Guardian Monkey
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It wont cost them 199.... not when they are buying millions of chips
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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It wont cost them 199.... not when they are buying millions of chips
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
That's what I was inferring.
gaming_noob
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I want even more power if they can sell a retail card at 5.5TF for $199. Make it 6+...
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Could it hit 6TF with the CPU?
rokkerkory
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Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Doesn't mean the custom APU based on the 480 will hit 150
How's that?
Samurai G0SU
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Yah. Like every one saying... Rx480 in the scorpio. The chip is avail now...
Hot damn!!! Mind blown.
Hot damn!!! Mind blown.
How so?
Maximilian Kolbe
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Ugh, keep in mind everything is still rumor.
rob305
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Embedded devices?
Lisa Su (AMD CEO) said that "Zen would be used in other segments such as APUs, sampling to our priority customers in the next few months and shipping next year" or something along that.
Tripolygon
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Those are mobile device, usually low power processors in phones and small electronic device, and cars.
Tripolygon
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What she actually said was Zen comes to desktops first, then servers which priority samplings will be taking place in a few weeks. Then she said Zen will scale into notebook APU in the future as well as embedded devices.
That being said, i don't see why they couldn't have simultaneous development for Microsoft or any other paying customer.
Hawk269
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I have a 2xTitan X Water Cooled PC and still love playing my Consoles (Xbox One/PS4). My PC handles many games at 4k/60fps and a lot of times, I still play many games on Console. Why else do you think many PC gamers also have at least one of the next gen consoles? Sometimes for me, I like the simplicity of a console...that won't change with the Neo/Scorpio.
Yissss.
Scorpio is a beast.
statham
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360 was 198, why 150?
Potentially because of the ESRAM. They may just want to gut that RAM configuration outright with Scorpio (potentially also breaking some compatibility, but this is easier to introduce if its a "new cycle of Xbox") and just launching a watered-down "Neo-like" with the Jaguars and ESRAM just wasn't worth it long-term, but in the meantime they don't have much else as an option aside from paying to get shrunk for a Slim.
Meanwhile, Neo doesn't have an ESRAM issue, and for Sony it was cheaper to just do a "Neo" and move everything forward, but is still going to be straddled with the Jaguar or cat-family, despite a much more sizeable GPU.
Coming out next year will allow the Scorpio to shed all of its shortcomings in the One, potentially.
Neo will bind Sony's hands in terms of a "response" though as I can't imagine they'd want to rapidly introduce yet another power-revision to compete, and Nintendo is most certainly not (at least right off the bat) getting involved in this competition. So Scorpio may go completely unchallenged for quite some time.
ThoseDeafMutes
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You're correct in that technically they could go up to 200w, it's just that it's quite unlikely they will.
The Neo APU was made months and months ago, and gone through rigorous testing and certification to be ready for mass production (with dev kits out in the wild). Its not a PC, it doesn't have a discrete card they can just hot-swap out.
rokkerkory
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Rumored delay?
StrongBlackVine
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I'm all for the delay. After Uncharted 4 I don't see a need to rush it out.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Keep in mind that the rumor is Neo release months earlier than Scorpio, if Sony can change, MS can do the same.
IbizaPocholo
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And me too.I prefer to spend 500 in a beast machine rather than 399 for something powerful.
Hawk269
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They can. Have to remember that is $199.99 at retail and if they are partnering with AMD the cost to MS would be significantly lower. Also the materials AMD uses to create a consumer GPU would not be needed so there would be some savings there as well. I would think, just estimating that MS would be paying about $140 or so for the chip, which is damn good. If they equip it with a good CPU and fast RAM, Scorpio could be a beast.
For those saying Sony should delay their launch scheduled for this year, Sony doesn't have to damage control against Scorpio, or rather its unnecessary that they do so.
The fact of the matter is Sony is releasing earlier and MS is releasing later. That what the power differential will represent in the end, and there's really nothing to be done about it
The fact of the matter is Sony is releasing earlier and MS is releasing later. That what the power differential will represent in the end, and there's really nothing to be done about it
Brad Grenz
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You mean the one with the 90% failure rate?
