Aaronrules380
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I mean, I guess if you make murder legal you do decrease crime, since every case of murder is no longer a crime now
Philippine President-Elect Urges Public to Kill Drug Dealers
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Yes, this is the time government-sanctioned death squads will work.
One thing I learned spending years living all over south east Asia is that people in the region tend to love drastic solutions to problems that will let them see immediate results despite not addressing any of the underlying issues and not talking long term repercussions into account. And you better fucking believe this psychopath's reign will have serious long term repercussions for the Philippines.
Bay Maximus
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Can we leave the US police alone for one thread please?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It has to work eventually!
Good point, Philippines are actually a full state party to the Rome Statute. Should be interesting.
This post brought to you by 1930s Europe.
Spoiled Milk
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I live in the United States where people have rights B)
Must be nice supporting Duterte from a safe distance.
ss_lemonade
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I think the problem here is we have one side who agree with all these sensationalist, clickbait headlines (urges public to kill), and the other side with reports like "I was there. Duterte never said this. It was about self defense" or something like that. It's confusing and I sometimes never know now who's telling the truth.
Doesn't help that Duterte keeps doing this "misleading the media" tactic, a strategy that his legion of followers seem to love.
Doesn't help that Duterte keeps doing this "misleading the media" tactic, a strategy that his legion of followers seem to love.
I'm getting these kinds of vibes from all the stuff Duterte's been saying
Of course, if you've seen the film, you know what I'm thinking of.
So support a murderer and live with none of the consequences? What's next, support for Mugabe?
TestMonkey
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The individual people are actually quite nice outside of the militant groups. The government on the other hand is very corrupt and is the result of the after-effects of colonization.
SapientWolf
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When the killing starts it's not going to stop with criminals. Anyone opposed to Duterte is going to have a target on their head. That's how fascism works.
I'm getting these kinds of vibes from all the stuff Duterte's been saying
Of course, if you've seen the film, you know what I'm thinking of.
Amazing and horrifying movie. I lived in Indonesia for several years and knew a few people who lived through the anti communist purges. They described it as terrifying.
Spoiled Milk
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No, because then you get Marcos again. You need Democracy with strong deterrents for bad behavior and then slowly transition to a more liberal country.
By specifically targeting the police in his statements he's giving cover for a possible purge of anyone opposed to him. After all, if (or when) he gets around to trampling over the Constitution to get what he wants it'll only be the police and the military that stand in his way (congress lol; due process lol; civil society lol...). Once he "purifies" them the easier it will be for him to have his fascist wet dreams fulfilled.
BuggyDClown
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This thread makes me terrified. What year are we living in? Fucking hell.
Maybe we should just elect Trump here in the US so we can join in on the madness.
Maybe we should just elect Trump here in the US so we can join in on the madness.
Some people are so pathetic and weak and afraid that they just want to be ruled by a tough guy.
Wouldn't it be extremely difficult to implement these "deterrents" for bad behavior in a country where people don't care enough and would rather do things the simple way? The reason the US has a successful democracy is because there a ton of educated people that care within complex organizations that are held with accountability. And even with how powerful the US is, it still faces corruption. Sorry I can't see democracy working in the Philippines.
Among other things, this is the same person who lamented not having the opportunity to be first in line to rape a murdered rape victim because she was attractive:
Rodrigo Duterte lashes out at Australia after missionary rape joke
http://www.smh.com.au/world/rodrigo...ter-missionary-rape-joke-20160419-go9pg5.html
Duterte slams Australia, rebukes bishops
https://kami.com.ph/4827-duterte-slams-australia-rebukes-bishops.html
Leading Philippine presidential contender: Gang rape victim ‘so beautiful’ he wishes he had ‘been first’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tim-so-beautiful-he-wishes-he-had-been-first/
What concrete proposals has he outlined for properly addressing the public demand which leads to the drug problem?
Similarly, has he detailed how he intends to handle the issues leading to police/government official corruption, or socioeconomic causes of the drug trade and crime as a whole?
br0ken_shad0w
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Best case scenario, he'll be the Phillippines Jokowi. Worst case? Let's not think about it.
It does if you look even slightly beyond the literal words of the quote. The point is you only create more savagery that way, and really are no better than what you're trying to fight.
i.e. this:
Tell that to Alberto Fujimori.
ah but you see he makes the trains run on time
paolo11
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Let's see if Duterte can walk the talk(getting rid of corruption within 3 to 6 months, making Philippines a paradise, etc).
But yeah, since like he wants Philippines to be like the Wild West. Reward Citizens to shoot criminals? Seems like he's encouraging vigilante style of living.
But yeah, since like he wants Philippines to be like the Wild West. Reward Citizens to shoot criminals? Seems like he's encouraging vigilante style of living.
paolo11
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We know post Cory era Philippines went down to the drain and Duterte as a mayor made some great changes and I'm not discrediting that however do we automatically assume he will be a great president because of that? Ex pres Erap Estrada was a great mayor in San Juan but you know how that turns out when he took the seat.
