The Xbox One is running Windows 10. It's locked into UWP apps and games developed for it, as the Scorpio will be.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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The Xbox One is running Windows 10. It's locked into UWP apps and games developed for it, as the Scorpio will be.
gundamkyoukai
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Don't forget the year head start and a year and half in EU.
Going to be interesting to see how MS coming out year later going to effect them .
Milly Osworth
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Im not sure what to get now the pro Xbone or PS4.5
No disagreements here. It would be bad if they sat on their asses while Sony announced Neo without competition, i'd actually have less confidence in their commitment to investment in boxed hardware
LukasTaves
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Since Ms says xbox streaming is built in to windows (and is even bringing the feature to win mobile) I would say that's pretty much a certainty
1) Nope, just sensible
2) I don't know what you mean by this. The fact is that you don't need iterative consoles to have backwards compatibility.
3) I'm sure there will be, but if a dev is in the latter stages of a project and a new iteration then appears on the horizon, what do they target? Chances are that the publisher will want them to target both, which is more work.
If you like PS games better, get PS4K, if you like Xbox games better, get Scorpio. If you want a powerful box for third party games, Xbox will be stronger, but since the base limit for games will still be XB1 and PS4, the changes between the two won't be so drastic as they otherwise would be
it really just depends on things like what exclusives you like, which controller do you like, where do your friends play, etc.
if iterative consoles take off than trying to chase the one with the best performance is going to be a chore with the top performer flip flopping every 2-3 years
sunshine and gasoline
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A bit too early for you to decide this in my opinion. At least wait until we have non-rumor information regarding both.
thelastword
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Why are people suggesting what's stronger and what's weaker yet, nothing have been officially announced. How are people telling others what to choose based on rumoured specs, so supposing the X1.5 is weaker than NEO or that Sony has better hardware than what we think NEO to be based on currently, what happens then?
justsomeguy
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I think the leaks from Neo are from sdk documentation, so those are likely quite accurate. Things could change, but the 4.2tf or whatever it is, is what Sony told devs.
Cthulhu_Steev
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I'm just waiting for FordGT Guy to start talking about swizzles then I'm gonna party like it's 2013.
...Scatter...
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Swizzles. That's when we knew folks were reaching for anything to explain why the Mattrickbox was designed the way it was. Don't forget the audio processor.
ninjablade
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sorry but if scorpio gets zen, its gonna kick ps4k ass, third party games will be a huge difference a 30fps-60fps type difference in many of them, that's a night and day difference to me.
because we are just going on by rumors at the moment, when thing are officially announced of course the we can make up are minds for sure. sony specs though have a great chance of happening.
MilkyJoe
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To be fair, if Scorpio releases a year later and is the weaker box, it's curtains for Xbox
rokkerkory
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How many more sparks Scorpio over PS4k though?
MilkyJoe
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Project Spark is done for.
Proelite
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6 over 4.2 is similar to 1.84 over 1.31. PS4 didn't exactly blow Xb1 out of the water.
Or the superior scaler.
If that matters to you the absolute most out of anything, then you will get that box. But in general, that matters much less for the userbase that owns PS consoles. I could not justify owning a console that has the library of XB1, even if it was on Scorpios level, unless it did something more than just play the games better.
rokkerkory
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I was just referring back to the PS2 vs Xbox era, where PS2's ability to produce sparks was much greater lo.
Art Vandilay
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Not this again. We've been through this, it's not similar.
MilkyJoe
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Shpeshal Nick
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How is the difference between 6 and 4 similar to the difference between 1.3 and 1.8?
I mean, maths was never my strong suit, but yeah 2 > .5
vpance
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Proelite
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I am assuming that the difference in ram, cpu, and gpu architecture is similar.
If Xb1 ends up with Zen, HBM2, it'll be different story.
Art Vandilay
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Yeah, that's true. If CPU and memory bandwidth create bottlenecks then that will be an issue for MS.
ninjablade
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Yea but add a modern i5 cpu to ps4 then the difference becomes huge.
Edit: just saw your comment about cpu.
Leyasu
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1 whole ps4 of difference.... 0.5 to 1.8 is not to be sniffed at no? Or does power all of a sudden no longer matter?
Whatever helps people sleep at night I suppose
MilkyJoe
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ninjablade
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There saying i7 actually.
Shpeshal Nick
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Yeah you'll never see an Intel chip in a game console.
MilkyJoe
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Really? Well that's interesting. That's massive.
OG Xbox says hello.
ninjablade
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That's not the point, amd is saying that Zen is suppose to match a i7 in performance.
Proelite
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What's up with gaffers using the exact difference as a comparison? I don't get it.
Percentage difference is way more sensical.
Obscuritas
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Nice way to lose money right there.
Art Vandilay
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Read below:
This is correct. I can't believe this even has to be explained.
Leyasu
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The percentage difference may be the same, but the raw numbers speak a different language....
We know Vega 10 (aka Greenland) is definitely using HBM2. But that's a huge chip, going to compete with not only GP104 (GTX 1080) but GP100/GP102 as well (meaning Pascal Titan and 1080 Ti) We don't know about Vega 11, it would be either HBM2 *or* GDDR5-X. As with any GPU, i.e. Pascal GP104, GP100, it's one or the other, not both. Too expensive and complicated to have two types of memory controllers on a chip.
Point being, if the intention by AMD to have Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 with GDDR5 and then Vega 10 and Vega 11 with HBM2, then it would seem possible for Xbox Scorpio to have a cut down Vega 11, still with HBM2. However, if only Vega 10 is HBM2 and Vega 11 is just GDDR5-X, there's probably going to be no HBM2 in the new Xbox (although anything is possible if Microsoft wants it).
The disadvantage with Polaris 10 in Scorpio, it would have to be clocked high just to reach 5.5 TFLOPS, as it is in Radeon RX480, and even higher to hit MS's 6 TF target (not counting the CPU).
The advantage with Vega 11, even a cut down version, it could probably be underclocked to hit 6 TF. Thus running cooler, probably lower power consumption, more reliable, etc. and at least the possibility of HBM2, where as there's no chance of it with Polaris 10.
MilkyJoe
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It's all relative though.
Samurai G0SU
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Proelite
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What about $10 vs $1? Go to a market and try to haggle with a vender by arguing that $10 is not much more than $1.
What about $1,000,000,000 vs $900,000,000. 100 million difference, their live styles must be extremely different.
Tell me between two sets of console, one set with 5tf, and 10tf, and the second set with 100 gigaflops and 500 gigflops, which set of console would have the bigger visual difference on screen.