Excellent.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Launch PS3 had slightly higher power consumption during gaming than the 360. It's not impossible, it's just very unlikely that either would go for something very beefy again (comparatively, I mean my PC laughs at these puny wattage figures).
Fess
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But if they push it to Q1-Q2 2017 they'll have several more months to make a new APU? Is it possible? Didn't SEGA upgrade the Saturn at the last minute after seeing PS1?
I just find it strange if sneaky tech-focused Sony didn't plan ahead better than this.
rokkerkory
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9 out of 10 360s failed? That high? damn
GHG
Member
It also depends on how often they are looking to iterate moving forwards. They could technically release the neo this year and then another iteration in early 2018.
Fess
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Sony is so much smarter though, I bet if they do change the APU they probably won't mention it officially until it's too late for MS to change theirs.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
the 6TF monster is getting more real by the day.
Timing plays a big part. Like Microsoft's ability to go with DDR3 V's GDDR5. I think I had read that at the time MS was planning the Xbox One, GDDR5 wasn't cheap or very readily available in those quantities. Again, I stand to be corrected there.
If Sony has already set the board for Neo last year (likely given we started hearing about Neo in April) and dev kits are already in dev hands, then no way changes are possibly outside clock speed increases. This is just bad timing. Maybe AMD wasn't making these new cards known to potential partners until after the Neo was already set.
Timing plays a big part. Like Microsoft's ability to go with DDR3 V's GDDR5. I think I had read that at the time MS was planning the Xbox One, GDDR5 wasn't cheap or very readily available in those quantities. Again, I stand to be corrected there.
If Sony has already set the board for Neo last year (likely given we started hearing about Neo in April) and dev kits are already in dev hands, then no way changes are possibly outside clock speed increases. This is just bad timing. Maybe AMD wasn't making these new cards known to potential partners until after the Neo was already set.
I don't think they would do that, how many they are planning to sell in one iterative unit will really matter the most.
Its important that they don't flood the market with similar devices super often. Having one or two a cycle is fine, but that could really do some damage to the consumer market if the frequency of these devices isn't sufficiently planned out
That'd be flying dangerously close to then sun. I think they'll have their hands tied until 2019 in this scenario because they went the cheaper route to end up with the Neo (which brings about a power upgrade and disparity), while Microsoft seems to have swallowed the pill to shrink the X1 and then played long for the much, much improved Scorpio one year later (which is when they'd introduce their upgrade and disparity).
True, but I do wonder if Vega is really a new architecture beyond Polaris, or simply Polaris thats much larger, more CUs/stream processors, TMUs/ROPs, ACEs and fitted with HBM2 / interposer
Maybe that plus a few architecture tweaks here and there, GCN 4.1. I'm a bit confused on all the GCN versions. I know Tonga was GCN 1.2
rokkerkory
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Sony shud just worry about VR asap. 4.1TF is plenty nice.
vpance
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Don't worry, either Neo will be surprisingly cheap for 4.2TF or it'll be more powerful. Both MS and Sony have access to the same toys.
Munki
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Just finished watching the conference. I guess I missed it, but at which point was the "confirmation"?
He's talking about 'embedded devices' which isn't really a confirmation, but as we already guessed, doesn't really rule it out either.
They are going for a stronger unit though, they aren't going to put out something more powerful at the same time...if they were doing that, they would have hit the same roadblock Sony did in regards to using Jaguar and GDDR5 versus potentially Zen and HBM.
Fact of the matter is, MS took the hit on the wait time versus Sony who was going for something this year.
Microsoft probably wants to drop the CPU as well and not be strapped to the Jaguar for another few years.
And what about all of the work on the current design that's had dev kits sent out for it? Barring some minor last-minute clock-changes, are they going to throw all of that out? All of the "must include Neo-mode" mandates their enforcing and work that has likely been done?
They have what they made. Microsoft had a completely different plan.
GHG
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It all depends on how the market takes to these first batch of iterative devices. Plus they can't keep on manufacturing the OG ps4 forever, so that will likely get discontinued (but still supported) when the next round comes out. 2013-2018 is a decent run for the ps4.
Don't be surprised if it happens every couple of years.