Oh I wasn't even suggesting that, I was referring to GTAV selling a few PS4s
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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Oh I wasn't even suggesting that, I was referring to GTAV selling a few PS4s
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I don't speak for everybody but I agree that Halo 6 is much more appealing than 3 remastered. Halo 5 is a damn good game but mojo is dwindled in the ether because so many shooter options today (COD, Destiny) and XBO failure this gen.
Art Vandilay
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I really could see that happening though, at least on the Scorpio. I feel as though a lot of PC games will be ported over thanks to UWP. I guess I'd be fine with it if they just cranked up the graphics settings, but I'm ready for some single player DLC. Sorry for the rant.
i could see Microsoft allowing ~180W with Scorpio, but not more.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
The cynic in me can't help thinking: Drive the console into the ground, move Live over to PC for free, Make all XB1 games available to the PC, Move the XB1 OS over to PC, release Alienware like PC with XB1 OS (Scorpio), start talking about 'platform', job done.
But that's the 'cynic' in me. It might turn out completely different.
But that's the 'cynic' in me. It might turn out completely different.
Bitch Pudding
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Hm, curious what the European Union thinks about that...
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single...ther-improve-energy-efficiency-games-consoles
presagetogood
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MS would be stupid to walk away from their most successful hardware consumer brand. They will not walk away from an ecosystem that connects them with 50-60 million users on Live. The blending of PC/Xbox, using Windows to spur innovations on both platforms, and creating a line of Xbox devices is probably the smartest ways they can leverage Xbox considering where games have been and are right now and are going in the future.
presagetogood
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Wishful thinking on your part on two ends. First off, both consoles will have to fight to prove themselves necessary and worthy over the base models, and they will not convince casuals to drop money as easily as a generation that just launched 3 years ago. You won't see the kind of 1 million+ launch month of the current gen, necessarily, although it is possible, that the thirst may be there for new product. Core consumers are also not all ready to jump ship, and are going to need more incentive. There isn't that built in necessity to move on from extremely outdated hardware of last gen, especially with games like Uncharted just hitting now. Furthermore, those core consumers will be the most informed about the differences between Scorpio and Neo, if things do indeed pan out as they seem now...... so the idea that the 1 years headstart will be devastating to Scorpio has to counter against other market conditions, ie the informed consumer choosing to wait for Scorpio and the other side of consumers that wants a real upgrade and chooses to wait and see what Neo has to offer in terms of tangible experiences instead of just blindly plopping down money.
Second, you make the bad assumption that MS would release another console for more than $400. They know this was a huge reason for the early move towards PS4; Scorpio, if anything, is the chance to reset Xbox as a brand; they won't repeat mistakes of the past.
only applies when using non-gaming functions
http://www.eesc.europa.eu/resources/docs/games-consoles-self-regulatory-initiative.pdf
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The Cynic in you is...special. Why would they drive anything into the ground on purpose instead of just pulling the plug. Which they won't because it's stupid. They have a lock on the game store on console. Why give that up?
PC only gamers....
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You think they'd want you to buy PC's with 500w+ power sources running OC'd top end GPUs?
The hell with that. Why should it effect anything NA when NA is the biggest market for Xbox.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
They wouldn't be moving away from it, they'd just be moving it over to PC. That would definitely keep their shareholders happy because they've shown in the past they're not keen on the console business.
Fordfx2
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This shit is getting ridiculous...stop overcharging us for consoles and under-delivering on the hardware aspect. 2-3 yrs go buy and your $400-700 is obsolete and you have to buy something new bc they throw new ploys into the mix. I think I'm done with consoles all together and just sticking to my PC. 1080 GTX im waiting for you...
Halo 3 on Xbox scorpio and PC would be interesting.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Calm down, as sangreal already said the caps only apply for non-active gaming modes, like Blu-Ray playback or navigation.
That said, EU is watching them and if they overdo it they might introduce a cap for active gaming as well at some point.
That said, EU is watching them and if they overdo it they might introduce a cap for active gaming as well at some point.
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Jesus. Not this shit again. Enjoy your $1,600 build. That's like 3 or 4 consoles.
Perfectly reasonable, if that's your priority.
