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Trump v. Bernie Debate

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Alucrid said:
No one is concerned about the email scandal except the people that want her to be arrested for it
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Continue to live in the bubble and sweep "BENGAZI!" and the email scandal under the rug while Clinton continues to have historically low unfavorables among the public.

I know it's hard to believe but outside of partisan democrats, nobody likes or trusts her. Maybe if her handlers didn't go on national television and joke about the issue and sweep under the rug actual independents wouldn't be so turned off by her in the first place.
 
EskimoJoe said:
Right, but the general election didn't happen then. It happens in November. And there will be two options then. And Hillary Clinton, warts and all, is infinitely better than Donald Trump.
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Why did Hillary even get to this point? Why did the DNC even get behind a lame duck candidate with SO MUCH baggage? You honestly think she can win?
 
EskimoJoe said:
Right, but the general election didn't happen then. It happens in November. And there will be two options then. And Hillary Clinton, warts and all, is infinitely better than Donald Trump.
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More importantly, it isn't enough that she's just better for the next four years. The next president is going to get to put up their own offering for the SC seat. You give that to a conservative judge and we are fucked for potentially decades. That is the real battle of this election. It matters more than who is going to be the president.
 
Glorified G said:
Continue to live in the bubble and sweep "BENGAZI!" and the email scandal under the rug while Clinton continues to have historically low unfavorables among the public.

I know it's hard to believe but outside of partisan democrats, nobody likes or trusts her. Maybe if her handlers didn't go on national television and joke about the issue and sweep under the rug actual independents wouldn't be so turned off by her in the first place.
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I don't know of a single independent that would vote for her over Bernie or Trump.
 
TI82 said:
Why did Hillary even get to this point? Why did the DNC even get behind a lame duck candidate with SO MUCH baggage? You honestly think she can win?
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Uh... She has an extremely successful political career, was a first lady, is very committed to DNC, and ran a very competent campaign?
 
I would argue that most of the vocal Hillary supporters heavily align themselves to the Democratic party and want the party to improve and understand that they will support the nominee.

I would also argue that most of the vocal Bernie supporters heavily align themselves to Bernie and would only want the Democratic party to improve by being broken down and rebuilt.

I do not have time to lose human rights for a party to rebirth itself.
 
TI82 said:
Why did Hillary even get to this point? Why did the DNC even get behind a lame duck candidate with SO MUCH baggage? You honestly think she can win?
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She got to this point by being eligible to run and receiving more votes than her competitors.
The DNC got behind her because she won and hasn't done anything to be disqualified from running yet.
I do think she can win.
 
Theres only one man that can save us from Hillary

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and end up getting Trump elected
 
Netherscourge said:
You know what will happen?

Both Trump and Sanders will spend the whole time trashing Hillary.

And Trump's cronies will be drinking beers with Bernie's Bros.... they will come together, join forces, an unholy union of anti-establishment hatred.
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We can only hope this happens. A true balance of the psychotic. A truce that will be talked about for decades to come.
 
HillaryGAF out in full regalia today I see. Some really hateful stuff being thrown around about Bernie and his supporters. I thought you guys were supposed to be the moderate ones?
 
the_lizard said:
HillaryGAF out in full regalia today I see. Some really hateful stuff being thrown around about Bernie and his supporters. I thought you guys were supposed to be the moderate ones?
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no, hillary is the right wing conservative candidate hiding under the guise of a democrat. you need to get your rhetoric straight.
 
Super_Cobra said:
Jesus. GAF has a lot of Hillary supporters.
Honestly I would rather vote for trump than for Hillary. Bernie was my 1st choice but looks like I won't be voting at all. Shame because it was going to be my first time voting.
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Sanders supporter confirmed, will go back to complaining about how there's no good options of people to vote for. Never takes the time to vote in local/state elections, which is what will produce your good options.
 
dramatis said:
I dunno. I see a lot more "lol HillGAF" and "why so serious" posts from Sanders and Trump supporters, as opposed to serious considerations of consequences, discussion about possible outcomes, and political strategy—items which are offered by PoliGAF.

From a logical standpoint, Sanders is worse than Cruz or Rubio. Those men folded when they looked at the math of reality and realized they couldn't succeed. Strategically they assisted their party and their cause by withdrawing from the race. They gave Donald Trump time to build and iterate his strategy and resources.

In this election, Sanders is dead weight. He's not contributing to the progressive cause anymore. He's wasting the party's and Hillary's resources. He won't admit he's lost, which means he has an even bigger ego problem than Cruz and Rubio. And his erratic behavior can possibly assist the opponent.

Sanders supporters won't admit that Sanders is a sore loser flailing about for nothing either. All they are doing is sniping at Hillary in their bitterness because she is winning legitimately and the majority is actually choosing her. It's ironic that not a single thread can go without them sneering about "HillGAF", but they can't stand being called Berniebros.
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It's important to point out this will go nowhere the only people who truly care about party unity are established dems. Bernie dems don't care, Republicans don't care, Independents don't care. If you're trying to berate them on it, their response will be "so fucking what?" Party unity is not pre-req for Trump not winning either, ultimately that will be a test of how Hillary navigates the terrain not about Bernie's rabble rousing.
 
Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Literally zero Clinton supporters would prefer Trump, if that's what you're actually asking.
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Actually an article came out in January or February stating 9% off democrats will vote trump.

Then a few months later vox points out like 12% of Sanders supporters will vote trump.

The skew simply isn't large enough because there are more Clinton supporters than Sanders.


These articles combined mean there definitely exists a faction of Hillary supporters that could vote trump if Clinton lost.
 
