You just described every fan-base, not limited to just video games mind you.
Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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While I think it's unquestionable that showing one game as a platform holder would be unprecedently poor in terms of quantity and breadth of content, which I think should be important for any publisher (especially a platform holder) to stress at a big event like this, as for NX it's precipitous to either attack or defend the decision before we know what it is and what the alternative to revealing at E3 is.
One can also not take for granted that what we know so far is all that we get. Nintendo can release trailers and gameplay of 3DS games, Paper Mario etc. on their media channels without having a Nintendo Direct or announcing such a thing beforehand. Is it such an outlandish thing to suggest, when the wording of their PR has not only not excluded other games for Wii U or 3DS games making some sort of appearance, but frankly, because of the non-exclusion, suggests that there will be more?
For all means, go ahead and slander everyone who disagrees that only showing Zelda would be a travesty. But please do so knowing that your "attack" on Nintendo at E3 is a slippery slope and might blow up in your face if it turns out your assumptions about what will happen were all moot.
One can also not take for granted that what we know so far is all that we get. Nintendo can release trailers and gameplay of 3DS games, Paper Mario etc. on their media channels without having a Nintendo Direct or announcing such a thing beforehand. Is it such an outlandish thing to suggest, when the wording of their PR has not only not excluded other games for Wii U or 3DS games making some sort of appearance, but frankly, because of the non-exclusion, suggests that there will be more?
For all means, go ahead and slander everyone who disagrees that only showing Zelda would be a travesty. But please do so knowing that your "attack" on Nintendo at E3 is a slippery slope and might blow up in your face if it turns out your assumptions about what will happen were all moot.
I've been playing on my PS4
Little Monser
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Why are people up in arms about no Nintendo show this year?
We are going to get one later in the year anyway so it's no big deal anyway
Just enjoy what Sony and Microsoft have to show then Nintendo later...
We are going to get one later in the year anyway so it's no big deal anyway
Just enjoy what Sony and Microsoft have to show then Nintendo later...
The thought is probably that Pokemon sells itself. I mean, think about how they unveiled the game. They said it's coming, gave us some logos, and that was it. By all accounts, that's a really terrible unveiling for any game ever. But, Pokemon can get away with it knowing people are going to buy it in the millions regardless of when they want to actually show off huge chunks of it.
Zelda is a bit different, since it's seen a decline in sales. It's a well known property, but no longer a gauranteed sales success. So it has to "prove itself" much more than it use to have to do.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Unfathomable that the expectation for years is that Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony show multiple games at E3 and now Nintendo is not? It's genuinely unfathomable to you?
Hot Coldman
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This news is still a huge bummer to me, but I guess I understand why they'd do it and I'm excited for Zelda so I'll live. I'm excited still.
The situation sucks. NX isn't ready. Wii U and 3DS games are trickling. They decided to just go full Zelda instead of making a show out of nothing (like last E3).
What is there to defend? A company makes unfavorable decisions, and I as a Nintendo fan continues to buy whatever I think is interesting from them, if any.
Yes this is a bummer. yes this news sucks. All it means is that they're not ready to show NX yet, which they have proven by saying NX isn't even going to release until next year.
So we know the bad news already and their E3 presence lines up w/ the bad news. They're not ready yet.
So just wait til they're ready to show it and enjoy. It sucks it's not at E3, but in reality it doesn't matter THAT much that they're not showing it at E3.
Hell, SONY's own PS4 reveal IN FEBRUARY got *MORE* views than their E3 press conference that same year. So, if it didn't matter for sony, it won't matter for nintendo, either. It's only a bummer if you're a longtime E3 fan and you want E3 to be gaming news christmas forever, which it won't be.
So we know the bad news already and their E3 presence lines up w/ the bad news. They're not ready yet.
So just wait til they're ready to show it and enjoy. It sucks it's not at E3, but in reality it doesn't matter THAT much that they're not showing it at E3.
Hell, SONY's own PS4 reveal IN FEBRUARY got *MORE* views than their E3 press conference that same year. So, if it didn't matter for sony, it won't matter for nintendo, either. It's only a bummer if you're a longtime E3 fan and you want E3 to be gaming news christmas forever, which it won't be.
Considering this news is a month old, I don't think you would have cared if they did or didn't anyway.
