Yes. Anyone telling you Hillary or Bernie are a shoe-in is lying to you.
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Trump v. Bernie Debate
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whyamihere
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But that's the correct logic to use. Reagan was the will of the people. It was shitty, but the American voters did want him. You can protest him, you can fight for what you believe in, but he was the president.
I don't quite get what you're arguing?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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politics are akin to console wars in some threads here
This, some of the reactions here are really surprising me...
I take it you haven't been to the PoliGAF thread? There's pages of "Fuck Bernie" in there.
whyamihere
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FunkyMunkey
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except one is important and the other isn't
bashing people for being passionate about politics is hilarious. one of the more important facets of modern day humanity and the world
I don't even know if this debate will happen or not, but it's clear to me at this point that Sanders craves attention almost as much as Trump, which is really saying something. I really think he cares more about continuing this political rock star thing he has going than ...you know....stopping Trump from reaching the White House. Because a Bernie/Trump primetime debate only helps Trump in any practical way.
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The Autumn Wind
I love how the logic is "Well, Hillary should be able to win no matter how badly Bernie tries to sabotage her!"
Real good look, guys.
He's making it really easy.
Except one is actually important and will affect millions of lives.
Console wars never got close to being this vicious.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
seems like a perfect way for Trump to message directly and take some of Bernie's supporters.
whyamihere
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Because console wars don't actually affect the lives of millions of people and putting a fascist in power.
What I am saying is the will of the people may not always be the "right" one. So if Trump wins, should we just throw up our arms and say that's the will of the people and leave it at that? Its the same thing with Bernie supporters, even if Hillary has pretty much won the nomination at this point, they will fight tooth-and-nail to the bitter end, and they can (as you say) still fight for what they believe in.
googleplex
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Come on what? There is NOTHING for Bernie to "win" here. This debate won't be about spreading any message. All this will do is give two people a national stage to tag team The Democratic candidate that actually winning the most votes.
Are you seriously so enamored with Bernie that you can't take a step back and see that this guy has completely lost the plot?
excelsiorlef
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Yes that would be the reasoning and it would be factually correct, and it would be a major indictment of the state of racism in the US that a basically white nationalist got elected President, and a major indictment of the apathetic left for sitting on the sidelines and letting it happen.
The reality is the Democrats are the only sane party in the country, and the Democratic voters have chosen Clinton, that's the be all end all, there's no Sanders come back, he's not the will of the people, time to move on and stop Trump, and supporting this will not help that goal.
The difference is the GE is the end of the road, this is stage one, anyone interested in not having a racist idiot as President should maybe see the writing on the wall and stop whining about wanting Sanders and cheering him on every time he does something that can only help Trump.
Please remember that the person I replied to is so anti-Clinton that they are going to vote for the white nationalist over her.
Also Clinton is not Trump, there should be no dedicated movement from any centre or left of center people to even remotely consider not mobilizing for Clinton over the guy who retweets Neo-Nazis. The reality is Sanders lost fair and square and it's time for people to grow up and do what they can to stop Donald fucking Trump from becoming President and ruining the lives of minorities and women and putting the Supreme Court into a 30 year Conservative ironfist rule.
HUELEN10
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It's not a GAF thing, it's this way in general.
People are either too hyped, too annoyed, too afraid, too passionate, or too scared at this election.
Don't want Clinton? There are those who will call you a mysogonist.
Don't want Trump? Others will claim you are an Islamic sympathizer.
Don't want Bernie? Others will call you a racist simply if that vote isn't cast for Clinton.
You hear it on the news, in town, at the coffee shop, at school, at work, online, on the radio...
It's becoming maddening. I think we as a country need to take a step back.
The reason why people are turning on or regretting voting for Sanders is because this stuff he's pulling, he's not talking like he used to. He used to be laser focused on the most important issues. He so so unlike other politicians?
Now he's using random and bullshit attacks and complaining about delegates and primaries and talking about how everything is rigged. What made him special is gone. Dude, you benefited by far the most from the least democratic part of the process -- the caucuses. And I spend hours looking into every Nevada accusation and it was total bullshit.
Now he's using random and bullshit attacks and complaining about delegates and primaries and talking about how everything is rigged. What made him special is gone. Dude, you benefited by far the most from the least democratic part of the process -- the caucuses. And I spend hours looking into every Nevada accusation and it was total bullshit.
I really don't get why Democrats are supporting Hillary because assuming she's the nominee there is way too high of a chance of Trump winning. She has way too many flaws and there's continually new scandals coming up about the Clintons (Bill Clinton with the pedophile).
No it's Hilary supporters going crazy for having actual competition. Oh please drop out, oh please stop wanting debates etc etc It's been happening for months now. Don't act like it started since Bernie lost a realistic chance on the nomination.
I have never seen something like this before where people complain about another candidate having a debate. Like what.
