Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]

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This is going to be a political hotbed for sure. Gun Control, LBGT, and Radical Islam are all in play here.

Nah, gun control is never in play, we will get the same general statements. Then...

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Lead

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3D printing looks like it will eventually change this.
3D printing sucks for guns.

Lathes and cnc mills however does not, and have been available to the general public for almost 80 years now.

People don't make their own guns because it requires too much effort compared to just getting one off the black market.
 

Jharp

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Hunting near the border and killed some illegals that just happened to be crossing at the time? Ahuh. He was hunting all right, thats fucking disgusting.

Clearly this was just some redneck piece of shit, and the illegal was a harmless child that he murdered in cold blood, right? Yeah, truly fucking disgusting. Here's the story, in his words:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4jfzij/serious_people_whove_had_to_kill_others_in_self/d36d1o4 said:
In 2006 I was hunting in Hebronville,TX with my dad. One morning he dropped me off at the blind and wished me Goodluck. The sun was barely coming up and it was one of the only times I had ever seen fog while hunting. About fifteen minutes go by and the animals begin to move. There were two doe on my left, a doe in the road in front of me, but nothing on my right. About ten minutes after seeing the second doe come out, I thought 'I bet a third one will come out' on the remaining road, (I was feeling lucky) so I glanced over.
I saw four men quickly cross the road and disappear into the brush. I looked down to pick up my radio to tell my dad because I was really scared at the time. When I looked up again, they were back on the road, kind of jogging towards me. I told my dad and he told me to "stay put, I'll be right there. Fire a warning shot". I carried my rifle (.270) and a sidearm for pigs (.380). I speak Spanish, so I told the men to stop and I waved my hand out the window. Three men stopped in the middle of the road but the man on the right kept jogging and was ushering them to follow him. The second time I screamed my voice cracked really hard, for whatever reason he started laughing and began sprinting towards me. My dad always taught me that if I was ever in trouble, to shoot 3 three times consecutively as a distress signal, so with my pistol I shot three times out the window, into the air.
I made sure the hatch to the blind was locked and checked for a chambered round into my rifle. I just remember shaking and simultaneously hearing my dad on the radio calling my name over and over. I stood up and realized I could no longer see any of the three men or the man who was zeroing in on me. So I shot out the window with my rifle. It was about five seconds later that I heard shuffling outside and a big thud on the blind door, he was trying to open it. All the while laughing hysterically.
A few seconds after that the latch began to give and he jammed a knife into the spacing so he could pry it open, and it started working. He gave it two hard yanks and on the second one the door came off about 80%. I could see his smile and he showed me his knife, then he wiped sweat off his forehead. He was staring straight at me, just laughing.
I had my .270 pointed at him, sitting in my lap and took the safety off. I pulled the trigger once his left arm got about three feet from me. I hit him in the neck. He let out a big groan and fell out onto his back. Then I shot another two into the doorway so that my dad would hear it.
I heard a bunch of foot steps and then it got very quiet. I could hear the man choking and gargling on blood. another shot went off outside the blind a couple seconds later and I could see the dirt being kicked up into the opening of the torn-off door. Then I heard my dad's voice call my name "the-great-jebus"? I started crying and my dad picked me up and closed my eyes and put me into the truck. I left my gun, my bag, oranges & water behind. He drove me back to camp and by then his friends had come back on the four wheeler we had. They kept rubbing my back for about twenty minutes until a lot of Border Patrol units rolled in.
A lady named Vicky took me back to their suburban and gave me gushers from her purse. She asked me if I had gone to the movies lately and asked me if I liked school.
A few minutes later a helicopter flew in and picked up his body. He was a 26 year old from Mexico. I don't know what happened of the other men.
I was 14.
I feel bad. I didn't want to hurt him. The guy just charged me for no reason. I felt I had no other choice.
Edit: the rifle used. http://imgur.com/XXQiQXf
edit 2: To answer some questions. (1) It was an AirAmbulance. (2)Yes I carried a .380 in case of a snake, pigs, or tracking a wounded buck. (3) No, not all four men charged at me. Just one. I never heard about the other men again.(4) hunting alone at that age was a walk in the park. I had been hunting solo for about three years prior to that. Shot my first spike when I was seven."

Thank fucking god he had a gun.
 

IJoel

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look at my response here:

I am quoting my Mother right now, who is an extremely devout Muslim. She prays five times a day and reads the Holy Quran for about 2 to 3 hours every morning. I just shared this news with her as we are watching CNN.

My Mother's response: OMG, this is terrible. Why did this guy do this?
I say: The media is saying that he was targeting LBGTQ community.
My Mother's response: So what if they were LBGTQ... They were not hurting anyone and *sighs*


To all the folks here thinking that this Islam related. Think again. Its not Muslims don't support this at all!

This is missing the point. It's the fact that most major religions condemn lgbt just for being who they are. The wrap it in this "love set sinner hate the sin" bullshit and sell it to the masses. Then when a tragedy occurs, wash their hands off and disavow violence, after their brainwashing has done their work.

Just to clarify, this isn't about Islam specifically, but most major religions which condemn lgbt.

The fact is that this was a targetted attack against lgbt.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

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All of this is just scary. We're getting close to post-9/11 public fear again. I was hoping we'd be moving away from tragedy but we're falling right back into it.
 

Toparaman

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I just wanted to remind everyone, to keep a cool head in this discussion. Let us not post to harshly with our emotions. If need be, take a minute before responding.

Let us hope for the families of lost ones that they stay strong. Rip to the fallen.

