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[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse

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Jesus fuck Jubilee did absolutely nothing

What the fuck goddammit?
Just got back and thought the same thing. Fell asleep twice and felt the fight between Quicksilver and Apocalypse was incredibly lame.

The movie felt like it was dragging on and on and I just wanted it to be over. During Jean's nightmare sequence, I was thinking "no, they wouldn't do the Phoenix force again, would they? Oh, they clarified it was really Apocalypse's awakening that caused it." So when Charles was all, "I need your help, Jean." I was so conflicted. The comic book fan in me was all FUCK YEAH. I mean, how else are they going to take him down? But at the same time, I felt like it wasn't setup properly nor earned.

No doubt, there are some great shots that are definitely visually satisfying (Fassbinder really knows how to make the most of his physical gesturing), but Sansa's forehead finger, as picky as that sounds, was so awkward for me.

Jennifer Lawrence comes off a bit better this time around but she still feels like she's not really there. Towards the end I felt her performance was more solid. I get the feeling she wants to be subtle and nuanced but I don't think there's enough time to build upon that.


Anyhow, like Jean says in the movie - if we're starting from First Class - the third one is definitely the worst.

The opening sequence was easily my favorite visual.
 
Did Havok died? There was no body right? And I can't believe they killed Angel and then had a character say over his dead body "what an useless sh*t" basically. >:(

At least Quicksilver is a X-Man now I guess.
 
What did Apocalypse mean when he said "all is revealed" before he died? Was he talking about the Phoenix?
Yes, that's what I understood. He's all about "the strongest"; now he acknowledges someone more powerful than him.

So was Apocalypse actually brain washing the Horsemen or was he just persuasive? The movie wasn't very clear.
Persuasive. Other than Magneto this was underdeveloped, but they're all meant to be basically cult members. Storm really needed more development, since her arc is meant to be a disillusioned youth who gets taken in and then realizes her mistake.

The movie didn't really clarify that, or even clarify why he needed Horsemen.
I would say the opening sequence (and the climax) establishes that -- he needs elite bodyguards for when he changes bodies, if nothing else. Beyond that, the guy thinks he's a god; a god needs worshippers, and they're his most high-profile ones.
 
I would say the opening sequence (and the climax) establishes that -- he needs elite bodyguards for when he changes bodies, if nothing else.

They kinda established it, but they also sorta established that his followers are untrustworthy shits who will try to kill him. Which kinda pays off via his trying to use Charles' body for his own purposes without gathering any of his horsemen to him. But then again, if he's just gonna try to bodyswitch solo, why even have horsemen in the first place since it's made very clear via his powerset he doesn't need them to do what he wants to do.
 
You know what, I actually enjoyed it a lot. Maybe because I kept my expectations low but I came away entertained. Kinda surprised with all the negative reviews in fact.

Fassbender and McAvoy give 110% in their roles. Lawrence on the other hand sleep walks through pivotal speeches and scenes which reduces the overall quality of the movie.

Also movie was pretty savage for PG 13. Lots of impales, bodies crushed, heads sliced off, flesh burnt etc. They were pushing the rating to the limit in this one, way more than even BvS.


Dat Wolverine cameo...*whew*
 
I'm still not really sure why Quicksilver didn't tell Magneto he was his son.

Because for one reason or another, the X-men series is afraid of ever going too far outside of the status quo it set for itself. But they want to have it both ways. So on one hand you have Quicksilver acknowledging he is Magneto's son, so the audience knows the writers are recognizing that fact, but he doesn't actually ever do anything to shake things up. It's the same with Apocalypse himself. They want him to be allpowerful alien looking and have all the majesty of the pyramid power or whatever. But at the same time they are so afraid of ever really mentioning the word "alien" or suggesting that his technology comes from another world. They don't want to touch that if they don't have to because that might shake the foundation of the series as well.

That's one thing I feel Singer holds back too much on and it hurts him.
 
I'll repeat what i said in the other thread. They really needed more time having the young X-men just hanging out and getting to know each other. Scene of Scott broing it out with Kurt while showing him things he had not seen or Jean and Scott hanging out more.. Just i needed more of the downtime stuff. Hell I want it even more now cause you will have Quicksilver bouncing his wit off the other young X-men.

Hopefully the next movie can start with that.

Also Quicksilver is amazing and I love seeing him with the team.
 