TI82 said:
How can people claim Hillary is a candidate for minorities when she ran such a nasty campaign against Obama on the basis of his minority status?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html

Or the whole CP time crap she got herself into because the people she works with? Again, a lack of judgment.
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I can't really speak for minorities myself, but to reiterate my point at large, there are two options, and she is better than the other one.
 
TI82 said:
How can people claim Hillary is a candidate for minorities when she ran such a nasty campaign against Obama on the basis of his minority status?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html

Or the whole CP time crap she got herself into because the people she works with? Again, a lack of judgment.
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Well considering she overwhelmingly won the minority vote, they seem to like what she is selling. I think thats more than enough proof.
 
marrec said:
I'm a registered independent (with a voting history of actually being independent) and I'd vote for her over Bernie and Trump easily.

IN YOUR FACE BOI!
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I don't know of a single true independent that would vote for her over Bernie or Trump.
 
Kyzer said:
Couldn't you apply that to almost any president that doesnt also preside during a majority rule by the same party?

Im already camp hillary but just saying, couldnt you say that someone shouldnt support a potential president obama because he wouldnt have the other branches to back up his visions?
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With Congress in GOP hands, I'd want Obama if only to keep the GOP from:
A) rolling-back previous victories (which were hard-fought and would be difficult to re-pass through Congress); and,
B) poisoning the well for the future

Oemenia asks above who I'd rather have for President, and my answer is without hesitation Bernie over Trump. Even if he presided over gridlock for four years, I'd want the Democrat.

With a Trump win and GOP control, he'd replace Scalia, have a shot at replacing Kennedy (who turns 80 this summer), and then who knows what'd happen with Ginsburg (currently 83).

At best, we would end his first term with a young 5-4 conservative court. At worst, 6-3.

With a Bernie win, he might not move the ball forward much, but he'd prevent losses while also keeping his movement alive for the next cycle. As more and more millennials begin to participate in the process, their voices are going to come to dominate the Democratic Party. They will break-through and get their candidate, and their President will have achievements - achievements that will be challenged in court. Between 2017-2021, we're likely looking at a House GOP and the Senate flipping back-and-forth, giving the Democrat a two-year Senate majority window to pack the courts.

I want Bernie's vision to remain alive for when we nominate someone like him in the 2020s (time will fly), and I wish more folks would realize that this November is about more than just the next four years.
 
The Albatross said:
Sanders supporter confirmed, will go back to complaining about how there's no good options of people to vote for. Never takes the time to vote in local/state elections, which is what will produce your good options.
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Says who? I voted for local politicians and for sheriff in my county.
 
If Hilary's email server is a deal breaker for you when the other option is campaigning on banning an entire religion from entering the US, forcefully deporting 11 million people and threatening trade wars with China then I don't really know what to say to you.
 
TI82 said:
How can people claim Hillary is a candidate for minorities when she ran such a nasty campaign against Obama on the basis of his minority status?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html

Or the whole CP time crap she got herself into because the people she works with? Again, a lack of judgment. Again showcasing why 57% of the US doesn't trust her. She will do anything to get a vote, even lying on her own morals.
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I don't know... maybe it's because she spent time actually meeting with minority leaders and showing them action plans that would actually succeed. Maybe because she got the endorsement of minority leaders.

Super_Cobra said:
Says who? I voted for local politicians and for sheriff in my county.
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But you said it was going to be your first time voting...
 
wildfire said:
Actually an article came out in January or February stating 9% off democrats will vote trump.

Then a few months later vox points out like 12% of Sanders supporters will vote trump.

The skew simply isn't large enough because there are more Clinton supporters than Sanders.


These articles combined mean there definitely exists a faction of Hillary supporters that could vote trump if Clinton lost.
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Even more perplexing are the Sanders supporters who would vote Trump even if Sanders was in the driver's seat. I can only assume they're the wacky WV type of dems who never vote D anyway, Repubs who swapped to D to vote Sanders in primaries. At least that's the only reasonable thing I can assume because otherwise it just sounds like Sanders voters throwing darts on a wall for their selection.

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TI82 said:
Why did Hillary even get to this point? Why did the DNC even get behind a lame duck candidate with SO MUCH baggage? You honestly think she can win?
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Why, exactly, is it so hard for you to understand that Hillary Clinton got to this point because voters backed her, not the DNC?
 
Generalpsyduck said:
Because of Bill
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So you are saying that they are only voting for her because of Bill and no nothing about her policies and views?

TI82 said:
Should have gone with the candidate that actually has history of fighting for civil rights. Mistake on their part
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"You should all vote for me, I walked with MLK that time and then fucked off to Vermont, the whitest state in the union with one of highest black incarceration rates in the country. I am totally a civil rights hero"
 
Sirpopopop said:
I don't know... maybe it's because she spent time actually meeting with minority leaders and showing them action plans that would actually succeed. Maybe because she got the endorsement of minority leaders.
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Should have gone with the candidate that actually has history of fighting for civil rights. Mistake on their part
 
eBay Huckster said:
A third term of Obama given that I already happily volunteered for him twice.

But I'd settle for Bernie.
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I agree.. anyone is better than Trump and while Hillary has some of the greatest experience imaginable, I would have settled for Bernie too. I would have thought that Trump's list of potential Supreme Court nominees (the ones that are against gay marriage and Roe v Wade) would have made people change their minds. I guess some people just truly don't care about anyone but themselves.
 
wildfire said:
Actually an article came out in January or February stating 9% off democrats will vote trump.

Then a few months later vox points out like 12% of Sanders supporters will vote trump.

The skew simply isn't large enough because there are more Clinton supporters than Sanders.


These articles combined mean there definitely exists a faction of Hillary supporters that could vote trump if Clinton lost.
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Were Clinton supporters specifically polled in that article? Democrats that aren't Sanders supporters aren't necessarily Clinton supporters.
 
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