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http://abcnews.go.com/International...elect-urges-public-kill-drug-dealers-39618246

The Philippine president-elect has encouraged the public to help him in his war against crime, urging citizens with guns to shoot and kill drug dealers who resist arrest and fight back in their neighborhoods.

"Please feel free to call us, the police, or do it yourself if you have the gun — you have my support," Duterte said, warning of an extensive illegal drug trade that involves even the country's police.

If a drug dealer resists arrest or refuses to be brought to a police station and threatens a citizen with a gun or a knife, "you can kill him," Duterte said. "Shoot him and I'll give you a medal."

The 71-year-old Duterte won the May 9 presidential election on a bold promise to end crime and corruption within six months of the start of his presidency. That vow resonated among crime-weary Filipinos, though police officials considered it campaign rhetoric that was impossible to accomplish.

Duterte, a longtime Davao mayor, has been suspected of playing a role in many killings of suspected criminals in his city by motorcycle-riding assassins known as the "Davao death squads," but human rights watchdogs say he has not been criminally charged because nobody has dared to testify against him in court.

In his speech on Saturday, Duterte asked three police generals based in the main national police camp in the capital to resign for involvement in crimes that he did not specify. He threatened to humiliate them in public if they did not quit and said he would order a review of dismissed criminal cases of active policemen, suggesting some may have bribed their way back onto the force.

"If you're still into drugs, I will kill you, don't take this as a joke. I'm not trying to make you laugh, son of a bitch, I will really kill you," Duterte said to loud jeers and applause.

The foul-mouthed former government prosecutor said crimes were committed by law enforcers because of "extreme greed and extreme need." He said that he would provide a small amount to an officer who was tempted because his wife has cancer or a mother died, but that those who would break the law because of extreme greed "will also be dealt with by me. I'll have you killed."

In suburban Las Pinas city in the Manila metropolis, police have apprehended more than 100 minors who defied a night curfew, and men who were either having drinking sprees in public or roaming around shirtless in violation of a local ordinance. The crackdown was dubbed "Oplan Rody" — after Duterte's nickname — or "Rid the Streets of Drinkers and Youth."

I'm pro-Duterte, by the way.

 

[AgentChris]

The Purge is real. I would just invest in more police in these neighborhoods.

 

[trembli0s]

I think the U.S. election season seems insane and then I read stories about Brazil, the Philippines, and the occasional Euro-wankery.

We live in trying times.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

State-sponsored vigilantes and a complete abandonment of due process, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[chefbags]

The Purge is real. I would just invest in more police in these neighborhoods.

It might as well be a movie called The Purge: After the Election lol

 

[Spoiled Milk]

This guy is extremely popular among my Filipino friends. Sounds like a tough leader but it's who they want. Overall they seem to have great culture.

It's about as bad as Trump v. Clinton. Some people are appalled but others welcome the change. People who read one or two quotes and don't think about it in the context of crime-ridden, corrupt Philippines just won't understand.

The Purge is real. I would just invest in more police in these neighborhoods.

The police are corrupt.

 

[Extra Sauce]

You can't defeat savagery with savagery.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

You can't defeat savagery with savagery.

Actually, Davao has been the safest city in the Philippines for decades. Also, crime was non-existent in Franco's regime in Spain because there was practically a machine gun on every corner.

I mean, human rights abuses are bad, but authoritarianism can lead to public safety.

 

[MMarston]

The Purge is real. I would just invest in more police in these neighborhoods.

Well, when you have a country whose police are regularly corrupt fuck-ups, it's a lose-lose situation.

 

[dreamcastmaster]

Things will change as soon as they realise drug dealers are just sattisfying demand, not creating it.

 

[Brinbe]

You know you don't have to kill anyone, right? Jesus. My fellow Filipinos need to grow up out of his stupidly adolescent mindset and seek to change the real institutional problems at hand instead of having state-sponsored death squads march about everywhere. Just seeking the quick fix instead of doing the hard work as always.

 

[Purkake4]

When the police are involved in these crimes?

I will never advocate death squads, but it's not like they have the option to just be like, "oh hey existing totally not corrupt cops, we'll just give you more manpower! That's what we were missing all along!"

