Xaero Gravity
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I'm not saying that, in fact I agree with him, it's just clearly trying to spark a fanboy war in this thread.
Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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lowrider007
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yeah it seemed a bit reactionary to me, didn't seem to be needed really what with the Model S already announced.
i think it means that it can run games that are developed for future Xbox versions.
Like, your iPhone 6 can run an app that was written post iPhone 6S.
Or, your gameboy could RUN gameboy color cartridges (but of course not display the colors)
It feels a bit like they are trying to throw a wet blanket on console sales (mostly to slow down Sony) until the Scorpio launches with the hopes to turn things around.
Appears so but in 900p or so with lower resolution assets.
Long Division
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1080 will shit all over the scorpio..doesn't matter what time it happens.
Zombie James
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Doesn't surprise me. What we're looking at, at best, is a development board.
EventHorizon
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That's what I figured but then there is the problem of people needing to buy a new VR device plus a new high end console at the same time if they wanted to play VR. That is a huge price hurdle to overcome and at that point a PC starts to make more sense.
Also note that VR eliminates many of the benefits of consoles. You won't be playing VR games on your comfy couch on a big screen TV and the best sound system in your house. A person playing VR on a computer will have much the same experience as a person playing on a console.
Playstation has the benefit of introducing VR to a large install base of consoles. It doesn't require a super large up front cost.
Big Green Anus
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Yup, this consoles should have it's own exclusive games with backwards compatibility with X1 games. This system is strong enough to be it's own gen compared to the Neo.
I suppose their goal is to get enthusiasts to consider waiting for an Xbox Scorpio over getting an PS4 Neo later this year. That makes sense, I guess. They take a hit on Xbox One sales, which will be mitigated by the Xbox One S, and also have a fighting chance at competing during round two of this console generation.
Killer Queen
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Not everyone is going to buy a Scorpio. This is a cheaper option for those who aren't
Because "console optimization", especially when we are talking about GPU specs like we are here, is vastly overrated. Almost every single multiplatform game released on both PC and consoles this generation so far performs very similarly on similarly specced GPUs to consoles once you figure out what settings the latter are running at.
There are some like-for-like CPU advantages, especially compared to high-level APIs, but gaming-grade Intel CPUs are so much faster than what is in the consoles that they usually more than make up for that.
it'll do 4k/60 like Xbox one can do 1080p/60. That is - it *can* but most games will probably aim for 4k/30 for pretties.
ethomaz
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If you buy a PC now with a GTX 1070 it will already be stronger than next year Scorpio.
or they already had a few versions ready!
Marty Chinn
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Or it can be seen as Sony jumped the gun, especially since the Neo doesn't look like it will be about 4K gaming, but the Scorpio will.
Huge Succeeded
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Why do you think that?
It's not impossible to manage.
Y'all ever seen...
...a PC game? They, like, scale and shit. :O
Karak
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We have to start being straight in these discussions or its not going to go anywhere.
The design of the game is where the fps and resolution are factored in. If they want to hit 4k60 they can and the game will have the resources that allow for that. If they want to hit 4k30 the same. If they want it to run VR they will have to allot for that. And the same to make it work on Xbox One.
Resolution and framerate can simply not be bandied around without discussing the source material.
The design of the game is where the fps and resolution are factored in. If they want to hit 4k60 they can and the game will have the resources that allow for that. If they want to hit 4k30 the same. If they want it to run VR they will have to allot for that. And the same to make it work on Xbox One.
Resolution and framerate can simply not be bandied around without discussing the source material.
Not sure what to think of this. As a PC guy there is little reason for me to get this seeing as Xbox Exclusives are not a thing now, but I'm intriqued.
I seriously doubt 4K/60hz will be a possibility. There is simply no way they can get that into a single box at less than $600, it'll be a choice of 1080p/60 or 4K/30 for sure (or the latter with lesser graphical quality of course)
But my biggest worry is that there just isn't an audience for it. The PS3 showed that if your console is too expensive even the pedigree of the PS2 won't help it at launch, and this has the added issue of not even being a new generation.
I'll wait and see more. The price is going to make or break this thing.
