Pathfinder
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The concept of generations is fading fast, if you haven't noticed.
And Microsoft cares more about their Windows 10 ecosystem as a whole rather than the performance of a singular console.
Time to get with the program.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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The concept of generations is fading fast, if you haven't noticed.
And Microsoft cares more about their Windows 10 ecosystem as a whole rather than the performance of a singular console.
Time to get with the program.
Hail the MAU's.
Didn't work;-)
Melchiah
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Link?
Yes but it's only a few people. The good, intelligent and educated people always choose and chose PlayStation because Sony is just better in every imaginable way.
justsomeguy
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Depends what you get. Ps+ model would be decent.
justsomeguy
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😅 you're going to get slaughtered by people who don't check your other posts first 😅
2blackcats
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Only recently we had that dude from epic harping on about how Microsoft are trying to monopolize the pc games industry. Lots of people seemed to agree with him too.
So the gold subscription will just be a lucky bag of pc & pc compatible Xbox games?
MilkyJoe
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I have no idea what this means
Is this a joke post?
Imagine if there were people out there that just want a console under the TV and have no interest in PC gaming... I know I must be crackers.
I see we've gone beyond speculation to forecasting next 5 years of the industry based on nothing but unconfirmed speculation?
I think discussion needs to dial it back a notch to recognize that this is speculation on a "target" specification with no confirmation of Sony specification either other than some vague "targets".
At this point it's as likely Sony surprise MS with a late spec jump as MS leapfrog Sony. In other words it could go either way very easily so its redundant to read to much into how its going to play out.
I have to say though: it's pretty ironic to see the old MS can buy victory arguments coming out as MS write off their much bigger "buying" of mobile phone industry as a dismal failure. You can't buy victory in consumer markets. Not easily and not often. Commercial sure. MS are used to that. But consumer market can rarely be bought in that fashion. Please drop this argument. Also the war chest. The war chest is spent appropriate to the industry (see previous point on mobile phones). It's very unlikely MS is going to dump 5 billion into game consoles to sell a powerful console at a huge loss for relatively minimal ROI in comparison to the cost.
MS will make sensible moves I'm sure and invest but we're very unlikely to see anything crazy.
HINT: time for thisisneogaf.gif.
I think discussion needs to dial it back a notch to recognize that this is speculation on a "target" specification with no confirmation of Sony specification either other than some vague "targets".
At this point it's as likely Sony surprise MS with a late spec jump as MS leapfrog Sony. In other words it could go either way very easily so its redundant to read to much into how its going to play out.
I have to say though: it's pretty ironic to see the old MS can buy victory arguments coming out as MS write off their much bigger "buying" of mobile phone industry as a dismal failure. You can't buy victory in consumer markets. Not easily and not often. Commercial sure. MS are used to that. But consumer market can rarely be bought in that fashion. Please drop this argument. Also the war chest. The war chest is spent appropriate to the industry (see previous point on mobile phones). It's very unlikely MS is going to dump 5 billion into game consoles to sell a powerful console at a huge loss for relatively minimal ROI in comparison to the cost.
MS will make sensible moves I'm sure and invest but we're very unlikely to see anything crazy.
HINT: time for thisisneogaf.gif.
Leyasu
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Lol infact what I saw was a link to a post from a mod, saying that it was the worst post he had ever seen.
Anyway, this will no doubt launch with halo 3 anniversary. I just hope that they ditch the halo 3 multiplayer in favour of halo 5s
I wonder how reliable the source is.
I guess the only way is to wait till E3 to see what happens.
I just feel like upgrading my PC (gtx970) to 1070 or something rather than buying a XBO scropio.
The only reason that made me interested a bit in PS NEO is that the PS platform has exclusives that'll never come to PC.
But even then, I still don't know if I'd really want to upgrade to NEO. (stick with PS4 and upgrade my PC instead)
[edited] But if this ends up to be true, I feel like Sony should just push back Neo to 2017 and increase the specs.
I guess the only way is to wait till E3 to see what happens.
I just feel like upgrading my PC (gtx970) to 1070 or something rather than buying a XBO scropio.
The only reason that made me interested a bit in PS NEO is that the PS platform has exclusives that'll never come to PC.