People who actually care about the company and its products have already moved on and are looking forward to the inevitable NX reveal later in the year when they actually have something to show.
It's not a rumor. It comes straight from the horses mouth. As of today, NX is launching March 2017. As for it being a mess - well, how do you define that? Are they anymore of a mess today than they were last year? The year before? Sony and Microsoft unveiled the PS4 and Xbox One outside of E3. Now Nintendo is doing the same with NX and it's a bad thing? Why? Because the others did it before E3 2013? So?
If it's not coming out this year, it's not nearly as important to show it off at E3. Especially when, if spec wise it is PS4 or just barely over PS4 level, that it will be entirely overshadowed by the others. Imagine if you will that LG, Samsung, and Apple were going to unveil their latest phones on the same day. Samsung goes for it all with the high power specs. Apple goes for great power, but then "OS sex appeal". So it's not as powerful as the Samsung, but does more with what you already have in prior iphones. Then you have the new LG phone - it's specs are closer to last year's model of iphone and galaxy s's, but it happens to have a 30 megapixel camera, making it the market leader for camera phones.
The problem for LG though is that no one will be talking about that camera. The new Galaxy and iPhone just got announced that have far better specs. Forget that the LG is basically going to be able to use and play any game/app also available for those phones - it won't matter. It doesn't matter it has a vastly superior camera. The timing of the announcement is poor, as it is overshadowed by the the bigger, more popular, brands.
So look at E3 this year. Two new, more powerful, boxes are getting announced. Nintendo has a new more powerful box, but likely not at a premium $400 to $500 price tag those 4k boxes will launch at. Nintendo might be announcing what amounts to a PS4 - which is fine for this gen, as it's good enough to get any 3rd party multiplatform game the rest of this gen. BUt it's undderwhelming announcing the same time as the other big boys did something many will see as better in direct comparisons. NX may be laid out to die just like the LG phone would.
Basically. I don't think it will be so drastic and their "new way to play" is going to make much more logical sense this time around, but I understand the premise.
Nope. No platform maker has ever in the history of E3 showed up to the show floor and only showed off one single title. Strictly publishers certainly have. But not a platformer holder. It is totally unprecedented - and maybe it's good? It's certainly good for Zelda fans.
Pretty much. I'm stoked. Also sad, as I know I can't expect a new console Zelda game for NX to show off at E3 for at least another 3 or 4 years.
Well, you don't even have to be a Nintendo fan to defend it. But it's certainly not great. It's one of those things where until the full picture is known, all we can do is scratch our heads. By full picture, I mean once we see the NX reveal event. Until we can put it all together, we won't be able to fully grasp this situation.
I think folks are more inclined to eat that up when your talking about a yet ready to be shown game for a popular series or franchise. Because you already have preset expectations, so just hearing something, anything, drives hype. However, that's a really bad way to have your first public conversation about the NX. talking about behind the scenes "practices" and "art/dev talk about games". Remember, no one knows a damn thing about the NX at all. Those sort of teases are very poor for what would basically be an unveiling without unveiling. That's worse than just not talking about it at all. When they finally do talk about NX - they need to be able to actually show what it is, and show what it is capable of. Actually SHOW games, not just beat around the bush.
ElectricBlanketFire
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More than one thing would have be nice.
Considering the 3DS still has games coming out and, realistically, some unannounced games (even if already announced/out in japan), they could have done 3DS stuff if they WANTED. They clearly don't want to. It's bizarre to say the least.
Sammy Samusu
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I'm OK with Nintendo not having a press conference.
I'm OK with Nintendo not having a Direct.
I'm OK with Nintendo keeping NX a secret.
I'm OK with Nintendo not making new announcements.
But I'm NOT OK with Nintendo bringing only one game to E3.
What are we supposed to discuss in the 3-4 days of E3? Zelda, Zelda, Zelda, Zelda, Zelda? Do you guys realize that some Nintendrones don't really care that much (or at all) about Zelda?
They have other games to demo on the show floor. So demo then!
I'm OK with Nintendo not having a Direct.
I'm OK with Nintendo keeping NX a secret.
I'm OK with Nintendo not making new announcements.
But I'm NOT OK with Nintendo bringing only one game to E3.