Well you have to parse the difference. Were the people who hated iterative consoles the same people who don't think having more power automatically means Xbox success, compared to PS's built in advantages at this time?
presagetogood
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I'm sure you're not privy to what all shareholders feel. Furthermore, shareholders want what's best for their bottom line right now, share price increasing by shedding weight and focusing on what works because share price is about the immediate short term health. Long term vision and decision making is about the company's vision for its connection to consumers with services and its reliance on entering and staying in different market spaces. Shareholders who have cried publicly for big ol MS to just be as profitable as it can be have obviously not been the ones making decisions for years.
And yes, leaving plug and play hardware would walk away from that entire consumer Subspace, just like the PC gamers market is another consumer subspace.
Fordfx2
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You're right! And.... it'll run better than the rehashed consoles everyone will buy for many moons to come...
anothertech
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LMAO
He's still going! Carnival of insanity that guy.
everyone's not gonna buy each iteration. that's the point
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I just think it's funny that you say consoles are overpriced and you're going with an Nvidia GPU.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Kinda surprised people still think Scorpio will release 1 year after Neo.
I'd be shocked as all hell if that happened. Why would Microsoft do that? Might as well not release an upgrade at all.
Scorpio will come around the same time as Neo. 3 months later MAX. Anything more and Scorpio is DOA.
I'd be shocked as all hell if that happened. Why would Microsoft do that? Might as well not release an upgrade at all.
Scorpio will come around the same time as Neo. 3 months later MAX. Anything more and Scorpio is DOA.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Because it shows positive intent. Just drop it and fans will be 'angry', let it die while appearing to make it successful leaves them 'disappointed' but not 'angry'.
There are leaks of a slim and Scorpio so what does MS do? They tweet and wear a T-shirt that gives it validity. Why? That's surely going to make some people wait before they purchase. They offer incredible deals with the old XB1 and then drop the price to $300 just before E3 when a slim is rumoured to be announced. Why? That's surely going to annoy people who just bought the old XB1 especially if the slim is cheaper. They seem to acknowledge that a more powerful console is coming next year with that tweet and T-shirt. Why? That will surely make people wait instead of buying the old XB1 or the slim. Everything they're doing just feels counter-productive, unless the end goal is to slow console sales down and move the ecosystem over to PC.
But like I said, that's just the cynic in me. The problem is I have yet to put this into perspective from a positive stance. I am still working on that though and I haven't given up entirely.
3 months isn't going to secure Zen AND HBM2 for over PS4k having those things as well, they are going to have to wait to secure those more advanced technologies.
Of course, as someone else said, Sony's intent with PS4K sees to be an enhanced GPU for...VR capabilities, and power for gaming seems to be lower on the ladder, so that also could be a factor in not intentionally aiming high.
But i sincerely doubt they would go with a weaker CPU if they had the option of a stronger one, even if they wanted polaris and not Vega
anothertech
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Well after that AMD announcement, it's not far fetched that the Scorpio will release sooner than fall 2016 that's for sure
source?
You mean fall 2017? It's not releasing in 2-4 months.
presagetogood
Member
So you're saying that there are millions waiting to upgrade to Neo? You're saying that hardcore, early adopters haven't already made their major gaming purchase within the last 3 years?
Both Scorpio and Neo will have to work to convince buyers who weren't expecting their new hardware to suddenly be outdated, as far as less hardcore core consumers go. The casuals won't buy into this for a couple years at least, or VR and great gaming experiences will have to convince them. There will be some day 1 people lined up, but not as many as before.... Unless VR, great gaming experiences, exclusive graphics, and trade in deals are all part of the message from before day 1....
Everything is speculation. But this is what it seems to be, due to their focus on GPU resources over everything, and with their personal investment into VR.
If they just wanted to make a more powerful unit full stop and put all their focus on that, they most likely would have waited until they could get rid of Jaguar at the very least.
But they kept the Jaguars, the RAM and even are constraining devs to PS4 features, which would be meaningless if this were intended as an actual new generation type unit with devs being able to take advantage of that power in more significant ways.
Using PS4K as an extension of the PS4 in every way carries its own implications
Samurai G0SU
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If scorpio comes out and says the current games i have already will play and look better, day 1 purchase.
Perhaps many others will buy it too to play forza, rotr, ori, h5, fh, and etc at higher fidelity.
Hoping it has a uhd bluray player too. Looking for my next gaming/enterainment system to support 4k.
Perhaps many others will buy it too to play forza, rotr, ori, h5, fh, and etc at higher fidelity.