I seriously doubt 4K/60hz will be a possibility. There is simply no way they can get that into a single box at less than $600, it'll be a choice of 1080p/60 or 4K/30 for sure (or the latter with lesser graphical quality of course)
But my biggest worry is that there just isn't an audience for it. The PS3 showed that if your console is too expensive even the pedigree of the PS2 won't help it at launch, and this has the added issue of not even being a new generation.
I'll wait and see more. The price is going to make or break this thing.
Scully Scully Scoo
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the most stupid thing ms can do, which they thankfully wont, is to have scorpio only games. this console model should work like pc, every xbox game should be able to run on all 3 consoles.
Hidden One
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They can't even get their crap together with Zelda.
Yeah I feel like the NX is gonna have really low sales.
Hopefully there will be different settings for games within the Scorpio itself, based on your resolution setting. If you have the console set at 4K you will get the 4K settings, if you're playing at something lower like 1080p you get the frame rate and graphics boost accordingly.
If you're getting the same detail at 1080p that you get at 4K that would suck.
If you're getting the same detail at 1080p that you get at 4K that would suck.
It depends on which graphics card you choose of course.
Isn't the 1070 6.5 teraflops?
So if you choose the 1070 it'll be a bit better.
BTW, feeling sad for my gaming PC right now with a 970 lol
A year and a half
VicDaMoan03
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Is there any reason to buy this if you don't intend to buy a 4k TV or VR anytime soon?
Goose_Se7en
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I thought the same thing, and after the leaks I hoped MS wouldn't mention Scorpio at all. But now I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that MS has conceded this gen to Sony. They are positioning themselves to launch a new, much stronger box in 2017.
And believe this, Xbox One games will be compatible on Scorpio but no way the reverse will be true. Perhaps at the beginning of the life cycle of Scorpio but not the entirety of it.
Risk Breaker
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B-but muh Teraflaps!!
Tal Shiar Agent
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So the rumor is that the NEO is using a stock AMD GPU that is 5tflops when at standard clock and it's being underclocked in the NEO for heat reasons to run at 4.14tflops. As well, the NEO specs aren't final. Is it out of the realm of possibility that Sony may invest in a better hest management system and set the NEO GPU to standard clock speed to run at 5tflops?
MikeE21286
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Yeah I mean I don't think you can compare TFLOPS on a console to TFLOPS on a GPU, but likely not. I would agree.
Obviously they don't care anymore about xbox one, it's a dead console not matter what they do.
Better step forward with scorpio.
Suzushiiro
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Neo isn't coming out until next year either. They'll probably launch around the same time and have around the same specs/price.
PodcastFips
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I just noticed that with this announcement, Xbox One sales are probably going to hit all new lows. Which is bad with a new model out there soon.
Yeah you're probably right I doubt they have the board fully designed.
Papacheeks
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You mean the current one we only know about config wise.
There's a reason those specs are not set in stone depending on Zen, Polaris chip mass production.
Seamus Blackley stated that all Xbox One games will work on Scorpio, but not vice versa. So basically cross-gen for a few years, then they'll just move to the new platform. I expect Scorpio exclusives whenever third parties don't want to bother with the Xbox One anymore, and Microsoft will just wait for it to happen naturally.
Looking at this wrong mate. You buy an S if you want a current gen console. You get a Scorpio if you want your investment to carry over to next gen.
MS lost this gen, hence they are going to restart it next year
Zok310
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Does indeed sounds like a beast, but they announced it way too early.
When Neo marketing start rolling if coming this year, everyone is going to forget this. Unless MS plans on running ads for this when Neo launches I don't see this impacting Neo 1 year out from launch.
Announced waaaay too early. Not to mention it gives So y and Nintendo a year to adjust.
When Neo marketing start rolling if coming this year, everyone is going to forget this. Unless MS plans on running ads for this when Neo launches I don't see this impacting Neo 1 year out from launch.
Announced waaaay too early. Not to mention it gives So y and Nintendo a year to adjust.
360 had a better GPU, but in theoretical terms PS3 was more 'powerful' due to cell. Didn't show it other than exclusives though, due to complexity.
I wouldn't be surprised in the coming days and weeks we learn that they don't even have a prototype and the specs are what Microsoft is targeting for and may change before launch. Honestly it is incredible dangerous move on Microsofts part. They basically showed their hand and allowing Sony to decide which direction to go.
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