I really liked the movie. It's a bit blunt and straightforward though. I think the most disappointing thing was the psychic battle between Xavier and Apoccy. He doesn't become that weird knight thing from the cartoon like when he fought the Shadow King, he tries to take him in a boxing match. They're in the realm of imagination! There shouldn't be any rules!

The violence was surprising but equally surprising was how reserved Wolverine's scenes were.

I wish these actors could be in a high-budget TV show. They could cover way more ground than with a movie every 2-3 years.
 
I will say that the one thing the X-Men series has over every other superhero film: They're really good at dropping the f-bomb. They usually only use it once (Deadpool excluded, obviously) but it always works beautifully.
 
I'll repeat what i said in the other thread. They really needed more time having the young X-men just hanging out and getting to know each other. Scene of Scott broing it out with Kurt while showing him things he had not seen or Jean and Scott hanging out more.. Just i needed more of the downtime stuff. Hell I want it even more now cause you will have Quicksilver bouncing his wit off the other young X-men.

They shot a bunch of mall sequences. Cyclops, Jean Grey, Jubilee, Nightcrawler just hanging out, checking out 80s entertainment, music, food, etc. We've seen a number of different scenes in TV spots, promo pics, etc, but they chopped the entire thing out to give more screentime to garbage in the second half!
 
I enjoyed it, but I mainly wanted to post because of the post credit scene. Wooooo Mr Sinister!
If they're doing the Phoenix next, which a lot of people involved with the series have suggested, I think Sinister would make sense as the villain, since the Phoenix would totally be in his area of interest and he has the requisite powers.

Reposting my thoughts from the other thread, since I guess this is meant to be the spoiler discussion place. Pluses and minuses:

+ Magneto: Has a really strong arc, and great acting by Michael Fassbender. I really like the scene where his family is killed, because it shows the best sort of nuanced characterization that Singer has brought to these movies; the people that come to arrest him are not psychos or anything like that, and the deaths of his family happen by accident. In a lot of stories they'd just be a bunch of goons who machine-gun the place.

+ Apocalypse: A lot of the reviews really don't like Apocalypse, and describe Oscar Isaac as wasted. Now, for fans of Isaac's ace dramatic work, I guess maybe you could think that, since Apocalypse isn't a complex character or anything; but I think Isaac does a really good job playing this guy who thinks he's a god. He's got presence, and his recruitment drive, culminating in the first scene where he launches all the world's nuclear weapons, are great sequences.

+ Scott & Jean: These two are done way better than they were in the original trilogy. Strong casting in both cases, and Jean, especially, has a really good arc, though her introduction is perhaps a little abrupt. But what an ending.

+ Nightcrawler: A more minor character, but his intro is nice enough, and the actor handles both the comedy and more serious sides of the character well, what we see of them.

+ Professor X: Doesn't have as big a role here as in the previous films, but he's definitely arrived more or less at his optimal form. And unlike previous team movies that had to take him completely out of commission for the climax, here he's got a real role to play that doesn't impair other characters either. Nicely done.

+ Mystique: Ah, the ever-controversial character. For those who really hate the trailer suggestion that she's team leader, etc., that isn't the case, for what it's worth. She's an ensemble player here. She also has a workable arc, one that actually incorporates the complaints people made about why she isn't in her blue form more. This feels like a good resolution to the character's arc over the previous movies. Though it will be kind of awkward if she's not in future installments.

- Moira: I loved Rose Byrne in First Class, and she's fine here; I like that it resolves one of the more dubious aspects of FC's end. If things were different, I'd be fine with her being in the movie in what is clearly intended as a side role. But with some other aspects of the movie clearly needing more time, I think she should have been dropped and that time shuffled elsewhere. She's ultimately not needed.

- Quicksilver: His big mansion rescue sequence is fun, but it's not as good as the DOFP sequence, and I feel it's tonally out of place with what immediately preceded it. Beyond that, the arc of him looking for his father just fizzles without any real payoff. Now in a sense I actually like the script avoiding what many people predicted as a trite resolution where Magneto is swayed away from Apocalypse by learning he still has a son, but there really needed to be some payoff to this arc.

- Storm: I'd call this the movie's single-biggest missed opportunity. First, the positive: Alexandra Shipp seems well-cast; the accent is good, and the character has a pretty solid introduction. Moreover, in interviews Singer outlined a vision for Storm's role in this story that I think would have worked, if there'd been enough time, namely, showing a sort of troubled youth drawn to a cult leader. One could infer from that that she'd see the error of her ways and switch sides. And yeah, that happens, but it's barely dramatized. The character virtually vanishes after her introduction in Egypt. As the contours of the plot became clearer over the course of production/advertising, I figured we would see Storm interacting with the captured Professor X and being convinced that the path she was on wasn't right. That's what they should have done. When I say they should have dropped Moira, they should have used the saved time to give Storm a proper arc. I guess they could also have dropped Quicksilver, if they weren't going to fine-tune his story more.
 
