Two oppressed minority groups cant bridge understanding despite historical differences and work together to stop hatred? We should all just be hateful?
Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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Two oppressed minority groups cant bridge understanding despite historical differences and work together to stop hatred? We should all just be hateful?
Dark Cloud
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It's crazy. The dude had problems. It's hard to stop people from becoming a lunatic, but at the very least we can do some better controls on obtaining guns.
The Artisan
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well then why the fuck are there so many gun control debates happening in this thread? obviously people want the laws to change; my point is that people have BEEN wanting these laws to change for a long time, and they get fueled up every time a tragedy like this happens, but the tragedies keep on happening!
so my point to YOU is it is not as fundamentally simple as you say it is!
so how are you gonna make this happen? that's a solution in theory, but it's not a solution until it is a reality.
that's why it's not so simple. simple in theory but not in reality.
Vire
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Oh don't worry, I hate all organized religion.
Rest in peace to the many souls that were loss due to this competely pointless, barbaric, inhuman attack.The attacks in Europe were made possible by porous land borders with countries that have out of control gun laws.
Sort of how like most gun crime in Canada comes from guns illegally imported from the US.
Gay is not a choice. You sign up to be muslim. It's not a racial or biological.
fabricated backlash
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You aren't alone, I feel exactly the same.
SparkleMotion
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Bu-bu-but I need a high powered rifle with a large magazine for hunting!
America didn't give a fuck when children were gunned down. You think they're going to give a fuck that LBGT people were shot? Especially when half of America probably thinks said people deserved to get shot because God said so?
Already Torn
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Apparently if your parents are from Afghanistan it makes you a radical Islamic terrorist though.
And that makes it okay to discriminate against them?
jacob armitage
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Quoting scripture is ridiculous, you can find equally hateful speech in the the old and new testaments.
Islam in not the enemy anymore than Christianity is, but the extremists from both sides who pick and choose the hateful context without understanding, or more likely, willfully ignoring its peaceful teachings.
Frozenprince
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See post on nuance.
And god told his followers his judgement of homosexuals pretty clearly. As virtually every opinion poll and statistic on this issue dramatically demonstrates.
Silent Chief
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Well, yeah, the Old Testament has no need of assault rifles.
Judaism, Islam and the Christian sects that focus on the Old Testament are pretty much interchangeable.
Islam just need a Jesus.
The Artisan
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the perpetrator bragged about being part of terrorist groups in the past.
This is exactly what the terrorists want. More hate. More fear.
... Because they keep getting defeated by the GOP. Again, very simple.
Try passing one of these laws instead of continuously deflecting somewhere else.
It's not simple because common-sense gun laws never get passed.
Yeah, I don't think quoting religious books gets us anywhere here, both the bible and the quran have horrible stuff in them.
Current practices and beliefs are where the real problems are these days. On average, homophobia is definitely more widespread among muslims than christians, although it exists on both sides.
Arrogant Bastard
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Christ...that, that is what you wanted to achieve by beating around the bush for post after post. Congratulations!
Phantast2k
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They were married for a few months (up to) 8 years ago. We don't really know how he developed since then: "She said in the few months they were married he gave no signs of having fallen under the sway of radical Islam."
/Well and I guess I shouldn't be guessing around either. Noted.
You can't restrict someones second amendment rights based on a government list that has no oversight. Anyone who is for civil liberties should be against this. They'd need to follow the normal legal process to have the person arrested if there is any actual evidence.
The legislation you're talking about is amending the Constitution.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
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I'm not sure why people are hellbent on making this only about guns.
Yes, the US gun laws are crazy.
Guns are an instrument that make murder, particularly mass murder, much easier than it should ever be.
The hijackers on 9/11 were armed with boxcutters. Ignoring the role Islam is playing in fostering intolerance and spreading world wide terrorism because it challenges current 'progressive' mantras is also crazy.
I suppose it's easier to jump behind
#notallmuslims
or
#notallgunowners
than it is to actually challenge beliefs and look for meaningful solutions.
Yes, the US gun laws are crazy.
Guns are an instrument that make murder, particularly mass murder, much easier than it should ever be.
The hijackers on 9/11 were armed with boxcutters. Ignoring the role Islam is playing in fostering intolerance and spreading world wide terrorism because it challenges current 'progressive' mantras is also crazy.
I suppose it's easier to jump behind
#notallmuslims
or
#notallgunowners
than it is to actually challenge beliefs and look for meaningful solutions.
