie Toriyama and ask him a lil later for you guys.
Ultra Numb
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The red form is an untrained early version of this.
The above is the result of achieving the power of a god and then further training themselves to be able to fully utilize that power to an even greater level in their base form. Or in this case, Whis trained them. It's basically a godly empowered base form.
Just watched the latest episode and it was just really poor.
Trunks and Goten fighting was extremely lacklustre and it just isn't believable that Vegeta would get tricked like that. Even when Trunks and Goten were tied up, they tried to justify why they didn't free themselves and finish the enemies but it made no real sense.
Hopefully the next episode will be a lot better but this is probably an example of bad "filler". Characters don't behave as you expect them to because it's in between actual arcs.
Trunks and Goten fighting was extremely lacklustre and it just isn't believable that Vegeta would get tricked like that. Even when Trunks and Goten were tied up, they tried to justify why they didn't free themselves and finish the enemies but it made no real sense.
Hopefully the next episode will be a lot better but this is probably an example of bad "filler". Characters don't behave as you expect them to because it's in between actual arcs.
shadowsdarknes
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Yeah pretty much what I thought, too.
After Goku's SSJ God form wears off, he immediately defaults down to regular SSJ. Goku is still able to spar with Beerus. If he powered down to base, I doubt Beerus would find much of a challenge.
It's disappointing because the previous two "filler" episodes were actually well done. This just seems like a poor rehash of Buu absorbing everyone.
ArchedThunder
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The red form is an untrained early version of this.
The above is the result of achieving the power of a god and then further training themselves to be able to fully utilize that power to an even greater level in their base form. Or in this case, Whis trained them. It's basically a godly empowered base form.
No, It's Super Saiyan that has the same level of power as God, that is made clear in the BoG arc when Goku drops into his Super Saiyan form. Their base forms are a lot stronger now, but they are not as strong as God.
And if you're talking about the aura being white, almost everyone has a white aura.
The episode is pretty lame story wise, but the cut of Goten and Trunks fight was actually really well done.
Also Vegeta wasn't tricked, he jumped in and fought the dudes off, he had no way of knowing that they were liquid men that could absorb his power, he got jumped from behind by the water. By the time he realized something was up the water was already on him, I don't really see what's unbelievable about that.
CoffeeJanitor
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They really havent been consistent at all with the ssg, ss, base form, nonsense
Their fighting was too short. Well animated sure but choreography and length of fighting was woefully poor.
It was obvious they were made from some liquid type substance. He should've been able to tell when fighting them. And it is just really unbelievable that Vegeta would be that unaware of his surroundings.
It is just a poor rehash of Buu's powers.
ArchedThunder
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There was nothing wrong with the choreography, and it makes sense for the fight to be short, they were weak-ass nothings.
When we see them going from liquid to solid you can tell that their appearance changes, so when they take the shape of someone they just look melty, not like liquid. You can see the difference twice in the episode, once when a guy Vegeta hits to the ground turns into liquid and again when the water turns into Copy Vegeta. With how Vegeta completely dominated each one with a single hit there wasn't really a reason to think he was in any danger, he beat them and thought he was done with them, and even if he wasn't sure he probably thought he could deal with them and there was no way for him to know that this was something that could steal his powers from him. Characters get blindsided all the time in Dragon Ball, and if the water didn't even have a ki signature and didn't make noise then there was definitely no way for him to know it was coming up behind him.
I wouldn't say it's a rehash of Buu, it's a similar type of character but it acts differently, Buu absorbed characters into him, gaining their power and altering his appearance to look a tiny bit like them, the Copy Water steals the power of others and takes their shape and voice. Definitely similar, but different enough for it to be it's own thing. The Copy Water could have been an interesting villain, but so far this mini arc is pretty poorly written so it's probably going to just end up being something entirely forgettable.
it's almost like they could have thrown some episodes between the BOG and ROF episodes to explain some of this shit
instead... nothing.
Tbh powering through those arcs was for the best
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