"We're going to the mall."

Perfect opportunity to throw in, "Does a mall babe eat Chili Fries?" line from the X-Men cartoon. But nope lol.

edit: That actually happened outside the mall in that episode. Either way, Jubilee was in the movie and it would have been funny if they used it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inuWR2wlLXA
 
They shot a bunch of mall sequences. Cyclops, Jean Grey, Jubilee, Nightcrawler just hanging out, checking out 80s entertainment, music, food, etc. We've seen a number of different scenes in TV spots, promo pics, etc, but they chopped the entire thing out to give more screentime to garbage in the second half!

And it's a damn shame they cut all that. It really was needed just to give them more time to bond. Such a damn pity.
 
I had so much damn fun watching this movie tonight in the theater, warts and all.

I get why it isn't wooing critics, but I just loved watching it.
 
Lol Jubilee, useless forever :D
Striker don't want no garbage in his chopper
My bro and I loved weapon X outfit on Hugh, amazing that it was in the movie B^)
Olivia Munn maybe said 5 sentences max but she was alright
Poor Erik :( guy just wanted to live with his wife and daughter

Reviewers X critics got it wrong, it's not hot garbage , it's great



So if Moira put that carpet back then the movie doesn't happen ? :p
 
Just got back from seeing this movie and I have to say I really liked it. Quicksilver steals the show for me. That guy is hella funny. I also like this storm better than Halle Berry but, I just wished they would've used her more. The bad for me with this movie is that Apocalypse really didn't have that massive impact I wanted him to have. Magneto was really doing all the work for him. Other than that I had a great fun time seeing this.
 
The horseman power levels were all over the place. You've got Storm and Magneto who are ultra powerful demigods then you've got Psylock who has the power to swing a sword (if she can do other psychic stuff she didn't show it off in this film) and Angel with the power of flying and throwing spikes. It felt like he was swiping right with every mutant he saw.

Apocalypse was sufficiently powerful to feel intimidating but it was slightly annoying that I never got a firm grasp on the limits of his powers and capabilities. He has a big pool of them to choose from which is part of the story I get that, but stuff like being able to control Xavier once the link was established and stop Quicksilver who was punching him at unfathomable speeds felt kinda "Superman pulling powers out of his ass whenever the plot wants him to" level convenient.

The Magneto plot felt really stupid to me. He's this character that already has the most tragic back-story imaginable built in, shuffled into a concentration camp and his parents and people were butchered around him. He's already had a lot of development in both previous films in this canon, and he's flip flopping more than a politician. Inserting two disposable family members who existed purely to get killed in the first act so he has yet ANOTHER excuse to flip back into villain mode had me groaning in the cinema. Then at the end it's an appeal to emotion to have him flip flopperoo straight back.
 
I'll repeat what i said in the other thread. They really needed more time having the young X-men just hanging out and getting to know each other. Scene of Scott broing it out with Kurt while showing him things he had not seen or Jean and Scott hanging out more.. Just i needed more of the downtime stuff. Hell I want it even more now cause you will have Quicksilver bouncing his wit off the other young X-men.

You mean, like a first movie in a new series instead of the final act of a trilogy?

X-Men: Apocalypse, man... what can I say?
 
Well that was really disappointing and just flat out bad. How did Singer go from the pretty damn great DOFP to this?? The script and dialogue were garbage and the acting (outside of Fassbender and one or two others) was horrible. Jlaw's acting and speeches were especially terrible. And some of the sfx (that tanker ship!) were abysmal. I didn't even like Oscar Issac who's usually great in everything! :(
 
Well that was really disappointing and just flat out bad. How did Singer go from the pretty damn great DOFP to this?? The script and dialogue were garbage and the acting (outside of Fassbender and one or two others) was horrible. Jlaw's acting and speeches were especially terrible. And some of the sfx (that tanker ship!) were abysmal. I didn't even like Oscar Issac who's usually great in everything! :(

Isn't this basically a Phantom Menace review with all the names changed
 
Yeah I didn't notice the mother die but then everyone acted like it was something we all saw. Not sure if I just blinked and missed it while I was sipping my drink or something.