Heavy_D206
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Maybe Bernie has a message he wants to spread and LOTS of people happen to agree with his views. If he gets a platform for a large audience to get impacted by his message then it's a good thing.
Ya know, just a thought.
SneakersSO
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I'll be voting independent in the GE, and I absolutely LOVE the idea of this debate. Cannot wait to see it live.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Saying that a presidential candidate, let alone Bernie fucking Sanders, is trying to fucking destroy the country is....
That's some fucking amazing logic.
Apparently we live in the universe of House of Cards.
HUELEN10
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I hope it CAN be viewed live.
User 463088
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Technically, the punishment is he's cut off from future Democratic debates. Since there are no more, not a big punishment. However, if he actually tries to go through with something as asinine as this, then I can definitely see him losing his potential for chairmanships. If we take back the Senate, he'd be the ranking member on the Budget Committee. Something he definitely wants. If he won't play nice, well....maybe he doesn't have that anymore. The DSCC could also refuse to help fund his reelection campaign if he really wants to be a stinker, or run an actual Democrat against him next time.
And drag queens. Don't forget the drag queens. But that's mainly me.
whyamihere
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But that still doesn't take away from the fact that in a democracy, there are winners and losers, and the winners have the powers that they are constitutional ascribed to have. You can protest, you can find ways to dilute that power through legal means, but they still have that power.
If Trump wins the presidency, he will have gotten more electoral votes than Hillary and will be the will of the American people. That's scary! But also, that's how elections work. It doesn't mean give up, but it also means he's the president. Protest! Sue! Work with congress to dilute his power! But yeah, he'd be the president.
Just like Hillary is the presumptive nominee.
When was the last time a losing candidate tried to debate a presumptive nominee from the other party?
because the entire time he has been campaigning for the primary he never had that
I really hope Trump wins the presidency. After all the racist, mysoginistic, chauvinistic, ignorant statement, fear and hate mongering he has done over the past year, polls show that half the people are willing to vote for him.
It is shameful that the poll number is even in double digits, let alone 40-50%.
It is baffling to me, as an outsider looking in, that people are willing to choose hate and fear over free healthcare and college.
I really hope that Trump wins, he will be the president America truly deserves.
It is shameful that the poll number is even in double digits, let alone 40-50%.
It is baffling to me, as an outsider looking in, that people are willing to choose hate and fear over free healthcare and college.
I really hope that Trump wins, he will be the president America truly deserves.
Sucks for all decent, intelligent, loving, caring, honest Americans. It sucks when you are in a minority.
I sympathize with you, because I know the exact same feeling, being in a very similar situation
I sympathize with you, because I know the exact same feeling, being in a very similar situation
excelsiorlef
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And that's why Mitt Romney is running for re-election.... oh wait.
SneakersSO
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I mean, if both of the parties have agreed, I can't imagine a network won't put this show on live for everyone to see. I'm gonna actually make a viewing party out of this.
I'm a Bernie supporter at heart, and am absolutely loving how much discord he is sowing in this party.
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The Autumn Wind
What competition? Bernie lost. I don't know what alternate universe you're from, but in this reality, that's a fact.
Is there any aspect of this that helps the causes Bernie supports more than Bernie Sanders himself? You are talking about a bunch of weird baggage I don't care about. I used to support Sanders. Now he is talking about boosting for Trump which will damage the things I believe in. Things he claimed to believe in. It's not complicated.
Trump is playing games and we're sitting here acting like playing into them does what exactly?
VendettaRed07
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Ship has sailed, honestly.
HUELEN10
Member
It's truly not over until it's over. DNC's not too far off.
Again, false. None of Trump's conspiracies are new scandals. They're all old 90's conspiracies and witch hunts that were dismissed then and are still garbage now. And Hillary's chance of beating Trump is as high as Bernie's, if not higher. (This is the part where you quote those GE polls full of confounding variables)
Heavy_D206
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Are you saying the coverage has been fair and not skewed toward Hillary at all? Fantasy Land must be nice.
I'll save this post for next week.
Yes the cause called public debate on social and economic issues.
SolicitorPirate
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America, how did you get to the point where these two clowns have a voice in national politics? I don't know about you, but I really don't want the most powerful country on earth run by an idiot again
Yep, Hill will beat trump.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I think that's missing the point. When one has an opportunity to make money, one takes it. That opportunity is lost if they ignore it and donate the money. There is no value generated. Just money transferred.
Isn't the punishment for an unsanctioned debate that you can't participate in future debates? If Hillary ain't gonna debate, the punishment is moot.
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The Autumn Wind
Shit like this is why I've stopped giving Bernie supporters the time of day. "Hur hur, go Bernie! Show those Democrats for rejecting you!"
Apparently, President Trump is what you people want.
you're right. i guess the millions of votes he has isn't indicative that he got his message out to a large audience. clearly there are just millions of other voters out there who are just chomping at the bit for him to sweep them off their feet with his responses during this debate.
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