But even then, I still don't know if I'd really want to upgrade to NEO. (stick with PS4 and upgrade my PC instead)
[edited] But if this ends up to be true, I feel like Sony should just push back Neo to 2017 and increase the specs.
Bits N Pieces
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They can't reveal these new consoles at E3 they just can't, right?
I don't think they will. Xbox One Slim is realistic, but I don't think they will talk about the console revisions until at least 2016Q4 or 2017Q1-2.
nelsonroyale
Member
Completely agreed. They are trying to make a profit here, not to 'win' the console war. They certainly don't have unlimited funds in the gaming sector.
On the next xbone. It is interesting to think the impact on Xbone games when the gap between it and the new one will likely be even bigger than PS4 and Neo. I still think 2017 is too early for a decent leap. Again, I don't think of Neo as big step up, just a modest premium model. The next xbone if it releases in 2017 with those specs will be expensive, or sold at a big loss. As a next console I don't see the performance as enough of a step up. It is 3 times more powerful than ps4...If they can price it the same as the neo without a loss, then fine. Otherwise...
martino
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Or they will. Sending message that wait for scorpio is waiting for the best place to play multiplat games on consoles is not the worst move they can make. (if thoses rumors are reals)
-ImaginaryInsider
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IMO it's more important for Sony to launch first, especially given that PS4k/Neo is within spitting distance of these new rumored Xbox specs. Getting the Neo and PSVR out 6 months to a year before MS puts anything out is a pretty big advantage.
I don't think Sony has to delay any thing. These sorts of things will continually happen in the coming years. The Scorpio will launch, and within one year of it being on the market, you'll start seeing PS5 specs being rumored. It's a never ending game of power- and you just have to choose which ecosystem you'd prefer.
Development kits for Neo are out in the wild, so I imagine things are pretty far along in it's design stages. Sony must have made a calculated decision to launch first and lose the performance edge. We are in a very strange place of console gaming where there's something brand new on the horizon every other year.
Obscuritas
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We will probably get some hints, especially by Microsoft, sure, but there won't be any Scorpio/Neo official reveal during E3, if you ask me.
For Neo's sake they'd better announce something soon because if it's launching by the Fall of this year, we are nearly halfway through it at we speak. As for Scorpio, I think they can hold off, but announcing Scorpio ahead of Neo would be a very smart decision because it'll help pull the wind out of Sony's sails during E3.
But according to rumors it won't launch until end of 2017. E3 2016 seems too early to announce it. People would just not buy an Xbox for an entire year just to wait for the next one.
MilkyJoe
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I have no idea what they will do, but if Scorpio is real, I'd say it was a controlled leak. From a logical viewpoint MS should announce Scorpio, officially, before Neo releases, but this is the games industry and all logic seems to be on permanent hold here...
Melchiah
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Yeah, that exactly what (s)he meant, when (s)he mentioned the current userbase, VR, and the variety of 1st party games.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Don't think they need to announce Scorpio at E3, i mean if Sony announce Neo at E3, then MS can announce Scorpio at Gamescom event.
Obscuritas
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Agreed. Launching 9/12 months earlier it's way more important than raw power, especially if you are dominating this market (better brand recognition, biggest userbase, exclusives not playable elsewhere, the opportunity to adjust the price accordingly etc.).
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Announcing Scorpio now will not only neuter their current XB1 sales, but their XB1 Slim's sales, too.
I imagine that they will announce the slim, with wording like "upgraded 4K output" to try and piss on Sony's chips before they announce the Neo (smart wording will minimise the impact of the Neo's power differential). Then hit with the "World's fastest game console" next year after the fuss of those two has died down a bit.
Thats a good strategy, but where would that leave the rumoured Slim at E3?
MilkyJoe
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When are people going to get the memo that there will be no more conventional generations?
Neo will release this year, Scorpio next, Neo 2 maybe 2 years after that, Scorpio 2 maybe a year or more after that... I see head to head console releases with in days weeks or months of each other, are out the window. The console war is going to go cold.
