All current LCD tech makes compromises. IPS has fairly lack-luster contrast ratio. Durante's probably going to say he prefers the picture produced by VA panels.
G-Sync is the god-level gaming upgrade.
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All current LCD tech makes compromises. IPS has fairly lack-luster contrast ratio. Durante's probably going to say he prefers the picture produced by VA panels.
Durante is a well known VA advocate
SolidSnakeUS
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Can't remember the positives and negatives of VA though.
Durante is a well known VA advocate
Hmm, I remember reading VA had the worst input latency of any panel, has that changed? I use a 1440p 60z IPS for videos/casual games and 144hz TN panel for competitive gaming (CSGO, etc).
Waiting for something with a better picture than TN, 144hz, minimal input latency. In the comparisons I'm seeing, IPS is still far ahead of VA panels in color reproduction. Does anyone have sources on the contrast ratios between IPS and VA so I can see how close they are in that regard (comparison thread type thing)?
Nesmaster75
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Thanks for the response back! I mostly game on my desktop anyways so I guess the 1 ms response time would be nice, especially since I mostly play online games like Overwatch, Rocket League, etc. What happens once I download the icc profile? Does it just automatically apply to the monitor?
I noticed on the Amazon review page for the Dell the top post calibrated his settings. Should I follow that once I download the profile?
Gemüsepizza
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While this might look good at first glance, I would strongly advise against it. For several reasons:
1. It is true that DisplayPort 1.4, which this monitor will use, allows for 4K and 144hz (and even higher). But a much more interesting combination, which is now possible for the first time, is 4K + HDR + 120hz. This will probably be the holy grail of displays, and much more future proof than a simple 4K 144hz display. Such a 4K/HDR/120hz display will probably also feature the new HDMI 2.1, which supports dynamic HDR metadata and improves HDR content considerably if you want to connect an Ultra HD Blu-ray player (with HDMI 2.1 support) to it.
2. Current GPUs already struggle with 4K 60 fps. I don't think this will change this year, and that's why imo such a display doesn't make much sense at this time. But next year, the nvidia 1080Ti and AMD Vega will be released. And while they also won't be able to run all the newest games at 4K 120 fps, they might be able to run quite a few select games at 4K 80 fps or similar. And from what I know, HDR does not cost any performance. So you basically get a much better image for free. Imo it makes much more sense to wait until then and buy GPU / display at the same time. This means you will also have more options when it suddenly might turn out that either AMD or nvidia has the best GPU this time.
3. This monitor will be horribly overpriced, and imo they need to demonstrate first that they have fixed their quality control issues. A 4K/HDR/120hz display (non-OLED) will probably be available for a similar price in 2017, because I don't see how they could increase prices even further.
Prophet Steve
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IPS glow is a thing. It looks like non-uniform light blots on a monitor with dark images. And the contrast ratio is not good.
The new monitors sound cool, but I just wished for an improved version of the current 1440P/165Hz monitor with VA instead of IPS and less quality issues.
VA has far better contrast ratios than TN or IPS, but often does not respond as quickly as either. It typically suffers from off-centre contrast shift.
I asked earlier but any sources for the contrast ratios, something like a monitor comparison thread with stats? Hard to believe the contrast ratio is "not good" compared to TN panels but yeah, I'd love to see an actual numeric comparison of the contrast ratios across some different models. I've been seeing a lot of posts saying the contrast ratio comparison are exaggerated (I've seen the color comparisons myself, IPS the obvious winner still). I've been waiting for 2-3 years (since I got the 1440p IPS + 144hz TN combo) for a single monitor that does it all but it's not out there yet it seems.
As far as IPS glow, all of the images I've seen look like standard backli/edgelit bleed. I don't have any glow (that I notice atm, could be blissful ignorance) at the distance I sit (Shimian QH270) but can you link a picture of IPS glow that isn't just backlighting problems?
Might as well ask if you could provide a comparison also, I only need one person to reply
I haven't been able to find a good comparison thread via google and I don't prefer to blindly trust the manufacturer's statistics.edit: I'm surprised to see a lot of people online preferring VA over IPS for the contrast ratio. To me, the gap between VA and IPS seems much smaller in the contrast ratio than in color reproduction.
Dunno if it's "a lot of people". In fact we're all putting words in Durante's mouth tbh. =)
You don't need to rely on manufacturers and should not. I recommend tftcentral.co.uk for monitor reviews. This is their review of a VA monitor from Eizo where they record that it has contrast ratio nearly 5 times greater than IPS or TN displays.
You don't need to rely on manufacturers and should not. I recommend tftcentral.co.uk for monitor reviews. This is their review of a VA monitor from Eizo where they record that it has contrast ratio nearly 5 times greater than IPS or TN displays.
blankempathy
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I followed nvidia's guide. It even has a link on there to tftcentral where i downloaded my profile.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/how-to-calibrate-your-monitor
That top post seems to just have adjust the settings manually without the profile downloaded.
Sorry, I meant a lot of people across various sites, I see how it reads now though. I had been trying to read up on the current models.