Shake Appeal
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And even if he did tune in to some violent extremism in recent months or years, that does not make Islam culpable for his actions. Depressed, angry, violent men often seize on all stripes of ideology -- from Nazism to fundamentalist Christianity to, yes, Wahhabism -- to justify retributive action against the world. This is not close to being unique to Islam.
Bitter people do horrendous things when given tools and an ideological excuse. It's easier to deny them the tools than the excuse.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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All we need is prayer. At least that's what I keep hearing every time a massacre happens.
holygeesus
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It seems he had a 3 hour window to kill at will though pretty much, so although horrific numbers, I am amazed that the death toll isn't higher given the small size of the club and the 300+ people in there.
My bet is the 200 people who weren't hit by bullets, all escaped the scene and that sadly all those who hid or were hit early in the attack perished. 3 fucking hours is a long time.
everyday math
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The President speaks in 30mins.
Already Torn
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And wasn't religious, but for some reason we're having a conversation about why LGBT people should support Islamiphobia.
This dude was fucked up and full of hate, but you don't fix that by hating other groups or saying we should burn all mosques like that one crazy guy said on here. You can however stop him from getting an assault rifle so easily, which if nothing else limits how many people he can kill.
SparkleMotion
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As long as you don't pray for any gun regulation.
The Artisan
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that's why solving the problem isn't simple. if you have to get around people with power who aren't letting it happen.
i'm not beating around any bush. if it's so simple, it would've been solved. and these tragedies keep on happening. if you want to have a discussion with me then cut the sarcasm.
AntraxSuicide
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Well the big example of this working is car manufacturers and safety equipment. Our cars only have mandatory seatbelts because people actually sued the companies for not doing enough to protect their customers.
If their are so many bad fruit maybe their is something wrong with the orchard.Muslim people are not the orchard but Islam itself is and terrorists are the fruit of that orchard..The Koran and the Hadith make the highest level of claims and therefore should be subject to the highest level of scrutiny. I don't not like Muslim people, I simply just dont like some of the verses in their holy scriptures. Just my 2cents.
I've been up all night pissed off due to this and the Christina Grimmie's murder. It's just stupid, senseless violence. I just don't get it, I don't.
eveeyone saying ban rifles, allow handguns for home defense smh. Handguns and especially the .38 responsible for the most gun deaths by far. It's just the kind of gun deaths we don't discuss on GAF. If any gun gets banned it should be the .38 special, the last should be hunting rifles
Buddy as an exmuslim and a critic of Islam . Don't confuse Islam with Muslims . I just want people to be clear. Yes there is obvious problem with Islamic scripture and ideology. But, Muslims live not in one big broad ideology.
The best course is to challenge scripture and educate. Hating leads to bigotry which is exatly what we need to fight
a) You just moved the goal posts from such laws wouldn't have done anything to stop this to such laws would be wrong.
b) Then fucking amend the constitution already.
Long Division
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Do we know if the shooter purchased the gun legally?
Arrogant Bastard
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I have a problem with both actually, I just don't see any potential solutions to end radicalism. We can curb gun violence by making it harder to get than a beer.
Appears so.
You don't need to amend it, the 2nd amendment isn't absolute. I don't think people truly realize how easy it is to get a gun in some of our red states. I can no shit, roll across the street and buy a gun without a single background check at all.
The Artisan
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why does that matter? the notion for LGBT supporting islamophobia is bogus though.
Vire
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I don't understand why anyone in their right mind would go out of their way to defend hateful scripture like that in any book.
People blaming Muslims, defending guns like they are so important to having freedom. This thread is making me mad.
50 people died because an awful man got easy access to guns but people prefer to blame him based on his ethnicity instead of facing the real issues at hand.
Homophobia is terrible, islamophobia is terrible. Hate in general isn't good.
50 people died because an awful man got easy access to guns but people prefer to blame him based on his ethnicity instead of facing the real issues at hand.
Homophobia is terrible, islamophobia is terrible. Hate in general isn't good.
BarringGaffner
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Should I bother posting a bunch of Quran/Hadith verses? because beating your wife is totally normal in non-radical Islam.
Well said.
We shouldn't discriminate against a biological state people are born in. A chosen path is completely up for scrutiny.
Can cherry pick some horrific things from the Bible too, but it doesn't mean all Christians go around doing those things.
Or this.
Well said.
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