darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
I think for a while they will force devs to do crossgen support for normal games and VR only on Scorpio, then after a year or so leave it up to devs what to do.
Polygon: Xbox Scorpio will be a ~6 TFLOP system (v PS4K's 4.14), unveil soon, Fall 17
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I think for a while they will force devs to do crossgen support for normal games and VR only on Scorpio, then after a year or so leave it up to devs what to do.
wapplew
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4 years per gen is kinda norm for Xbox, just that 4x power increase is disappointing for new? Gen.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Both consoles came out 2013. And on both we already see sacrifices, especially with XboxOne.
Im really happy about this Upgrades.
If most of the power goes towards resolution differences, it makes some sense. The same way we are seeing the current power gap being used for typically 900p vs 1080p, we could see the power gap being used for the same thing with Scorpio vs Neo. And in that situation, power is relative.
Ditto with VR. PSVR is lower resoution than Oculus, so much of the power difference would be mitigated by the Xbox Scorpio having to render higher resolution images. Obviously that's better, but that limits how much power Scorpio has for more advanced rendering techniques.
3 years if Neo hits this fall
Please tell me this was generated by a computer and not a real person. This is both embarrassing and entertaining.
Chobel
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So Sony will start pushing for PS4K against Scorpio and ignore PS4 is what you're saying. Doesn't that pretty much means Sony is effectively starting with a new gen?
crazygambit
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Wasn't it that a regular die shrink ala PS3 to PS3 slim wasn't possible with the current architecture and since they had to redesign the chip anyways making it more powerful would cost essentially the same?
At least that's what I read somewhere. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
HomerSimpson-Man
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The loss of the "loss leader" approach certainly has massive effect on that. The days of buying the latest console tech under manufacturing costs at launch seems to be gone.
Lmao. Man I can't with you damn fanboys anymore. What a shit show.
What did you eat?
I think the word you are looking for is "digress".
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Either way, I honestly don't care if the Xbox is more powerful than the PlayStation...I'm more interested in cross-play/cross-buy and games that I can play on my future PC as well as my current xbox and scorpio xbox. Already talked to the fiancé about the new xbox and we want another xbox for the bedroom (she loves Kinect...when it works for her...haha) so not having to "throw out" my current xbox and play games on both systems with no worries is godsend. Also, I can wait a little bit longer to get the scorpio if I don't have the money but I can still get the games (just as I could with a PC) at a lesser performant product and that's fine by me.
We'll see what happens but to me, the most exciting thing about the Xbox is the Windows Store App availability. That really changes things that I think people don't really realize. But that's my opinion.
ProvenDeadly
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Are there any rumors on price? Also I highly doubt any of the new consoles will be getting games exclusively developed for them unless it's specifically VR.
MilkyJoe
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I mean release to today is about 2 1/2 years
And I am happy too. Just amazed they didnt last so long
I seem to be in a rare minority of those who are excited for the new Xbox despite being a day one buyer of the Xbox one.
And digest?
Honestly? My experience is that the xbox one users i know on this forum seems to be slightly more interested in the tech of the systems than the larger group of ps4 users. (totally just my feeling though) Also Microsoft has less to lose with this than sony does...they haven't sold anywhere close to the 40 million sony has
Price is not gonna be known for the Scorpio until much closer to release.
Freeman
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I must be insane, it only makes sense to look at the relative difference. Using the logic some are using here, you could say the difference between a MegaDrive and a SNES was non existent since it was lesser than 0.5TFLOP or whatever.
People making fun of me while failing to grasp the most basic concept. We need a Polygon pie chart to clear things up.
To make it as clearly as possible look at the difference between what a XB1 and a PS4 can achieve and a GTX 1080, even that doesn't produce as big of a difference as you would expect give how game made to work on more humble systems.
That makes no sense. 500 will be relatively close to 1000 if you put it next to 1 billion.
People making fun of me while failing to grasp the most basic concept. We need a Polygon pie chart to clear things up.