I guess my point is I don't want to judge him until he takes the seat and reign for a year or two.
EYEL1NER
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Not sure what that has to do with anything, either part.
EDIT: Or I guess I should say that I don't believe the first part matters at all. And I don't think that bus bombings and extremists shooting up malls and terrorizing that local populace justify government-endorsed extrajudicial killings.
If it weren't for Mt Apo and Dulang-Dulang, I wouldn't have any desire to ever visit Mindanao. And even then, there are plenty of other better volcanoes/mountains in the country, so I probably won't ever end up going to the South.
CyberMiguel
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What I don't understand about Philippines is how come they haven't come with better candidates? I mean...seriously, Duterte is the typical "I can do it all" loudmouth populist without a clear political long-term vision.
Do they even have any serious political party there?
The solutions proposed are just insane and doesn't attack the underlying causes of drugs traffic. If anything, those measures will only bring more insecurity and more chaos to the streets.
I can already see how badly that will backfire onto him.
Do they even have any serious political party there?
The solutions proposed are just insane and doesn't attack the underlying causes of drugs traffic. If anything, those measures will only bring more insecurity and more chaos to the streets.
I can already see how badly that will backfire onto him.
paolo11
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Because sadly we do not have any better candidates. I wish we did.
I would perhaps re-read the post
Hmm this topic is difficult to discuss especially with non-filipinos.
For those that have survived the killing fields and now seeing the city amazing as it is today and then on just the other side of the island in Zambo watching helplessly as A-S and crime/corrupt cops terrorize barangay to barangay... daily with no end in sight. Nvm seeing the 'good cops' playing 'MJ' and downing Red Horse while 'on duty'. Without getting too personal, I wish more drastic measures were taken earlier so loved ones would still be here today. Anyways, it's very unfortunate but understandable why many would now support his extreme measures.
For those that have survived the killing fields and now seeing the city amazing as it is today and then on just the other side of the island in Zambo watching helplessly as A-S and crime/corrupt cops terrorize barangay to barangay... daily with no end in sight. Nvm seeing the 'good cops' playing 'MJ' and downing Red Horse while 'on duty'. Without getting too personal, I wish more drastic measures were taken earlier so loved ones would still be here today. Anyways, it's very unfortunate but understandable why many would now support his extreme measures.
titiklabingapat
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That's the thing, things ARE working out in the Philippines and its economy is one of the fastest growing in the world. Things are legitimatrly getting better for more and more people everyday. Not everyone mind you, but a steady trickle of people have been reaching the middle class. The problem is that the people want it HERE AND NOW and the Philippines has only been growing for a little less than a decade, nevermind that it took decades before other countries felt their economic growth.
Mr. Giggles
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I hope the pros out weigh the cons.
You obviously know more on the topic but as an outsider looking in, this dude sounds scary
AcademicSaucer
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Can relate, crime has gotten so bad in some cities in my country that I dont know if I would oppose it if someone proposes death squads.
Aztechnology
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Well...
I really don't know what to say. On one hand this is apparently what their citizens want and have reaped from their democratic process. on the other hand, the amount of atrocious things that will happen as a result can't be ignored. I guess there's nothing to do but wait. I mean he'll probably be assassinated at some point if it's as corrupt as everyone claims.
I really don't know what to say. On one hand this is apparently what their citizens want and have reaped from their democratic process. on the other hand, the amount of atrocious things that will happen as a result can't be ignored. I guess there's nothing to do but wait. I mean he'll probably be assassinated at some point if it's as corrupt as everyone claims.
Rabid Wolverine
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I recently came back from the Philippines after visiting friends.
Every one of them is Pro Duterte.
Pretty much over the years nothing has changed in the country and they are happy someone wants to change the way things are.
Stamping out Corruption, riding out crime, Fixing the extremely shit internet and communications in the country which Duterte has stated to both Smart and Globe Telco's fix your shit or im letting people from the outside come in and build.
Lets see how it pans out.
Every one of them is Pro Duterte.
Pretty much over the years nothing has changed in the country and they are happy someone wants to change the way things are.
Stamping out Corruption, riding out crime, Fixing the extremely shit internet and communications in the country which Duterte has stated to both Smart and Globe Telco's fix your shit or im letting people from the outside come in and build.
Lets see how it pans out.
So this is a guy where journalists who criticise him tend to go missing or die in mysterious circumstances. Do you really think, honestly that this guy is going to be less corrupt than any other politician?
Is it not more likely that this guy is running the typical dictator sweeping into power playbook?
Cosmic Dreams
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My girlfriend and her family and my family back home can confirm the safety of Davao. They're all Pro-Duerte.
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