So overclocking is going to become smaller and smaller as we get more node shrinks? So when we eventually get to ~8nm cards will pretty much be stuck at stock speeds?
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So overclocking is going to become smaller and smaller as we get more node shrinks? So when we eventually get to ~8nm cards will pretty much be stuck at stock speeds?
Hmm okay, I'm thinking of going for the 1080, just hoping it's not completely eclipsed in value proposition just by waiting 6 more months. I don't really need to upgrade from my 970 and would keep my 970 for a year or more from now if I didn't jump into VR, I can wait, I'm a patient man. I just want something better for my Vive since it doesn't quite cut it for a smooth experience in everything. Hard to choose between 1080 and 1070, or whatever AMD is bringing at the higher price range since the 480 seems pretty cool.
Nyteshade517
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Founders Edition says Founders Edition....the other two are custom EVGA ones
I doubt that's going to necessarily be the case. It seems as though the 1080 shouldn't be clocked as high as it is, but since it lacks certain features compared to something like the 980ti (such as number of ROPs), they're forced to make up the difference with higher base clocks.
No one can fully predict this, but just look at the development with Intel CPUs over the past 8 years or so.
The combination of physical limitations with hardware that gets better and better at performing up to its own limits out of the box certainly doesn't seem likely to increase the relative overclocking potential.
We won't see a Celeron 300A again, that's for sure.
I don't really see any basis for this claim. It's clearly extremely power efficient at the clocks it uses out of the box, so why shouldn't it run at those?
Would a bigger chip make room for better overclocking? Let's say a 1080Ti at 500-isch mm^2.
I know the feeling.. and it sucks.
That actually happened to me when I was even home one time. Ironically I was playing a game waiting for my new graphics card to arrive and didn't hear lol
Mister Wolf
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I feared this would happen so I went online and told ups I would just pick it up from their hub facility.
Not inherently.
I mean, you could probably get higher clocks by making a larger chip and then only using parts of it (like e.g. Intel does for hideously expensive specialized Xeons), but that would obviously defeat the purpose in something which scales as well with parallelization as GPU workloads.
demigod
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I think you might be able to pick it up at UPS, not sure today or tomorrow.
FE back in stock on Amazon UK https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01FVREARA/
Well, switching to a smaller manufacturing process does lend to better efficiency. When I say it "shouldn't" run at those clocks, I mean that traditionally a GPU's stock clocks aren't pushed as close to the limit of what's possible.
I wonder how many of these cards are being bought by scumbag scalpers. Between them, others placing orders on multiple cards just to see if they can get one instead of what they really want, and then legit buyers, this has been an incredibly frustrating experience.
Not as rage inducing as trying to get a Focus RS, but it's up there. lol.
Not as rage inducing as trying to get a Focus RS, but it's up there. lol.
This is impossible to know. A 780 offered better bang for the buck than the 780Ti but the 980 was just annihilated by the 980Ti on overall performance and value.
As someone with a highly overclocked 980Ti the 1080 is not appealing because I only see marginal improvements. If the 1080Ti blows away there 1080 I will probably upgrade. Additionally, when the 1080Ti comes out the price of the 1080 might drop.
finalflame
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I'm sure BIOS editors will be out sooner or later, and people will unlock the voltage up to around the maximum hardlocked 1.25v. However, I think going higher than the stock 1.080v will start to significantly decrease the life of the silicon for Pascal. Electromigration and other low level effects are a real concern on 16nm chips.
The maximum I'd be willing to try on my card is ~1.15V, and it's watercooled.
Yah. The smaller you go, the lower the threshold is for voltage. And damage often increases exponentially with linearly increasing voltage. If anything, it's a miracle that 1.25V is allowed at all with hard modding, as the recommended voltage for 16nm is 900mV.
I think what we're seeing is nVidia optimizing clocks closer to the maximum threshold for voltage.
Not to sound like a broken record but... Europe? Any news around here?
There's not a single partner card in stock anywhere here in Germany (apparently some Palit card was according to a GAFfer, but that one is actually more expensive than the FTW lol).
The three shops I contacted told me all stock dates are just rough estimates.
TheAbsolution
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Man, the wait for my FTW is excruciating. Ship it already EVGA! My new PC build is waiting.
There's not a single partner card in stock anywhere here in Germany (apparently some Palit card was according to a GAFfer, but that one is actually more expensive than the FTW lol).
The three shops I contacted told me all stock dates are just rough estimates.
Welp. I'm holding out on my apparent pre-order of the G1 on Amazon UK. No chance in hell I'm paying 850 for a FE card...
Gumbie
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Finally got one of the EVGA SC's earlier on newegg in what felt like an epic of battle of refreshes and cancelled orders. Twice I actually got the card ordered and got a confirmation only to get an "Order voided" email a few minutes after. I managed to catch them in stock a third time and the order went through.
draughn101
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Congrats. I'm glad I ended up with this one as well. I had three ordered at one point and then cancelled down to the SC. Watching JaytwoCents' video reinforces my happiness.
At least you know it's going out soon.
Andronicus
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DOT DASH DOT
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This whole thing sucks, been without a card for weeks, with no word when these friggin cards will ship from OCUK. Hate this shit.
Unknown Soldier
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MSI IN STOCK AT NEWEGG
The $720 one
The $720 one
Nyteshade517
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and it's sold out
Asus Founder's Edition in stock http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126101
Unknown Soldier
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MSI uh gone in 60 seconds. I think they are releasing 5 cards at a time or something.
Unknown Soldier
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$720, this isn't a retailer scalp
SneakyStephan
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What? no
pascal is clocking WAY higher than anyone could have possibly expected before it was shown
TSMC's process has offered huge clockspeed increases over 28nm planar
The only difference is that nvidia seems to have clocked their cards a lot higher out of the box this time around, while with maxwell their reference clocks were pretty low
They could have clocked the 980ti or 980 at 1.2ghz reference instead if 1000mhz /1126 mhz but didn't for whatever reason
It's funny to see how expectations alter people's perception:
offer huge clockspeeds that didn't seem possible a month ago? dissapointment based on hope of even higher speeds on custom boards
pay 700 dollars for a 300mm² card? That's fine because you're used to being gouged anyhow
It's like opposite world in here sometimes
yeah I was going for a 2nd one and it was out of my cart while I was purchasing lol
draughn101
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I think they just relisted the cancelled orders.
finalflame
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No, it's not a power limit issue. Turns out, nVidia knew just what they were doing when they put a single 8-pin on the FE.
8+6 cards have been overclocking the same or below. Until someone BIOS mods some cards to get closer to the 1.25V limit, we won't see anything above ~2100mhz unless the chips are extremely golden.
DOT DASH DOT
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Yeah for sure, can't think which card it was in a YouTube video where they said the design wasn't final, and that was a week or so ago. The the EVGA hybrid hasn't gone into manufacturing yet, I think gamers nexus had a clip where they said EVGA wernt settled on a final design.
got a link? didn't see it pop
I managed to get one of the EVGA ACX 3.0 while I was at work. I didn't feel it was worth the extra money for the SC since I doubt there will be much difference when the cards are OC'd as much as possible. Funny thing is that I was only refreshing because I missed the chance for the MSI card earlier. Would have paid a hundred dollars more for that. I guess things worked out.
thanks.
I was able to get an order in for the MSI earlier.
If I can get one or two of these I would be happy
ColonialRaptor
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What a crazy card! Wait for the Ti version and it will be incredible. Such a big leap!
dgrdsv
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Yeah, after looking at Strix reviews I'm thinking that I'll wait for GP102.
draughn101
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And then the 1180, and then 1180ti, but then.......