Yeah, as people posted above I'm not a huge fan of IPS since the contrast ratio / black level even on the best IPS panels used in monitors isn't much better than TN. IPS generally tops out around 1100:1 at best, while even mid-level VA screens routinely reach 3000:1 measured static contrast ratios.
Personally, the things I do on my monitor are primarily browsing the internet, programming, gaming, and consuming media. At least 2 of those benefit heavily from better contrast ratio and black level, and none of them are at all affected by the slight off-center gamma shift that is really the only drawback of modern VA over IPS.
Personally, the things I do on my monitor are primarily browsing the internet, programming, gaming, and consuming media. At least 2 of those benefit heavily from better contrast ratio and black level, and none of them are at all affected by the slight off-center gamma shift that is really the only drawback of modern VA over IPS.
d00d3n
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For example, see this review of the Predator Z35 (my current display).
I don't know about the input latency thing, although current VA displays seem to have issues running at higher refresh rates than 120hz (see the review I linked to). So if you definitely want 144hz, and intend to go even higher than that, VA displays are not the best choice? (please correct me if that is lousy advice)
I'm about to pull the trigger on the Dell in preparation for my 1070. I can also use it with my 670 on overwatch and rocket league in the meantime which is pretty cool. Anyone have a reason I should wait or get another monitor? IPS doesn't interest me much. Just making sure since $550 is a pretty hefty price for me.
Nesmaster75
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Just purchased the Dell myself after doing a ton of research on gsync monitors for over a month. Should be here Thursday according to Amazon. I'll post an update then!
matrix-cat
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So is an Acer XB270HU still a good buy in the 144Hz, 1440p, G-Sync IPS realm? Australian Ebay is doing a 20% off promotion right now, so I can get an XB270HU for $800 AU (for comparison, an Asus PG279Q is $1232 at best). Are we likely to see any new competitors come out of Computex, or is that pretty much it?
I'm reading all kinds of quality control horror stories about the Asus, but then I'm sure I could find the same ones about the Acer if I looked, too. I'm upgrading from a 1920x1200 24" that I've had for eight years now, so I'm trying to control this itchy trigger finger
I'm reading all kinds of quality control horror stories about the Asus, but then I'm sure I could find the same ones about the Acer if I looked, too. I'm upgrading from a 1920x1200 24" that I've had for eight years now, so I'm trying to control this itchy trigger finger
flipswitch
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I upgraded from 1200p too ( Dell ultrasharp u2410) to an Acer xb271hu last week from scorptec. Zero issues so far.
Found this on another forum,
Acer X34P
Pictures: https://imgur.com/a/Lw8CX
"It looks like it's using the new LG34UC98/88's panel which might yield less BLB, and possibly DP1.3 as someone hinted after a conversation with an Acer rep at Computex. It also has a matte finish, so people who held out on the X34 because of its complaints might find a winner in the X34P."
Acer X34P
Pictures: https://imgur.com/a/Lw8CX
"It looks like it's using the new LG34UC98/88's panel which might yield less BLB, and possibly DP1.3 as someone hinted after a conversation with an Acer rep at Computex. It also has a matte finish, so people who held out on the X34 because of its complaints might find a winner in the X34P."
dangerskew
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I would say it's still a good buy. XB270HU's made in October 2015 or later will actually run at 165Hz, and Acer seems to have improved the QC in recent months. Only issue I have with mine (bought in December) is a tiny (1-2px sized) flaw in the anti-glare coating that I only see if I look really hard for it on a pure white screen.So is an Acer XB270HU still a good buy in the 144Hz, 1440p, G-Sync IPS realm? Australian Ebay is doing a 20% off promotion right now, so I can get an XB270HU for $800 AU (for comparison, an Asus PG279Q is $1232 at best). Are we likely to see any new competitors come out of Computex, or is that pretty much it?
I'm reading all kinds of quality control horror stories about the Asus, but then I'm sure I could find the same ones about the Acer if I looked, too. I'm upgrading from a 1920x1200 24" that I've had for eight years now, so I'm trying to control this itchy trigger finger
Sutton Dagger
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Is it possible that gsync (or something similar) will ever be incorporated into TV's. The push for comfy couch gaming is missing some of these much needed features.
Johan Liebert
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Anyone have the Acer Predator X34? Any impressions on it?
GatticusFinch
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I do. Expensive, but no regrets. I love it. Ditched my dual monitor setup for it.
michaelius
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Haven't see it posted yet but Asus annouced 240Hz monitor
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles...their_rog_swift_pg258q_240hz_gaming_monitor/1
1080p and 25" is pretty meh but still tftcentral review will be interesting to see how fast this panel is.
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles...their_rog_swift_pg258q_240hz_gaming_monitor/1
1080p and 25" is pretty meh but still tftcentral review will be interesting to see how fast this panel is.
Johan Liebert
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Close to ordering one myself. Would you recommend it for single 980Ti setup?
If you're buying new, might as well wait for the X34P to drop the price maybe?