When multiple people in this thread such as yourself are using harmful rhetoric such as this:

The point is, nothing was going to stop this nutter with a shit radical ideology that oppresses homosexuals, women and beliefs. This should be the real discussion. But neogaf cares more about taking away our guns, than the issue at hand here.

then I have every justification to post harshly, because you're part of the reason these murders happen so frequently and in such great numbers. I'm not going to sugarcoat it; by advocating against gun control measures you have blood on your hands. Politicians see that their constituency is against gun control, and block gun control legislation accordingly.

Don't you fucking get it? Yeah, this guy was probably a brainwashed nutter who was going to kill someone, legal gun or no legal gun. But what if it became very difficult for brainwashed nutters to purchase guns legally? Do you really think the U.S. murder rate wouldn't drop significantly? And if so, aren't you giving too much credit to the ingenuity of brainwashed nutters?

At minimum it would take decades to wipe out a radical ideology. We can have reasonable gun control measures implemented within a couple years. If you really cared about the families of the slain, you would try to do something productive about it, not just hoping or praying. Well here's something very simple, but very important that you can do: change your stance on gun control. Widespread change in the U.S. starts at the individual level, so wise up already.
 

JABEE

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He's saying they had it coming.

This really emphasizes the power that religious ideology holds over people. It's why it is important not to remove it from this discussion.

This isn't an Islam problem by itself. This is a fundamental issue with the need to hold on to scripture across all the Abrahamic religions.

There needs to be change in all people. Ideology can and should be criticized and condemned outright if it is based on hatred. Ancient hatred that should not be deemed acceptable in the modern world or protected from criticism.

Adapting to the criticisms makes sense, but the only way to do that is to give the actual scriptures much less power. Books written through men from different times than our own.

I'm not sure if what we are as humans including our prejudices are reflected by the words or the words of others have shaped us. I think everyone is just looking for answers on why horrible things like this keep happening.
 
3D printing sucks for guns.

Lathes and cnc mills however does not, and have been available to the general public for almost 80 years now.

People don't make their own guns because it requires too much effort compared to just getting one off the black market.

Lol, black market. You don't need a black market to easily buy a gun in America without a background check.
 

zethren

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RIP to all of the victims, and I hope for a speedy recovery in the wounded survivors. My thoughts go out to the many families now affected for the rest of their lives...

Worst mass shooting in US history...
 
All of this is just scary. We're getting close to post-9/11 public fear again. I was hoping we'd be moving away from tragedy but well falling right back into it.
Unfortunately that's what happens when a major political party leader is a racist who wants to ban Muslims from the country. At least he doesn't accept Wall Street money.
 
I don't know but if arrests are being made that would tell me that law enforcement is on top of it.

must suck to be law enforcement, working with one hand tied behind their back because NRA.

NRA officials should be required to mop up the blood and brains from mass shooting scenes.
 

Zapages

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Do you think all christians hate LGBT? Do you think all christians vote against gay rights? What are your assumptions and peoples assumptions about religion when christians cite passages in their bibles to excuse their actions and bigotry? Most importantly, if you are religious what are those against such bigotry and yourself going to do about it in your communities?

No,
No.
They were trying to show that people are bullying Muslims whereas similar text is found in other religions, which many bigots forget.

What can I do aside from condemning these actions... I even posted a link to a Toronto mosque that is open to LBGTQ community.
 

Einchy

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We live 35-40 minutes away from Orlando, there's currently a massive line at Wal-Mart to donate blood to the wounded.
 

TakumiTrueno

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It is very sad to see this happen. Mass shootings are common place now. Mass shootings will continue to happen and the government will continue to let them happen.
 

moai

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This is so sad. I really admire the us as a country but i cant believe they cant tackle the weapons ownership and ease of access problem. Thank god for my country laws that make it illegal to own automatic or military weapons.
 
We live 35-40 minutes away from Orlando, there's currently a massive line at Wal-Mart to donate blood to the wounded.

in my mind, the end of your sentence was, "to buy ammo."

glad it wasn't.

Are you serious?

as serious as one can be about something that obviously won't happen. I'd like them and their representatives to always be aware of the amount of blood their positions and resistance to sensible policies have added to their collective hands, yes
 

Yayate

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Seriously, at this point if you're part of the LBGT community you should stay indoors. These psychos are running around ready to kill people.

I don't think depriving us of living a regular life is the solution. That's exactly like punishing us for being what we are.

We shouldn't have to live in fear of hate, and just locking ourselves in is giving them exactly what they want.
 
Seriously, at this point if you're part of the LBGT community you should stay indoors. These psychos are running around ready to kill people.

Fuck that. That's exactly what these hateful pieces of shit want. That LGBT people are out and living their lives is exactly what they want to prevent.
 
I don't think depriving us of living a regular life is the solution. That's exactly like punishing us for being what we are.

We shouldn't have to live in fear of hate, and just locking ourselves in is giving them exactly what they want.
Why do you keep twisting my words. I never said lock away forever ffs. I'm just saying for now. Events like this build lots of tension. I would tell Muslims in America to be careful too for now since they're going to be blamed.
 

Ponn

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Clearly this was just some redneck piece of shit, and the illegal was a harmless child that he murdered in cold blood, right? Yeah, truly fucking disgusting. Here's the story, in his words:



Thank fucking god he had a gun.

That reads like a gun owners heroic fanfiction.

"He wiped the sweat from his brow and laughed at me while he brandished his knife at me"
 
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