Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17

Collingwood said:
I have a sneaking suspicion that Scorpio will have some kind of built in method of "improving" existing Xbox One games, but Devs will also have the option to release a patch that fully takes advantage of the better hardware should they choose to.
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Without game specific patches I think the only improvement possible will be a more stable frame rate.
 
Hawk269 said:
I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.
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Not this again. Steam is not happening.
 
Hawk269 said:
I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.
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I've been hoping for this for years - don't think it'll happen though. Someone is going to swoop in with the "they won't let go of their walled garden" argument soon, just fyi (and they're probably right).
 
Hawk269 said:
I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.
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Not you too Hawk! The ghouls have roped you into their foolishness. Why on earth would they willingly support steam? They may as well light money on fire.
 
Hawk269 said:
I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.
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MS and Valve hate each other like rivals. The entire point of SteamOS was to take the monopoly out of Windows, and MS doesn't want another competitor on their platform full stop
 
Hawk269 said:
I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.
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But why?
 
Hawk269 said:
I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.
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Scorpio is a 6TF console because Microsoft needs the Scorpio to become the base model long term. They want the current Xbox One to die sooner rather than later.

A 6TF console will be capable for many years to come and can act as a base long enough to release multiple iterative upgrades that fully eradicate the launch Xbox One.
 
presagetogood said:
Wishful thinking on your part on two ends. First off, both consoles will have to fight to prove themselves necessary and worthy over the base models, and they will not convince casuals to drop money as easily as a generation that just launched 3 years ago. You won't see the kind of 1 million+ launch month of the current gen, necessarily, although it is possible, that the thirst may be there for new product. Core consumers are also not all ready to jump ship, and are going to need more incentive. There isn't that built in necessity to move on from extremely outdated hardware of last gen, especially with games like Uncharted just hitting now. Furthermore, those core consumers will be the most informed about the differences between Scorpio and Neo, if things do indeed pan out as they seem now...... so the idea that the 1 years headstart will be devastating to Scorpio has to counter against other market conditions, ie the informed consumer choosing to wait for Scorpio and the other side of consumers that wants a real upgrade and chooses to wait and see what Neo has to offer in terms of tangible experiences instead of just blindly plopping down money.

Second, you make the bad assumption that MS would release another console for more than $400. They know this was a huge reason for the early move towards PS4; Scorpio, if anything, is the chance to reset Xbox as a brand; they won't repeat mistakes of the past.
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The point is that there will be 2 PS products on the market at the same time and each outclass the Xbox. There is a potential for the OG PS to drop in price once the Neo launches. Once that happens it opens up to a broader market. If the the Neo launches at $399 this year and if the Scorpio launches at $399 next year (as you say - I'll go with it) Neo will still be in a position to drop the price when Scorpio launches. This isn't wishful thinking - this is a likely probability (with the assumptions that Neo launches this year at 399, OG PS drops in price this year and Scorpio launches next year at $399).
 
...Scatter... said:
Not you too Hawk! The ghouls have roped you into their foolishness. Why on earth would they willingly support steam? They may as well light money on fire.
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I just think that if they have a PC App, they would allow people to use it. But I also believe they will give compelling reasons for people to use the UWP. I just think that there is a huge market for a device that allows you to use both console and PC under one platform.

Yeah, it may be a far reaching idea to allow this to happen, but what would be the big negatives to MS for doing this? The goodwill they would achieve by inviting all PC players and console players under one device and a device power full enough to run games really well. Again, it may be wishful thinking and something that would not happen, but I don't see it as a impossibility.
 
Hawk269 said:
I just think that if they have a PC App, they would allow people to use it. But I also believe they will give compelling reasons for people to use the UWP. I just think that there is a huge market for a device that allows you to use both console and PC under one platform.

Yeah, it may be a far reaching idea to allow this to happen, but what would be the big negatives to MS for doing this? The goodwill they would achieve by inviting all PC players and console players under one device and a device power full enough to run games really well. Again, it may be wishful thinking and something that would not happen, but I don't see it as a impossibility.
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So take a loss on the hardware and software? Steam would love that, but zero benefit for MS. Unless they get a cut of steam and that would never happen.
 
Hawk269 said:
I just think that if they have a PC App, they would allow people to use it. But I also believe they will give compelling reasons for people to use the UWP. I just think that there is a huge market for a device that allows you to use both console and PC under one platform.

Yeah, it may be a far reaching idea to allow this to happen, but what would be the big negatives to MS for doing this? The goodwill they would achieve by inviting all PC players and console players under one device and a device power full enough to run games really well. Again, it may be wishful thinking and something that would not happen, but I don't see it as a impossibility.
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The big negative would be MS gets no money if you buy games off steam .
Also MS don't have gold on PC so there hoping to make money from there wall garden .
Good will don't mean much if you gain nothing and making the competition bigger .
 
El_Chino said:
But why?
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The potential market. The fact they can market it that it is a console and a PC and plays all PC Games. The potential for some can be huge. There are many that post in the build PC thread that are very intimidated by building a PC, if MS is able to produce a device that can do this, the potential market could be massive. I am sure there are a lot of negatives that go with this as well. But that is my reason for a "Why?".