Hoping it has a uhd bluray player too. Looking for my next gaming/enterainment system to support 4k.
JeffG
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I would say if I could get it before Mass Effect, day 1. But who am I kidding. It will be day 1 regardless.
SenjutsuSage
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What I think will help Scorpio to a degree if it's every bit as powerful as suggested (especially if that later gen tech manages to get in there), while also launching an entire year after Neo, will be the fact that Sony, going first this year (if they do), might put a lot more pressure on Sony to cater to their previous console userbase. Whereas in Scorpio's case it might be held back less by this fact, as it could end up being viewed as more of a generational shift as compared to Xbox One.
Thus, Microsoft and developers might have less fear of not making a scorpio title that is also possible on xbox one. I'm sure there will be cases where that happens, but I think the pressure for such to be the case won't be quite as large as it might have been with neo. The main promise Scorpio will have to keep is making sure all xbox one games are fully playable on the platform.
Thus, Microsoft and developers might have less fear of not making a scorpio title that is also possible on xbox one. I'm sure there will be cases where that happens, but I think the pressure for such to be the case won't be quite as large as it might have been with neo. The main promise Scorpio will have to keep is making sure all xbox one games are fully playable on the platform.
rokkerkory
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Yeah will buy it too if it plays all X1 games better
gundamkyoukai
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One of the rumors was Sony wanted a better CPU but it would make the cost to higher .
MS coming out a year later means they can get better stuff cheaper .
The question going to be if the year head start that Sony going get going really hurt MS.
Especially when they refer to themselves as a devices and services business.
They want to make more hardware so they can sell their services on it
gundamkyoukai
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No one is going to make a Scorpio only titles but MS.
Even if 3rd parties drop X1 there not going drop PS4 so Scorpio would be hold back by that .
Scorpio will get better effects AA\AF, res and frame rate etc etc just like NEO .
It's the same as "MS only has halo/forza/gears"
oldergamer
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Or if you want an MS console just use your gaming PC
presagetogood
Member
Anecdotes here don't add up to evidence that upgraded consoles will be met with a lot of fanfare. That happens after the reveals for both, we can begin to see the sentiment building on each side and that would point to evidence of which console will be better liked, etc. Anecdotes right now don't amount to much because this is a forum for hardcore gamers to discuss games.... Both systems still need to be revealed before we have a truer sense of how much demand will surround each one. Even then... The presence of the cheaper base units means we will have an early last gen effect, where the base hardware become very accessible to the masses through price cuts, and concurrently, Sony and MS are satisfying the hardcore that are ready to move onto the best.
But yea, hell yea, I can't wait for upgrades on all my favorites and more. I'm ready for upgraded Halo and multiplats.
Samurai G0SU
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Well with that phil said in feburary that all xbox consoles will be backward and forward compat is making me believe it will play them better.
Most likely will ask devs if they will patch for scorpio and give a spcheel that they don't have to remaster just patch the x1 version and save money on development/porting/etc. Idk though, in just guessing and trying to see it from a money and value perspective.
Would be interesting to see them announce scorpio and say all theses games will come with a scorpio update to enhance the graphics and frame rate (like what pc users do manually)
Could range from xbox, x360 to xbox one games. I def see 1st party games doing it. They have to show off the power of scorpio someway without alienating the current users.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I have a sneaking suspicion that Scorpio will have some kind of built in method of "improving" existing Xbox One games, but Devs will also have the option to release a patch that fully takes advantage of the better hardware should they choose to.
Samurai G0SU
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Maybe turn 10's forza apex was a hint of technology to be used for other games on the scorpio? Yeah im grasping straws lmao
presagetogood
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Expectations are running high here. I'm going to keep mine in check, but damn having 360 and Xbox backwards compatibility ready from day 1 including upgraded graphics on all xb1 from day 1.... Would move a lot of needles ....
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Nothing wrong with excitement fueled speculation/hopes. All we can really do is take all the leaks/information we have and speculate based on the direction we think Microsoft are taking.
In the end, it seems Microsoft is doubling down on hardware that isn't a phone. They also have the Surface team making all hardware. Which points to the Slim being VERY Slim and Scorpio most likely being very powerful. I find it hard to believe it's pure coincidence that AMD announces a 5.5TF $199 consumer GPU within a week or so of Scorpio leaking.
Same, but it would have to be perfect compatibility to get me to buy one
Hawk269
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I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.