To make it as clearly as possible look at the difference between what a XB1 and a PS4 can achieve and a GTX 1080, even that doesn't produce as big of a difference as you would expect give how game made to work on more humble systems.
That makes no sense. 500 will be relatively close to 1000 if you put it next to 1 billion.
HomerSimpson-Man
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I'll be honest, since potential success of Neo and Scorpio just means to validate the iterate console approach to generations, if you really if want a more powerful console than the other guys due to favoring one brand over the other you just wait for the next model, and the next, and the next, etc.
In short someone is always going to be behind the other with switching back an forth releases.
In short someone is always going to be behind the other with switching back an forth releases.
Dee Dah Dave
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To some extent yes, I think Sony will push the Neo as the primary product, fueled in part with the need to compete with the Scorpio from a hardware perspective.
The difference though is that it seems Sony's idea is to just make games that are compatible with both. Whereas I don't think Microsoft will do that, again beyond an initial transition year or so.
The Neo is 'just' a PS4 Pro, where the Scorpio is the Xbox 4. That's what I think will happen.
Phil Spencer has already said that he "doesn't like the idea of an Xbox One.5".
Samurai G0SU
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Someone just make a bar graph thatll settle it all!!!!!
thatll settle it all!!!!!supernormal
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I can only speak for myself as day one buyer for both consoles but I'm actually not apprehensive at all to these upgrades. I would also assume that other's like me would have got more mileage out of their devices than more recent adopters. I've already own close to 60 games on my PS4 and 20 on my Xbox (more than twice of the games I had last gen) and since these new machines will have seamless BC they'll be more than welcome in that regard.
ProvenDeadly
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I'm just curious if they will be trying to sell an expensive machine or learn from their mistakes of last gen.
I think the logic is there at least.
Most (rational) Xbox one owners probably understand that the system itself is underpowered and is held back by decisions for its design that didn't pan out.
Combine that with the opinion that exclusives that have released for the system have been pretty good for most of us, as well as the fact that the OG Xbox only had 4 years of life before being replaced by the 360...
And that might explain the different reaction your seeing between audiences.
Bitch Pudding
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We don't know that yet. But the main differentiator from my point of few is an exclusive games library. If XBOX Scorpio has exclusive (non-VR!) games, then it's a new generation. If it shares the same games with XBOX One, it's just a beefed up SKU of the old generation.
Seriously asking, any other ideas how to differentiate this?
Curse you, auto-correction...And digest?
We saw two generational leaps so far, one 4 years, one 7. Why's 4 the norm?
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
With that addon that is supposed to turn any PC into an Xbox I wonder if they will offer the possibility to turn every Xbox into a PC. Combined with an iterative model and revisions every three or four years that might be an actual gold mine.
SaucyJack
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Is it really?
They're on their 3rd console. The first was a short generation 4 years (2001-05) for a variety of reasons and the second was 8 years (2005-13). How does that make 4 years "the norm"?
Scorpio is still a rumour, it's not clear whether it's a new gen or an incremental release and we don't know when it's coming.
More people are happy about Xbox because it needs it more than the PS4. PS4 people are also upset because some of them were probably interested in PSVR as well, which is what $599 (or $499 if you have the camera and move sticks already)? Now they are also faced with an upgrade path for the PS4. They'll have to sacrifice one if they wanted both or dish out $1000.
ProvenDeadly
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I get the feeling that MS may go the IPhone route, as we see with Windows. It's just a platform and everything is compatible.
It's not a new gen. UWP will still allow devs to "just" scale their games for the respective consoles. Phil wants to make the move big, yes, but it would be unwise to just "leave" the Xbox One with 20 mil+ customers. Those customers aren't going to move that fast and neither are developers. I don't know why you think that MS is just going to leave the Xbox One behind. Marketing wise, yes (and it makes sense to do so) but in actuality, it's just another device in the Windows 10 family. They just stopped production of the Xbox 360, and they are releasing a slim version of the Xbox One this year, why would they just leave after a year or two on the market? When the XBO Slim eventually gets to $199, they are going to sell a boatload of consoles (just as is the PS4). There's nothing wrong with the console. There won't be a "new gen"...just upgrades. Those upgrades seems to be "big upgrades"
Then all that power in it won't be utilized till maybe the xbox 5
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
There is no way they are selling it for more than $399.