Look at good examples of police reform, Georgia (the country) for example.

 

[Parch]

State-sponsored vigilantes and a complete abandonment of due process, what could possibly go wrong?

Even the wild west had due process. Allowing this level of self-righteousness is just encouraging abuse and anarchy.

 

[MMarston]

You know you don't have to kill anyone, right? Jesus. My fellow Filipinos need to grow up out of his stupidly adolescent mindset and seek to change the real institutional problems at hand instead of having state-sponsored death squads march about everywhere. Just seeking the quick fix instead of doing the hard work as always.

This should ideally be the case, but given the amount of shit the country has been hit with - at least, considering all my life experience back there up to the point when I left - this sort of drastic whiplash was totally inevitable as well as the scary repercussions of it.

 

[Sun Bather]

You can't defeat savagery with savagery.

Sadly that has proven to actually work in the Philippines before.

Cebu was also doing better under the rule of Tomas Osmena (also supporter of Duterte), who is also now back in charge, a man who is also known for paying off people for vigilante killings. Crime went down a hell lot. I've met Osmena a few times and even went out for dinner with him once, and he does seem like he genuinely wants the best for the place. Still feel extremely uncomfortable with the way he rules, but it does seem to actually work. It's insane though, and I do not trust the police force there of any places to handle out justice well. There's families on the streets everywhere, and general extreme poverty. For the people trying to live their lives lawfully while going to bed hungry while working every single day of the week, the choice of Duterte is obvious. They do not want to waste money on criminals and such, but rather have the money go to all the other areas that also really needs it.

Human rights is not something that is a big concern in the Philippines, and the whole country is corrupt to the bone. Everything from police officers, to immigration office workers, who will stand at the local mall every Sunday with their immigration stamps, handing it out for half the price on the black market. I do not agree with Duterte or Osmena, but it's easy to see why the public would vote for them, especially when the other options have shown to be corrupt and waste public money for their own good time after time.

 

[sphagnum]

I'm pro-Duterte, by the way.

I have a really hard time pegging what you support sometimes. I'm assuming this is related to what you posted in PoliGAF regarding not caring about human rights?

 

[entremet]

I'm guessing drug related violence is very high or something? That may explain the drastic measures, which I believe are counterproductive.

Does he want street wars?

 

[Dennis]

"If you're still into drugs, I will kill you, don't take this as a joke. I'm not trying to make you laugh, son of a bitch, I will really kill you," Duterte said to loud jeers and applause.

GAF loves drugs so presumably GAF should hate this guy, right?

 

[Slayven]

Somebody ask him about climate change

 

[random25]

On one hand, this would make ordinary citizens more active in crime fighting when in the past they are passive for the most part. On the other hand, this can be abused big time. Want to kill someone "legally"? Plant an evidence that he's onto the drug business, then you have every right to kill him/her.

I think Duterte should just put a big emphasis on reforming the police.

 

[Corpekata]

This guy's gonna need his own megathread soon.

 

[Kusagari]

How can shit like this even be verified?

Just sounds like making it open season to kill anyone you don't like.

 

[mavo]

My neighbor with the loud dog is a drug dealer, i don't have any proof but i'm telling you.

 

[Parch]

Want to kill somebody you don't like? Plant drugs on the body. How to get away with murder couldn't be easier.

 

[Aurongel]

Sounds like something that just enforces a culture of violence. Killing a drug dealer might seem like it betters society to the average lunkhead caveman voter but all it does is create a culture of escalating violence. Anyone who actually cares about the future of a country past their political term would know that. But if this rhetoric is popular among the public then I say let them have it and deal with the fallout.

 

[shira]

won the May 9 presidential election on a bold promise to end crime and corruption within six months

 

[MMarston]

This guy's gonna need his own megathread soon.

Rodrigo "Punisher" Duterte |OT| Piso and a Dime

 

[Tagyhag]

How can shit like this even be verified?

Just sounds like making it open season to kill anyone you don't like.

Which is what's going to happen.

Especially to those who oppose Duterte.

If Duterte wants criminals to die, shouldn't he kill himself?

 

[Sun Bather]

Want to kill somebody you don't like? Plant drugs on the body. How to get away with murder couldn't be easier.