What are we supposed to discuss in the 3-4 days of E3? Zelda, Zelda, Zelda, Zelda, Zelda? Do you guys realize that some Nintendrones don't really care that much (or at all) about Zelda?
They have other games to demo on the show floor. So demo then!
I could easily spend a year discussing where this Zelda title belongs in the timeline based simply on whether Link's left nostril is the bigger one or not.
theechrisfox
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Cross-gen Mario Tennis Ultra Smash is just what we need to be shown.
We can always talk about WiiU/3DS games on third pt's booths oh wait.
ViewtifulJC
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This is the darkest timeline
Almost half a year and he only game of note on this console is a Star Fox 64 rehash with a dumb control scheme. And there's little hope of the year being any better with 3D Zelda or Mario or Retro studios or Pikmin or fuckin anything except Sticker Star 2, their big holiday game.
2016 is just going down as one big flop for Nintendo console owners.
Angry Chair
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Why are people mad about this again? I was looking forward to seeing the NX unveiled at E3 just as much as anyone but I got over it and can know see the logic behind it with two reasons:
I'm not saying what Nintendo is doing is great because I believe they should unveil the NX at E3, but a Zelda-only E3 is better than having to see more of Color Splash, TMS, and Federation Force.
- E3 is a cool event but it's not needed anymore because the video game industry can get its information out to the public without it for way less money. Sony could have held last year's E3 conference at a solo event and it would have had just as big of an impact.
- The only non-bomba besides Zelda is Sun/Moon and Pokemon has never had much of a presence at E3.
I'm not saying what Nintendo is doing is great because I believe they should unveil the NX at E3, but a Zelda-only E3 is better than having to see more of Color Splash, TMS, and Federation Force.
Why talk about a trash Action Adventure game like Zelda when we can talk about the game that always brings new ideas to the Action Adventure genre: Paper Mario! So much action, so much adventure, Zelda U will look like some poorly designed game stripped of its soul in comparison.
Anyway, I'm curious to see if the approach to overworld/dungeon design is actually different or if Aonuma is just playing people... again.
crooked spin
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Don't forget the ports of old DQ games we're all dying to see trailers of.
Meesh
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Links dominant hand is left, so it stands to reason his left nostril would be bigger if he's a closet picker...I suppose it all depends on which time line we're in? ;p
ViewtifulJC
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maybe they''ll announce VC support for more old ROMs that people can buy (again)
It's true. But I see it so damn much with Nintendo fans. More than any other fan base.
Tatsumi Oga
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Nintendo announcing that the NX would not be at E3 at all, Zelda getting delayed to a vague 2017 release window extremely lowered my E3 hype, completely really. But i definitely am looking forward to seeing a proper Zelda demonstration.
GregLombardi
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Its super easy to see why this is such a huge mistake, along with delaying the Nx reveal. All you need to do is watch the E3 youtube videos from 2006. Why on earth would you want to actively avoid attention like that? Why as a business would you want to curtail the marketing that won you an entire generation? Nintendo is so dumb with its consoles its mind boggling.
Spyder_Monkey
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There's something really wrong with people getting worked up over Nintendo not catering to your specific needs.
Why do they have to be strictly first party? What better time to show third party games than when they don't have anything to show from their internal studios.
LegendofLex
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I'd rather have a shitty E3 with no NX and no surprises the year before NX comes out with a proper unveiling later than either of the following:
1) a shitty NX reveal at E3 to save all the surprises for 2017's lineup until next E3
2) an NX blowout at E3 this year, then a shitty E3 with no surprises a couple months after NX comes out
You see it where you look. It's everywhere.
It's probably easier/cheaper to bring ONE game to nintendo (only need 1 demo, don't need to coordinate w/ different teams for promo material for each game). My guess is they didn't want to do E3 at all, but if they backed out they'd lose their booth space, so they're literally taking the easiest/cheapest approach to E3 possible. Shitty, but E3 is also becoming shitty. Wouldn't be surprised if E3 (as we know it) is 100% done within the next 5 years if not 3. Only way E3 survives is if it becomes PAX + E3 all-in-one.