MilkyJoe
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I'm pretty sure that Phil said forwards Backwards compatible in his mid gen upgrade speech.
How many xbones are in the wild? 20 million? No way are they not being catered for.
Do you think the upcoming slim will have an upgrade?
SenjutsuSage
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JayhawkerStL
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I seem to be in a rare minority of those who are excited for the new Xbox despite being a day one buyer of the Xbox one.
And digest?
Same here. I've loved the evolution of the console since launch, and a new box that is Phil Spencer's vision of what the XB1 should have been should be pretty cool.
I personally don't think that it will, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did upgrade it. I think the Slim will have more space in it and be a smaller unit so it can warrant the price that it starts with.
PeregrinSe7en
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Ladies and gentlemen, I welcome you all to next gen console wars.
loved that movie
i find that funny coming from you btw
ProvenDeadly
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I haven't read into what is going into the Scorpio but I'm assuming that Ms will be selling this thing at a loss then?
ProvenDeadly
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Maybe there will be a split team for devs like there was for 360/one? I understand your point but abandoning 20 million users in the midst of the One's prime is kind of insane.
Mixolydian
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IIRC, the slim will be the unit with the new WIFI chip. I believe that will be the only upgrade to speak of.
Journey
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Yea, I think it will have newer parts in it...but I don't think any GPU/CPU upgrades will happen significantly.
Dinky Dino
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Pretty sure nothing is solid until we get confirmation of it being mass produced.
It'd be funny if neither release one since they're too busy trying to get an advantage over the other.
Though it depends on what the upgrade is exactly for.
Looking at things, sony can easily keep the status quo and release around the same time as the new xbox if they want to keep the power difference tight which would benefit them. But I think the reports said it was releasing earlier as soon as end year or Q1 2017. Which makes me believe it's meant for psvr. Why else would they do it since things are going fine as it is.
Dee Dah Dave
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The smaller market share of the XB1 is primarily made up of core Xbox fans, most of which are adults with disposable income. I'm sure the majority will be quite happy to move on to a much better machine, and that's what Microsoft will want.
They aren't going to put the effort into releasing a machine with a 6TF GPU, better CPU and RAM, only to hamstring it by having to stay in line with a product that has cost them dearly.
Designing Halo 6 around the XB1 when you have this new beastly Xbox to work with? Please.
The XB1 slim will serve as an interim product to keep them ticking over until Scorpio's launch. Then afterwards be a cheap alternative to play the back catalogue and new games like COD, FIFA and Indies. As usual. They aren't going to sell a boat load of them at any price, not when there's 4+ better alternatives out there in Scorpio, Neo, PS4 and NX.
I could of course be wrong but I doubt it.
I know there's a lot of sarcasm here, but I haven't been able to keep uo with the thread. Do we really know PS4K using the 480 now?
Edit: Never mind. I see the thread.
Freeman
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Something is wrong with that quote.
you got a source for the bolded?
DF is saying its using the new 12nm chipset and specifically says it isn't referring to clock speed or TFs. People who don't understand GPUs are still whiffing hard over that thread. Nothing has changed regarding it being rumored at ~4.5TFs.The actual RX480 is clocked higher.
I Reclaim3mer 117
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This can't be a serious post right? You're basing your analysis on no facts? I think Microsoft has had enough humble pie about 720p and being the least place to buy multi platform games to know better then come out with another under power system.
Computer
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I am curious about the partnership with MS and Oculus. Oculus may help cover some of the development cost considering they could sell a lot of headsets along with the new console.