It's the Philippines, probably easier just to shoot the one you want dead. No one will bother actually solving the crime anyway.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

He's an ignorant piece of shit, but hey, they wanted this psychopath to rule them with an iron fist and they got him.

 

[Karsticles]

You can't defeat savagery with savagery.

That doesn't make one lick of sense, you know.

 

[Slayven]

This guy's gonna need his own megathread soon.

I mean his solutions seem to be just kill everybody

 

[Auto_aim1]

Well, he got elected so I guess his governance style is acceptable to the people. This shit is not healthy though.

 

[Palette Swap]

GAF loves drugs so presumably GAF should hate this guy, right?

We didn't really need this to hate a guy who: was behind vigilante death squads who executed hundreds, has said aboit a rape victim "she was so beautiful, I think the mayor should have been first. What a waste." or called the Pope a "son of a whore" for creating traffic jams when he visited,

He makes Trump look classy and innocuous. I'm not surprised to see OP say he supports this guy only to defend fucking Franco later on.

How can shit like this even be verified?

Just sounds like making it open season to kill anyone you don't like.

He's been doing it for twenty years.

 

[Lexxism]

Man, Philippines is on the roll lately.

 

[Soldiussnaku]

The Purge is real. I would just invest in more police in these neighborhoods.

Sadly, the police are corrupt and almost as bad as the dealers. Giving them more money will likely lead to more problems and a escalation of the situation.

It's a fucked up situation over there. I do not agree with laissez-faire attitude when it comes to vigilante justice, but I can see how it has led up t this point. I just wish there was a due process, as it stands now this is totally open to rife abuse.

 

[sphagnum]

I mean his solutions seem to be just kill everybody

I guess he takes the Stalin* approach.

"Death solves all problems — no man, no problem."

*not actually said by Stalin

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Actually, Davao has been the safest city in the Philippines for decades. Also, crime was non-existent in Franco's regime in Spain because there was practically a machine gun on every corner.

I mean, human rights abuses are bad, but authoritarianism can lead to public safety.

Well, that sounds like a fair trade off to me!

 

[Giant Panda]

If the Philippines want to become an advanced country with high living standards and low corruption, they need to improve their institutions, not create fucking chaos. OP is either trolling or murder sympathizer. Fuck off OP.

 

[Sun Bather]

Sadly, the police are corrupt and almost as bad as the dealers. Giving them more money will likely lead to more problems and a escalation of the situation.

It's a fucked up situation over there. I do not agree with laissez-faire attitude when it comes to vigilante justice, but I can see how it has led up t this point. I just wish there was a due process, as it stands now this is totally open to rife abuse.

Pretty much my feelings as well. It's sad, but if you spent just a bit of time there, you will quickly understand how things have gotten to this point. You gotta keep in mind the whole situation there, the living standards of the regular person and general poverty.

The police there is extremely corrupt, and they will routinely beat up street children real badly for stealing food from stalls and so on. The police doing whatever they want, without any due process already does happen.

 

[MrChocolate]

Sadly, the police are corrupt and almost as bad as the dealers. Giving them more money will likely lead to more problems and a escalation of the situation.

It's a fucked up situation over there. I do not agree with laissez-faire attitude when it comes to vigilante justice, but I can see how it has led up t this point. I just wish there was a due process, as it stands now this is totally open to rife abuse.

What about military? Cant you guys just declare state of emergency, send the military out to the streets, purge the police force, curfew from like 11PM to 5AM and start working from there? Sounds a little less radical than just "kill your neighbor"

 

[Jackpot]

I'm pro-Duterte, by the way.

The guy asking people to murder journalists.

 

[Sun Bather]

What about military? Cant you guys just declare state of emergency, send the military out to the streets, purge the police force, curfew from like 11PM to 5AM and start working from there? Sounds a little less radical than just "kill your neighbor"

A curfew in a country where extremely many do not even have a home... and in a country where most people work pretty much every single hour they are awake.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

On one hand, this would make ordinary citizens more active in crime fighting when in the past they are passive for the most part. On the other hand, this can be abused big time. Want to kill someone "legally"? Plant an evidence that he's onto the drug business, then you have every right to kill him/her.