Nesmaster75
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Reset your nvidia color settings and get a ics profile made by the nice guys at ocnet with their hardware calibrators, there's a few on there. All panels are different and should be calibrated separately, but the results are close enough, better than eyeballing it.
The one linked needs 20bright 74contrast 97/99/100rbg in the osd.
The stock calibration on these monitors is atrocious.
Nesmaster75
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Just used those settings for the OSD, thanks. I notice the profile that the user "yellows" linked isn't available to download anymore. Is there a profile you would recommend using for this monitor? Appreciate the response back by the way! Just kind of underwhelmed with the color of the monitor out of the box. :/
It still works, just tried. You have to login to dl it. I can reupload it too if you like.
Yeah, it's almost unusable at stock. The profile makes a world of difference. Just make sure to activate gsync borderless window mode and play your games in borderless windowed to make .icm profiles work in em.
Nesmaster75
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Oh ok, didn't know that. Just downloaded his profile and followed the GeForce Garage link to use it as the default and it looks better. Gonna mess around in some games for a bit to see how I like it. Thanks for the help!
matrix-cat
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Thanks, I just took the plunge and I'm feeling good about it. I'll be getting a 1070GTX as soon as I can find one for about $600 AU, so in a couple of months' time (hopefully) I'll be living it up in the 1440p high framerate future
I noticed that Acer has a new range of curved VA monitors coming out soon, the Predator Z1, which I thought I might wait for, but it seems like they're all only 1080p (or the 21:9 equivalent), so that's a nope for me.
nextgeneration
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I don't think those exist, as I'm looking for the same.
The last VA panel I had suffered from crushed blacks, is this the gamma-shift you mentioned? Because I could not stand that look and will take worse contrast ratio and IPS glow any day over that.
I would rather see that we have nothing but variable refresh rate as it solves the issue really well. But first this vendor GPU specific implementation bullshit needs to go away so I can use an AMD card with G-Sync or Nvidia with Freesync.
Exciting news indeed, I've been hoping for something like this to be released next year along with the 1080 Ti which will hopefully be enough to run well at that resolution. That said, 27" seems a bit small for that and while it's a size that fits well into ones field of view, I'd probably go for 30" 16:9 for 4K instead as those pixels are pretty tiny so you'd maybe need less scaling.
No, general crushed blacks are not the gamma shift I mentioned (that only occurs at off angles). It's also not a problem which is inherent in modern VA panels, just one which occurred with some of them.
Prophet Steve
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I asked earlier but any sources for the contrast ratios, something like a monitor comparison thread with stats? Hard to believe the contrast ratio is "not good" compared to TN panels but yeah, I'd love to see an actual numeric comparison of the contrast ratios across some different models. I've been seeing a lot of posts saying the contrast ratio comparison are exaggerated (I've seen the color comparisons myself, IPS the obvious winner still). I've been waiting for 2-3 years (since I got the 1440p IPS + 144hz TN combo) for a single monitor that does it all but it's not out there yet it seems.
As far as IPS glow, all of the images I've seen look like standard backli/edgelit bleed. I don't have any glow (that I notice atm, could be blissful ignorance) at the distance I sit (Shimian QH270) but can you link a picture of IPS glow that isn't just backlighting problems?
Might as well ask if you could provide a comparison also, I only need one person to reply
edit: I'm surprised to see a lot of people online preferring VA over IPS for the contrast ratio. To me, the gap between VA and IPS seems much smaller in the contrast ratio than in color reproduction.
I never compared the contrast ratios to TN, but they are worse than VA.
It is difficult to see the difference between IPS Glow and backlight bleeding on a picture, IPS glow depends more on your angle.
You're just seeing what a native 45 fps looks like without judder and stutter due to trying to view 45fps at 60hz
Try seeing what 45fps looks like without gsync active.
It's normal, 45 fps is still 45 fps after all, G-Sync won't make your framerate magically look better. 45 fps will look a lot better than on a regular monitor of course (because you'll have to deal with either tearing or judder), but it's not as smooth as 60. I'd say that G-Sync works best in the 50-70 range. Below that and you do start to notice that your framerate is clearly below 60 (although again of course still much better than on a regular monitor).
camequipped
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Finally caved and ordered an ACER XB271hu. Here's hoping I get a good panel and can't wait to try out g-sync.
Ethics Gradient
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Right now I have a Qnix 27" overlocked to about 110Hz. The difference is pretty amazing coming from 60Hz.
Has anyone compared OC-ed or 120Hz monitors without gsync to those with? Is the difference noticeable?
I've read mixed opinions.
Has anyone compared OC-ed or 120Hz monitors without gsync to those with? Is the difference noticeable?
I've read mixed opinions.
Nyteshade517
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Anyone here that purchased the Acer Predator XB241H?
Trying to find out how it is...seems to be relatively new so there's not a lot of info so far (things seem positive though that I can find)
Trying to find out how it is...seems to be relatively new so there's not a lot of info so far (things seem positive though that I can find)