At least we have Tokyo Mirage Sessions and Pokken, but yeah otherwise I agree.
perfectchaos007
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Well they have the most successful handheld of this generation so they're still relevant there. But I agree I think this is the lowest state the company has been in since they launched Super Mario Bros in 1984
OneAndDone
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Wow! What happened to this thread? Did every "disgruntled" fan got a call to arms?
Anyway, look forward for this demonstration more than any other thing this E3, to my own tastes, both Sony and MS dropped the ball hardcore. Between the new "iterative console model", the fact that I never felt compelled to own a MS console (and their games showing up in PC anyway), and with the recent news of the new GT lacking some expected features, well, I am well covered with Nintendo and PC for the next 2 - 3 years! Specially, since Civ 6 is coming this year
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Anyway, look forward for this demonstration more than any other thing this E3, to my own tastes, both Sony and MS dropped the ball hardcore. Between the new "iterative console model", the fact that I never felt compelled to own a MS console (and their games showing up in PC anyway), and with the recent news of the new GT lacking some expected features, well, I am well covered with Nintendo and PC for the next 2 - 3 years! Specially, since Civ 6 is coming this year
.Spyder_Monkey
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Lol
It's amazing that people think Nintendo should've unveiled NX at E3. This is why those people are bitching on a message board and no running a business.
Nintendo is without a doubt at it's lowest point. They have run aground on rocks because of the Wii U. However, we have no clue what they are doing and yet some think that means they have no clue what they are doing...that they are lost. However, the fact is that they were lost but now we don't know. It's this assumptive bs that is just frustrating when following Nintendo stuff now.
NX will be unveiled at a Nintendo event. Until that happens, until we have one iota of an idea of what this system is, we have no basis to predict how this system will be or whether or not Nintendo is lost.
Also, I'm fully convinced a lot of people like to make these assumptions so they can come out in a year or whatever and say "I told you so." I see this shit all the time when people talk about the Wii U rumors before release. What do you think you are gaining? Nobody really gives a shit about you.
Nintendo is without a doubt at it's lowest point. They have run aground on rocks because of the Wii U. However, we have no clue what they are doing and yet some think that means they have no clue what they are doing...that they are lost. However, the fact is that they were lost but now we don't know. It's this assumptive bs that is just frustrating when following Nintendo stuff now.
NX will be unveiled at a Nintendo event. Until that happens, until we have one iota of an idea of what this system is, we have no basis to predict how this system will be or whether or not Nintendo is lost.
Also, I'm fully convinced a lot of people like to make these assumptions so they can come out in a year or whatever and say "I told you so." I see this shit all the time when people talk about the Wii U rumors before release. What do you think you are gaining? Nobody really gives a shit about you.
KojiKnight
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Zero. There are only letting a few hundred people play it at the Nintendo store in New York.
They may announce a date for a demo though.
That's how every Nintendo thread is now and will be for awhile.
But this thread has long outlived its purpose (to inform that E3 will only be zelda). it's now a repository for shitposts. All Nintendo threads end up like this, and that's when you know it's time to close it.
Skittzo0413
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Er... I think because there aren't any third party Wii U games to show. Not much for the 3DS either, besides localizations. And honestly they've shown off a lot of those games in the past, so I don't see much of a point in showing them more when instead they can double down on Zelda.
If they weren't this confident with just Zelda I imagine there would be other things they could do, but since it seems like they are, I'm genuinely excited for it.
I shoulda stated that I don't disagree with you haha.
Come on guys. It's not that bad. I was as pissed as some of you when this was announced but right now I think it's for the better and it would be even better later this year when they fully unveil NX on it's own big event ala Spaceworld. I'm actually glad they are taking it's time to unveil the NX this way so we can get more concrete release dates of both hardware and software since this is supposed to launch on March. And of course the usual Nintendo Directs to know more about the 2 or 3 upcoming Wii U games. Not everything flows around E3. It used to, but not anymore.
Just imagine if the reception is as bad as it was with Federation Force? They would be truly doomed this time : /
Just imagine if the reception is as bad as it was with Federation Force? They would be truly doomed this time : /
Angry Chair
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You are right, that's why the Wii U has been such a runaway success. It got such great buzz when it was unveiled way earlier than it should have.
No they won't
Meesh
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Ah well, I'm only a little crushed I guess, not completely devastated... Yet.
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