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[freenudemacusers]

Love the downplaying for no reason.

One wouldn't need to be in the military field to realize that trials and analysis of specific parts in businesses and engineering are done to find flaws and potential for improvements.

Recently there was a tanker competition in Germany with all kinds of NATO participants with focus on human factors which showcased that American tankers lack training in camouflaging their tanks and doing maintenance without support.

It's not about childish "we would bomb you away anyway real war" nonsense.

i only point out that application in a vacuum is not real world capability, which is mostly in response to

"What's the deal with the USA and super hard training programs?

Their special units aren't anything special based on all kinds of international competitions.
"

which still remains a dumb statement, but certainly not the dumbest in this thread.

 

[Hermii]

RIP. But I mean, and I dunno if this is too insensitive for the thread, but kids are soft as hell nowadays.

You are right, that was too insensitive.

 

[M52B28]

Doesn't France's GIGN have a higher washout rate?

 

[PdotMichael]

i only point out that application in a vacuum is not real world capability, which is mostly in response to

"What's the deal with the USA and super hard training programs?

Their special units aren't anything special based on all kinds of international competitions.
"

which still remains a dumb statement, but certainly not the dumbest in this thread.

The statement is pretty clear and correct in the context I put it in.

Sorry, if I hurt some of your patriotic feelings.

 

[dab0ne]

That's sad but at the same time I have a close friend who's a SEAL and if an individual makes it through the course, gets assigned to a team, then goes out on a mission and loses it down range it can be dangerous for everyone. Heart breaking that he was only 23.

 

[WanderingWind]

The statement is pretty clear and correct in the context I put it in.

Sorry, if I hurt some of your patriotic feelings.

No, it was, and still is, remarkably ignorant. You're not hurting anybody's feelings. Just outing the fact that you feel comfortable talking about subjects you clearly know nothing about. Even things as simply understood by children as the difference between friendly competitions and full-spectrum warfare.

 

[freenudemacusers]

The statement is pretty clear and correct in the context I put it in.

Sorry, if I hurt some of your patriotic feelings.

no it was just dumb

 

[MatthewMungall]

RIP. But I mean, and I dunno if this is too insensitive for the thread, but kids are soft as hell nowadays.

I have no words, shockingly insensitive. This is the SEALs we are talking about here. You need to be very strong willed in order to succeed. If kids are soft as hell, you should have no problem passing.

 

[Vermillion]

The statement is pretty clear and correct in the context I put it in.

Sorry, if I hurt some of your patriotic feelings.

Lol, GAF is like the opposite of the place to talk about someone's patriotic feelings.

 

[Yopis]

New generation can't take failure. Should have tried again in future now family is broken and he is gone.


Sad stuff should have just taken some time to think about it.

 

[PdotMichael]

No, it was, and still is, remarkably ignorant. You're not hurting anybody's feelings. Just outing the fact that you feel comfortable talking about subjects you clearly know nothing about. Even things as simply understood by children as the difference between friendly competitions and full-spectrum warfare.

Full-spectrum warfare isn't the topic of that discussion so, yeah, the joke about such competitions is to check parts of that "full-spectrum warfare". Your "X doesn't matter because Y" just showcases that you don't even know why there are such competitions in the first place.
Not that is even a counter argument in the first place.

no it was just dumb

You provided some great arguments in your posts.

 

[freenudemacusers]

You provided some great arguments in your posts.

I just work with what i'm given

 

[WanderingWind]

Full-spectrum warfare isn't the topic of that discussion so, yeah, the joke about such competitions is to check parts of that "full-spectrum warfare". Your "X doesn't matter because Y" just showcases that you don't even know why there are such competitions in the first place.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Come back when you've Googled enough info to try to fool non-military folks into thinking you know even the slightest bit of what you're talking about.

 

[PdotMichael]

Stop embarrassing yourself. Come back when you've Googled enough info to try to fool non-military folks into thinking you know even the slightest bit of what you're talking about.

"non military folks".