It will have the simplicity for the those that want it since it is a console, but would offer the PC App for those that want it as well.
 
Hawk269 said:
The potential market. The fact they can market it that it is a console and a PC and plays all PC Games. The potential for some can be huge. There are many that post in the build PC thread that are very intimidated by building a PC, if MS is able to produce a device that can do this, the potential market could be massive. I am sure there are a lot of negatives that go with this as well. But that is my reason for a "Why?".

It will have the simplicity for the those that want it since it is a console, but would offer the PC App for those that want it as well.
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It would only make sense if they made a healthy profit on the hardware. Consoles dont. Again, it benefits Valve.
 
Hawk269 said:
I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.
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Why Ms would do this, by putting a Pc mode they give their users a chance of buying from another store on the pretty much only large device they can get away with locking it down.
 
krang said:
With my realistic hat on, you're right - if you limit something like Halo 6 to Scorpio you're going to severely limit who will buy it. So you have to then compromise on performance for OG XB1, such as 30fps or lower resolution: that's fine, to be honest.

However, my concern is that you hinder the ability to do things that can't be scaled like that. What if 343i wanted to do a BF scale Halo mode, but can't because of the platforms they are obliged to support?
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Then they get it on PC which seems to be the route that ms is moving towards, Windows ecosystem over hardware.
 
gundamkyoukai said:
The big negative would be MS gets no money if you buy games off steam .
Also MS don't have gold on PC so there hoping to make money from there wall garden .
Good will don't mean much if you gain nothing and making the competition bigger .
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Those are valid points and the other posters also, I think there is a lot of validity to what you guys are saying. Perhaps, the could make it where it plays all UWP games as well, so for those games that are PC Only running in UWP would be playable on the Scorpio. Based on what you guys are saying, Steam probably would not, but perhaps the partnerships they have forged with EA and allowing Origin games to be playable.
 
etta said:
I read the other day that Telltale said Windows Store has a bigger reach than Steam now and they are excited to bring their games to it. I think they said something like Windows Store has audience of 300 million and Steam only 125 million.

Here: http://mspoweruser.com/telltale-games-says-the-windows-store-offers-wider-reach-for-casual-and-first-time-gamers-than-steam-will-port-full-catalogue-there/
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Neat. Funny that no one had a Windows Phone to try it out on, lol.
 
Hawk269 said:
The potential market. The fact they can market it that it is a console and a PC and plays all PC Games. The potential for some can be huge. There are many that post in the build PC thread that are very intimidated by building a PC, if MS is able to produce a device that can do this, the potential market could be massive. I am sure there are a lot of negatives that go with this as well. But that is my reason for a "Why?".

It will have the simplicity for the those that want it since it is a console, but would offer the PC App for those that want it as well.
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That would mean something if selling the box was their end goal, it's not. Their goal is to get users to subscribe to Xbox live, purchase games from their online store or discs that they also get roaylties and so on.
 
gamz said:
It would only make sense if they made a healthy profit on the hardware. Consoles dont. Again, it benefits Valve.
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MS could still publish their exclusives in the Windows Store, just make more of them. They could also get competitive with their own sales once they reach critical mass. They could still do marketing deals for timed exclusives and DLC for the Windows Store. They could still sell accessories.

There are a lot of ways they still make money.

They have to attract a lot of users first and partnering with Steam at a deep level would likely go a long way to making the Xbox hard to resist.
 
The only way that the Xbox could run like a "PC" would be just like Windows 10 Mobile runs 'desktop' in continuum mode. Only running Windows Store Apps. They aren't gonna have Xbox run non-windows store apps. I think people need to let that Steam dream go.
 
Hockeymac18 said:
I've been hoping for this for years - don't think it'll happen though. Someone is going to swoop in with the "they won't let go of their walled garden" argument soon, just fyi (and they're probably right).
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Why would they build a device that brings them no revenue for its primary gaming purpose of people just used steam?0
 
planetsmasherx1 said:
Why would they build a device that brings them no revenue for its primary gaming purpose of people just used steam?0
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Also steam are not MS users.... Those users, their data , their livelihoods, the way they exist, belongs to steam. Ultimately being connected to someone's ecosystem is a way for that company to cross promote other services and devices they offer. They want you using Xbox live and windows marketplace so that you stay with Windows and so that they have a gateway into your life. They don't care if you also use steam because that is a choice that is out there, but they're not going to use their own device to promote your usage and time spent on a service not of their own... Especially when they generally sell hardware at losses or heavily subsidize pricing.
 
presagetogood said:
Also steam are not MS users.... Those users, their data , their livelihoods, the way they exist, belongs to steam. Ultimately being connected to someone's ecosystem is a way for that company to cross promote other services and devices they offer. They want you using Xbox live and windows marketplace so that you stay with Windows and so that they have a gateway into your life. They don't care if you also use steam because that is a choice that is out there, but they're not going to use their own device to promote your usage and time spent on a service not of their own... Especially when they generally sell hardware at losses or heavily subsidize pricing.
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They are never going to force people to buy Xbox live on PC. This is a pipe dream and it's not going to happen unless they charge for operating system upgrades and that's one thing you don't want.
 