Full Back compatibility is going to have most people chose a side and stay there. When Neo drops xbox folk are safe in the knowledge that they have 8 to 12 months to wait until Scorpio releases. When Scorpio releases Sony folk will know that they won't have long until their new superior box drops... Rinse, repeat until the end of time. As I have said in a previous post, this is a very comfortable situation for consumers, console manufacturers and game developers alike. The only job Sony or MS have is to not fuck it up when it's their time to drop a box.
And that is purely an opinion
The two months Xbox One dominated NPD was the Fall of 2014 where they OUTPRICED PS4. Power, userbase, exclusives, etc. - it all matters; but consumers have shown to be most sensitive to price.
100% agreed Milky. And you know what will end up mattering the most because of these truncated console cycles? The EXCLUSIVES.
Melchiah
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If the status quo stays the same, how is Microsoft going to increase their userbase?
martino
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You keep living in the past seeing thing like this
Going neo / slim and scorpio is segmenting the market to audiences with different priorities.
And for enthusiast people that care more for power than brand it's not a bad move.
Microsoft considers any one who owns a PC with access to Windows 10 an Xbox customer. PC's, tablets, consoles, streaming sticks - it's all Xbox. That's how I think they will try and leverage the Xbox brand.
However, in the truest sense, this probably won't do very much for traditional Xbox hardware sales. What it will do is help expand the potential of sales of first party and MS published software.
dragonelite
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As long as the software is forward and backward compatible there will be no market splintering
Obscuritas
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They'll have at least 3 occasions to announce Neo before the holidays, namely the Gamescom, TGS and the Paris Games Week. The PlayStation Experience would be too late.
I don't think that they should rush the reveal, after all it's just a premium model which targets primarily the core gamers.
Melchiah
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There lies the other problem. If all the 1st party games can be played on PC and XB, there's little reason to get both, especially with the added multiplayer fee. Sharing the content between the platforms may bolster their Windows store, but I don't see how it increases the XB userbase.
martino
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did i said splint ? i said segmentation...it's not the same.
MilkyJoe
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Have they not sold 20 million already?
New people are born every day, new kids get older and become console customers every day. There is a never ending supply of potential customers for both sides. It's up to Sony and MS to provide reasons for getting in their camp.
Melchiah
Member
And isn't the gap increasing, particularly outside of NA and UK? New buyers lure in new buyers, and the ripple effect continues.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Let's propose that Microsoft drop a dedicated Xbox console in favour of going all-in on PC instead. There are many many people who would just get a PlayStation because they like the way console gaming works for them.
Even if all MS exclusives are available on both Windows 10 and Xbox consoles, having a box that people can plug into the TV and play
after updates
Scorpio 2 will probably go head to head with Neo 2. In fact the competition might force them both to go for annual updates.
Backfoggen
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annual consoles ain't happening
They have to get this half step right first and see where it's going for them. Work on a Neo 2 would have to begin prior to its release for there to be another console next year.
At this point it's still an experiment
Melchiah
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It definitely won't be abandoned entirely by the users, but it doesn't seem likely that the new strategy would manage to actually increase the userbase either.
MilkyJoe
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The US population is massive, next to no one outside of the US buys American cars, but they still make and sell them.
First point - I'm really not so sure as like I said the full BC takes away the poaching
Second - Never in a million years
Melchiah
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It doesn't help though, if the native product is being outsold by a foreign one.
dragonelite
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Xbox ons games on Windows 10 will hugely increase their userbase. Think it would
Help developers also when they have to only make ons build for PC and xbox.
Stiflers Mom
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I just want them to call the actual box "x box SCORPIO".
Too bad I am still not interested, Sony has the bigger exclusive games for my needs (biggest one being SF5).
Too bad I am still not interested, Sony has the bigger exclusive games for my needs (biggest one being SF5).
MilkyJoe
Member
Well people might start switching back.
MS assumed the US population would roll over and take their shit, but were very wrong,
Maybe the "buy american" mentality will kick back in
I don't have all the answers. There are many xbox people that are currently with PS4 that may have read about Scorpio and thought, right fuck Neo, I'll go back to Xbox. I read a few on Gaf last night. But there's going to be a metric ton that stay where they are now. That's what happens when you shit the bed with a reveal like Xbone.