Talking about emberrasing yourself. A statement which would be even wrong but whatever.

But you should maybe check how statements and arguments work. You argue about something which isn't the topic of the discussion.

The discussion isn't about the entire US military which would include all military and specialized branches but about a part of the US Navy.
It's not a counter argument to say any results in competitions and trials of special forces don't matter because close air support or all the full-spectrum warfare stuff - because we are talking about small unit special forces and nonthing else.

 

[i3allistic]

New generation can't take failure. Should have tried again in future now family is broken and he is gone.


Sad stuff should have just taken some time to think about it.

This ....

 

[bsp]

What's the deal with the USA and super hard training programs?

Their special units aren't anything special based on all kinds of international competitions.

All SOF units have super hard training programs.. it's what makes them SOF. American units are near Olympic level athletes that can shoot and move, but so are most of the modern world's SOF capable forces. They all train together and respect each other so comparing is pretty stupid. Selection is also usually considered the easiest part from those within special units.

That being said, USA SOF have the most experience and captures/kills by far just due to the nature of our DoD budget/size. 75th Ranger Regiment barely scrape by into the special operations world but have the most HVT kill/captures in OEF/OIF because you send several dozen of them at each target.

To those asking: If you self-terminate from BUD/S you cannot reenter selection. If you fail an evaluation and are forcibly removed or get rolled for an injury you can come back (unless you were a total fuckup and they are looking for any way to get rid of you). That goes for any American special operations selection course.

 

[Kadin]

All SOF units have super hard training programs.. it's what makes them SOF. American units are near Olympic level athletes that can shoot and move, but so are most of the modern world's SOF capable forces. They all train together and respect each other so comparing is pretty stupid. Selection is also usually considered the easiest part from those within special units.

That being said, USA SOF have the most experience and captures/kills by far just due to the nature of our DoD budget/size. 75th Ranger Regiment barely scrape by into the special operations world but have the most HVT kill/captures in OEF/OIF because you send several dozen of them at each target.

To those also asking: If you self-terminate from BUD/S you cannot reenter selection. If you fail an evaluation and are forcibly removed or get rolled for an injury you can come back (unless you were a total fuckup and they are looking for any way to get rid of you). That goes for any American special operations selection course.

About that last part, is that new? If you watch the documentary that I posted in the OP, Rivera said during one of the episodes that he left once due to not being mentally ready. Another time it was due to an injury. This third and final time he graduated BUD/S.

 

[i3allistic]

Just wondering if anyone here served in the military?

I was, USMC 98-2002

 

[Zombine]

RIP. But I mean, and I dunno if this is too insensitive for the thread, but kids are soft as hell nowadays.

My cousin is one of these "kids" and he's in special forces so your logic is deeply flawed and tremendously insulting to both him and myself.

Going 50 hours without sleep and eating next to nothing while getting beat up is no joke.

 

[Malyse]

50 hours without sleep! I've done that before when I was on some harsh drugs, but sober it would drive me insane.

To be clear, even regular recruits have a day of around 40 hours without sleep as part of training.

 

[TheSeks]

80% fail? Holy crap

Yeah, the Seals training is really intense. They have you hold your breath underwater for as long as you can stand it, which for non-Seals is like 2-3 mins TOPS while Seals can go for like 5-10mins(!)? Some folks have nearly drowned from doing that.

 

[zeemumu]

RIP. But I mean, and I dunno if this is too insensitive for the thread, but kids are soft as hell nowadays.

If you have to question if it's too insensitive, it probably is.

 

[dhonk]

RIP. But I mean, and I dunno if this is too insensitive for the thread, but kids are soft as hell nowadays.

Let me guess tough guy, you're gonna become a SEAL? looooool

 

[akira28]

RIP. But I mean, and I dunno if this is too insensitive for the thread, but kids are soft as hell nowadays.

you knew that was too insensitive for a thread about a kid committing suicide after washing out. But you didn't care. Lets be honest here ShadowDrizzy.