I can't help but laugh that there are people who think there is even slightly chance of Microsoft bringing steam on their console. lol
 
Hawk269 said:
I still think/believe that the reason Scorpio is projected to be a 6tf system is that it will also be a PC and be capable of playing PC games, using Steam etc. It will have a PC App that launches full blown W10 and allow you to use it as a PC with all functions a PC has. In Non-PC mode it will run like a current console, albeit a lot better because of the improved specs.
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I would be all over this, but it ain't happening.
 
planetsmasherx1 said:
They are never going to force people to buy Xbox live on PC. This is a pipe dream and it's not going to happen unless they charge for operating system upgrades and that's one thing you don't want.
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They have already figured out a way to integrate users on PC towards Xbox live and it's by offering it for free. The few millions in revenue they would gain per month doesn't compare to the ill will cemented in people like you who see the value in other services. They would rather create bridges towards counting you as someone who accesses their systems and software, and try to integrate you as a free user for more in depth things like Xbox live. Of course they can't charge for it on PC and I sure as hell wasn't making that argument.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Everything is speculation. But this is what it seems to be, due to their focus on GPU resources over everything, and with their personal investment into VR.
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Yeah, in order to promote your VR product there's anything better than launching it with a new powerful and yet expensive sku that's gonna steal the spotlight from the said VR device.


Samurai G0SU said:
Most likely will ask devs if they will patch for scorpio and give a spcheel that they don't have to remaster just patch the x1 version and save money on development/porting/etc. Idk though, in just guessing and trying to see it from a money and value perspective.
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How could you possibly save money releasing free patches? Remakes/remasters make money, free patches don't.
 
Obscuritas said:
Yeah, in order to promote your VR product there's anything better than launching it with a new powerful and yet expensive sku that's gonna steal the spotlight from the said VR device.





How could you possibly save money releasing free patches? Remakes/remasters make money, free patches don't.
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Ppl will buy the version already avail for the new system. Or rebuy it. You know... What happens today with bc. Ahem red dead and cod bo1.... You save money versus making a full remaster/remake. Thats what im saying or am i wrong to look at that info that way? Lol
 
Obscuritas said:
Yeah, in order to promote your VR product there's anything better than launching it with a new powerful and yet expensive sku that's gonna steal the spotlight from the said VR device.
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??? They were going to do that anyway. Its a peripheral, and Neo is not required for it, just a better solution
 
The console is going to be a PC. Fully integrated.

It will run Steam. Just like your Windows10 computer at home does.

Those that think it will not be are fooling yourselves. There will be no more Xbox exclusives.
 
Got to agree with the guys that think they will put steam on Xbox. If steam on Xbox ppl will never buy games from MS. They make most the xbox money off of subs and I guess since there is no HW loss on W10 the money just from digital sales are pretty good
 
Steam on Xbox?

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anothertech said:
The console is going to be a PC. Fully integrated.

It will run Steam. Just like your Windows10 computer at home does.

Those that think it will not be are fooling yourselves. There will be no more Xbox exclusives.
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Just because it's on PC too doesn't mean it's still not an Xbox exclusive.

If a game is on Xbox One and PC but not on PS4 it is still a console exclusive.
 
oldergamer said:
nope. no chance.
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Microsoft turned Surface into a billion dollar a quarter business without the Windows Store and even dropped the Surface RT that had access only to the Windows Store. They also grew Azure significantly since they opened it up to work with just about everything. They grew Office 365 since making it accessible on all OS.

They very well could be working on ways to make the gaming/TV console more open, but still easy to use, in order to lure in more Windows platform users. I'm not counting out the possibility they make it a small-form Windows 10 PC, with optional settings to make it Windows Store only or access only certain sites so that parents can control what their kids access.

As for revenue, nothing is stopping them from making Games with Gold like EA/Origin Access but with MS first-party games to keep growing Live subscriptions and Windows Store usage. Then they still have new first-party game sales and DLC transactions, as well as a cut of the digital third-party sales through their own store plus royalties of off of disc sales. Then there are accessory sales. All of that is before sales of non-game stuff in the Windows Store that would no doubt increase as more casuals adopted it.

They could eventually compete with Steam on digital discounts once the Windows Store reaches critical mass in games, apps, movies/TV, etc. What's stopping them from doing timed releases and digital store exclusives to lure more gamers to using the Windows Store? There would no doubt be some folks who adopt both.

It seems silly to me to not try to leverage one of the strongest reasons gamers choose Windows.
 
anothertech said:
The console is going to be a PC. Fully integrated.

It will run Steam. Just like your Windows10 computer at home does.

Those that think it will not be are fooling yourselves. There will be no more Xbox exclusives.
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Joke post?
 
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