I think Duterte should just put a big emphasis on reforming the police.

"Let's sprinkle some crack on him and get outta here"

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I have a really hard time pegging what you support sometimes. I'm assuming this is related to what you posted in PoliGAF regarding not caring about human rights?

This is off-topic for this thread so I'll be brief.

I never said I don't care about human rights. I'm pro-Duterte for a number of reasons. One reason is that authoritarian "clean up the streets" governments, even those with human rights abuses, often dramatically reduce crime and corruption. I consider those two problems indisputably important and in a dire state in the Philippines. Most of the presidencies from Marcos onward have been seriously corrupt, and when people are dying of hunger in the Philippines while USD billions are siphoned from treasury coffers by the Aquinos et al in the political establishment (this is well established at this point), something is seriously wrong.

Second, and related, is that he's basically a populist and will use the reappropriated money to fund important programs for the poor in the neglected Southern Philippines. Speaking of which, he's the first president to explicitly have the support of the Muslim rebels in Mindanao because he has promised to take their needs seriously. This is in contrast to the many racist Northern Filipinos who could not care less about Muslims. What other candidate has said Allahu Akhbar?

He's also quite honest. He's spoken at length about how he doesn't go to church anymore because he believes he can't perform his duties as Davao mayor and be a devout Catholic at the same time. What slimey pigfucking neoconservatives in the United States have even half the integrity to admit the same?

Another reason is that he'll repair relations with the Chinese, decrease US influence, and secure Philippine territorial rights through joint development plans with China, which will be a major stepping stone in increasing Chinese power in Asia (something I support).

So, yeah, if some officials get hung, I will just see it as a small blemish under the iron boot of progress.

 

[MrChocolate]

A curfew in a country where extremely many do not even have a home... and in a country where most people work pretty much every single hour they are awake.

Well, then discard curfew. What about the rest? You need to work from something more civilized.
I'm all for getting rid of actual criminals at any cost, but this? This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Jimrpg]

The whole world is going to shit. We've got six months of Obama left and I'm bracing myself for whatever happens after that.

Btw, I'm also in south east Asia, and it's astonishing the amount of corruption here, it's just another word for business. Example - TIL what a selected tender is - it's when you put in all the bids for a tender and win. The other bids are just bids you ask your friend to put in at higher prices of course. These are government projects too.

 

[Quixzlizx]

This is off-topic for this thread so I'll be brief.

I never said I don't care about human rights. I'm pro-Duterte for a number of reasons. One reason is that authoritarian "clean up the streets" governments, even those with human rights abuses, often dramatically reduce crime and corruption. I consider those two problems indisputably important and in a dire state in the Philippines. Most of the presidencies from Marcos onward have been seriously corrupt, and when people are dying of hunger in the Philippines while USD billions are siphoned from treasury coffers by the Aquinos et al in the political establishment (this is well established at this point), something is seriously wrong.

Second, and related, is that he's basically a populist and will use the reappropriated money to fund important programs for the poor in the neglected Southern Philippines. Speaking of which, he's the first president to explicitly have the support of the Muslim rebels in Mindanao because he has promised to take their needs seriously. This is in contrast to the many racist Northern Filipinos who could not care less about Muslims. What other candidate has said Allahu Akhbar?

He's also quite honest. He's spoken at length about how he doesn't go to church anymore because he believes he can't perform his duties as Davao mayor and be a devout Catholic at the same time. What slimey pigfucking neoconservatives in the United States have even half the integrity to admit the same?

Another reason is that he'll repair relations with the Chinese, decrease US influence, and secure Philippine territorial rights through joint development plans with China, which will be a major stepping stone in increasing Chinese power in Asia (something I support).

So, yeah, if some officials get hung, I will just see it as a small blemish under the iron boot of progress.

You could've just said you don't care about human rights.

 

[Sun Bather]

Well, then discard curfew. What about the rest? You need to work from something more civilized.
I'm all for getting rid of actual criminals at any cost, but this? This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

It's not that simple no, and I do not know what makes you think the military will be any less corrupt. One big mess is what it is, and this is the result of that.

 

[ohlawd]

You could've just said you don't care about human rights.

we need a TL;DR in that post

TL;DR I don't care about human rights