You and me both brother. I mentioned it in a discussion a few pages back I think. Was really surprised when they said there was a pan around showing the arrow coming out of the mother too. I don't remember it at all. I remember the mother being sad that the daughter got shot, and the Mags getting really mad and killing everyone. I honestly assumed he was so insane he killed the mother too, offscreen. Idk.
 
the funny thing about the whole Charles telling Jean to let go and unleash her power yet if she fully released her power the world would have been fucked, glad they did the phoenix tease though rightfully so Jean was the only one there that could really have stopped Apocalypse.
 
Right? Of all the on-the-nose shit in this movie, the moment that clarifies Magneto's just lost his wife and kid to a single arrow strike is so low-key as to be lost if you aren't looking in just the right place in the frame for a second during a camera move.

I think maybe Singer & Ottman just thought it was more clear than it really was? Like they looked at it and were "Yeah. You can tell that's what it is poking out of her back. We're good."
 
I also thought it only went through the child. I didn't notice if the arrow was sticking out of the mother, if it was they didn't make it clear very well at all. I put it together quickly once he ran to them, but I can see how one might not understand. Overall I did enjoy that scene though.

This movie had some twisted shit. Just in the opening sequence people burned to death, somebody's body is contorted into a ball, and some other stuff. Damn.

Then people are beheaded by sand (I think?) and then stuck in walls. Christ.

Apocalypse is basically obliterated and you see it all.
 
Hour and a half ride home after seeing the film. Absolutely pooped.

Another thing I kept saying during the film was, "Why didn't they just cast Steve Carrell as Apocalypse?"

I wanna see Isaac's pay stub.
 
Best comic movie this year so far. I loved it.

I actually agree with you here. I just got back from this movie, I have to say that some of the highs of this movie were really good.

A lot of the strength of this film relies on the imagery it uses, especially with the nuclear launch scene. That was powerful.

I do have a ton of gripes with this movie though. It starts out really strong, I think culminating in the nuclear launch scene. But just like the missiles, it reaches the atmosphere and just kinda... sits there. So many story arcs within the movie are left either unresolved or with pitifully weak endings.

I felt that Magneto should have been the one to do Apocalypse in at the end of the film. Jean had too much of a role, IMO. As said before, she doesn't really earn her PHOENIX MODE ending; she says that the students are afraid of her, but they don't really properly show how it happens.

Fassbender and McAvoy brought their A+ game to this film. Even with their hokey lines they put so much passion into what they do.

Wolvy and Stryker were nice to see but unnecessary. There's too many villains in this movie!

Also after Stryker abducts everybody, the movie forgets that it's supposed to take place in the 80's. The costumes, the jet, everything forgot the time period theming.
 
This is why I never ever listen to reviews. Apparently they were bad for the movie but I enjoyed the movie a lot. It's not better than Civil War but rate it right up there with Deadpool. I got hyped as fuck when Jean went Phoenix though. We got the full on wings and shit. Also what was the end credits teasing. Mr. Sinister.

edit: oh the answer's above me
 
Quicksilver, Jean, Cyclops were dope.

Everything else was eh. I feel some of the cast were going through the notions and they were rushing to certain scenes.

The set up to Logan's cameo was really fucking pointless and then to reveal its setting up Sinister...yay?

Angel gets the biggest middle finger and wow, has two movies to shine on and both are the weakest ones.

Moira and Charles are a thing so why did Chuck wipe her memory in Class or did he made her remember again at the end?

It's ok but I wouldn't rush to see this.
 
Was it the film being intentionally subtle, or was it just poor editing?

I think Singer might not have wanted to show the girl dying until she was dead so as not to be too much of a downer for little kids, and maybe he didn't want to have the young actor try to show us a believable death scene; easier to show/shoot her from behind and keep the focus on Eric's reaction; though perhaps he could have cut to a slightly wider shot from the mothers side showing a bit of spearhead protruding to make it clear that both were lost with one shot...
 
So am I to believe that Magneto - the person who apparently kills MILLIONS of people in this film - is actually invited by Charles to teach at the school in the end?
I laughed out loud at his appearance and talk with Charles at the end; maybe the silliest moment in an incredibly silly movie. Dude is literally a genocidal maniac at this point.
 
I don't know if we can say he killed millions. Tens of thousands seems more realistic.

Not sure how those numbers make any practical difference tbh. I mean he basically lost my respect when he killed... what... 6 guys in the forest? And that's before he was about to kill another 10 people or so in the factory. Apocalypse did it for him, but whatever, it doesn't make a difference. The way they depicted the Magneto arc was really odd. Clearly by the end Singer intended for the audience to sympathize with him and feel that he had gone through a dark journey and redeemed himself. But I don't feel it adds up. He's a psychopath whose reaction to any offense or tragic consequence is to blame non-mutants and then kill them for it. That's insane. Not in a bad way, because it's actually in tune with who Magneto "is" in much of X-men continuity, whether it be the movies or the comics, but the bad part is when they try to redeem the insanity with "oh in the end he helped the X-men". Wtf? No. That doesn't make it okay. Fuck that.
 
Not sure how those numbers make any practical difference tbh. I mean he basically lost my respect when he killed... what... 6 guys in the forest? And that's before he was about to kill another 10 people or so in the factory. Apocalypse did it for him, but whatever, it doesn't make a difference. The way they depicted the Magneto arc was really odd. Clearly by the end Singer intended for the audience to sympathize with him and feel that he had gone through a dark journey and redeemed himself. But I don't feel it adds up. He's a psychopath whose reaction to any offense or tragic consequence is to blame non-mutants and then kill them for it. That's insane. Not in a bad way, because it's actually in tune with who Magneto "is" in much of X-men continuity, whether it be the movies or the comics, but the bad part is when they try to redeem the insanity with "oh in the end he helped the X-men". Wtf? No. That doesn't make it okay. Fuck that.

Wait, did they try to redeem him? I thought it was only Charles who was offering to keep him safe/offer him a home at the school?

And yeah, the number probably isn't that big of a deal when he straight up murders 6 people in a pretty brutal fashion.
 
Not sure how those numbers make any practical difference tbh. I mean he basically lost my respect when he killed... what... 6 guys in the forest? And that's before he was about to kill another 10 people or so in the factory. Apocalypse did it for him, but whatever, it doesn't make a difference. The way they depicted the Magneto arc was really odd. Clearly by the end Singer intended for the audience to sympathize with him and feel that he had gone through a dark journey and redeemed himself. But I don't feel it adds up. He's a psychopath whose reaction to any offense or tragic consequence is to blame non-mutants and then kill them for it. That's insane. Not in a bad way, because it's actually in tune with who Magneto "is" in much of X-men continuity, whether it be the movies or the comics, but the bad part is when they try to redeem the insanity with "oh in the end he helped the X-men". Wtf? No. That doesn't make it okay. Fuck that.
Yep, pretty much exactly this. Imagine if X2 ended with Magneto suddenly changing his mind about trying to kill all humans, and Charles responds with "Oh... you! <3"

Would have been horrible and practically ruined the movie.

So was Apocalypse actually brain washing the Horsemen or was he just persuasive? The movie wasn't very clear.
This is a big issue, too. Charles not relaying Apocalypse's message verbatim would seem to suggest that's not the case (Perhaps it's due to his telepathy that he can resist? But of course that isn't clarified either) and Magneto and Storm's quick changes of heart do not either. If he's not brainwashing, then all the Horsemen come off as irredeemably insane when Apocalypse wipes out Cairo and they barely bat an eye.
 
Not sure how those numbers make any practical difference tbh. I mean he basically lost my respect when he killed... what... 6 guys in the forest? And that's before he was about to kill another 10 people or so in the factory. Apocalypse did it for him, but whatever, it doesn't make a difference. The way they depicted the Magneto arc was really odd. Clearly by the end Singer intended for the audience to sympathize with him and feel that he had gone through a dark journey and redeemed himself. But I don't feel it adds up. He's a psychopath whose reaction to any offense or tragic consequence is to blame non-mutants and then kill them for it. That's insane. Not in a bad way, because it's actually in tune with who Magneto "is" in much of X-men continuity, whether it be the movies or the comics, but the bad part is when they try to redeem the insanity with "oh in the end he helped the X-men". Wtf? No. That doesn't make it okay. Fuck that.

The only real difference a number makes is: is Magneto worse than Hitler? So, the nazis were bad and "created" Magneto. At what point is Magneto worse? He must have killed so many innocent people at this point. The people who ratted him out probably thought he was a dangerous criminal who was escaping justice. But since Magneto doesn't think he should be helt accountable for anything he does or anyone he kills he's shown as more a genocidal maniac than anyting else. Both Days of Future Past and Apocalypse really have no idea of how to make his actions sympathetic.
 
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