gamechanger87
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That's ok with them. Will you buy MS games on PC?
Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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That's ok with them. Will you buy MS games on PC?
DeepEnigma
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Translation...
We need much more brute force for our less than desirable engine optimization for VR.
They had nothing new to the table for software really, so I see why this was done to shift focus.
I don't think this is a good argument. I get where you are coming from, but games that are coming out on PCs today, are still able to run on PCs that are 5+ years old.
The idea that a game needs to be specifically designed for one piece of hardware is out-dated. Sure, technically, if developers focus on one piece of hardware, they might be able to squeeze out more power. But that's no longer a viable option for most developer's nowadays.
I don't have any hard statistics for what I am about to say, but I'm sure most game developers build their games on powerful workstations/PCs and than downscale the settings for it to run well on Xbox One and PS4.
Agree, and that's what I meant with Project Scorpio not really being a mid-cycle update, but being a true next-gen console.
None. And I bet very few are even nowadays for Xbox One and PS4. Most games are build on PCs nowadays and than adjusted to run well on PS4 and Xbox One.
Flintty
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The same way you can run the same games on low end and high end PCs but with auto optimisation. Come on people, its really not that hard to understand.
zackmorris
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To the people who know PC gaming, how much would it cost to build a PC with comparable specs today? Is this as powerful as a mid-tier PC or is it more in line with higher end PCs?
That 4K line has me pretty confused, because I thought that was only really prevalent in higher end machines(without compromising other specs that is).
That 4K line has me pretty confused, because I thought that was only really prevalent in higher end machines(without compromising other specs that is).
I think someone is hyperboleing that a console they paid money for somehow becomes irrelevant and they feel cheated because something better is coming down the road eventually.
The horror of new technology.
Milly Osworth
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So.... how will games on the Xbox AFTER Scorpio run on the current Xbone? 5 fps?
NullPointer
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This would be a sad way to go.
lol yeah they are going to sell >100m ps4 the panic is real haha
Exactly.
Pretty simple concept and as was said today, it's what people are used to with digital consumption on other devices.
We all are just conditioned from 30 years of how it was done before. Me, literally, since I started with Atari 2600 on release day
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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That's what I don't get about this. I know people say "some people just don't like to game on PC" but if every major exclusive is going to be available on PC, it just makes sense in the long run.
Whatever anyway. I said at the start of this gen that this would be my last one and I meant it. I'm down to pick up a Neo, but a Scorpio will be a step too far. I'll just build/upgrade my PC and leave it at that.
ninjablade
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as a person that only owns a macbook air, how much would a pc cost me with scorpio specs. that i can hook up to a tv? under my tv stand i'm thinking 800$-900$.
Quadraphonic
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It's impossible for this to be a great value if they haven't even announced a price.
Calm waterfall
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The XBox division does not have all of MS´s money you know. If the Scorpio will lose them money then that´s not good for their division.
NOLA_Gaffer
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There's a big segment of customers (myself included) that don't want to deal with the hassle of building or upgrading a PC. And there's what consoles are for.
wesleyshark
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This. This. This.
Killer Queen
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2013 is that you?
RowdyReverb
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I should think games will scale similarly to how they scale on high vs low end PCs
Zombie James
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Don't trust Bethesda with anything technological.
lol I don't think 500GB drives are going to be available at the end of 2017, it will be obsolete, maybe SSDs
As of june 29th with the 480 building a PC like this would cost about $600. Maybe less if you skimp on the CPU. There's a new generation of graphics cards out that can run 4k/30 reasonably well.
Officerrob
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2-3 max
Negotiator
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I guess this is why it has the code name "Scorpio":
Your move, Sony. You've been complacent for too long this gen. I want the good ol' Sony of the PS3 era (better PS+ line up, frequent firmware updates, better accessory support -still waiting for Bluetooth mics-). If they can also match (or even exceed) the 6TF spec target, that's an added bonus. Zen is a must as well. $499. Just do it.
Your move, Sony. You've been complacent for too long this gen. I want the good ol' Sony of the PS3 era (better PS+ line up, frequent firmware updates, better accessory support -still waiting for Bluetooth mics-). If they can also match (or even exceed) the 6TF spec target, that's an added bonus. Zen is a must as well. $499. Just do it.
SavoyPrime
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rokkerkory
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Just re-watched the announcement video.
"over 320 GB/s" of memory bandwidth
"8 cpu cores"
this stuff is just as exciting a the 6TF gpu
I wonder what the overall power is for this thing.
"over 320 GB/s" of memory bandwidth
"8 cpu cores"
this stuff is just as exciting a the 6TF gpu
I wonder what the overall power is for this thing.
Excellent announcement by Microsoft (apart from the "highest quality pixels"-part, that was funny). It's still far off, so we'll see how things work out for them, but a market with several players bringing out competitive, appealing products is great for everyone, so I hope all the best for them.
Though personally I'm building a VR-ready gaming PC soon, so I won't really need it.
Though personally I'm building a VR-ready gaming PC soon, so I won't really need it.
Console gamers will get an introduction to what PC gamers went through in recent years.
People building gaming PCs in 2011-2012 had systems outstripped consoles in power by ridiculous margins, but were mostly just playing games built with 6-7 year old hardware in mind. Solid IQ/framerate and better textures were nice, but we didn't really start seeing games look like they were making a generational leap from uprezzed 360 title until 2014-2015.
These systems will run into the same issues with 95% of the games released.
Console manufacturers love to throw up the smartphone hardware cycle when justifying these upgraded systems, but how many games/apps actually make use of the latest generation of flagship phone hardware when they release? So few as to be virtually 0%.
Sony said it more simpler , it's like smartphones
no, but if you make the broad statement that MS lost so much ground because of the DRM Fiasco and the specs being underpowered, then those problems have been fixed.
Every other decision about the Xbox One is broadly categorised under those things.
Netherscourge
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GTX 1080 = 9.0 TFLOPS
GTX 1070 = 6.5 TFLOPS
GTX 980Ti = 6.5 TFLOPS
Scorpio GPU = 6.0 TFLOPS (Assuming Nvidia's grading system?)
NEO GPU = ~4.5 to 5.5? TFLOPS (Assuming Nvidia's grading system?)
GTX 980 = 5.3 TFLOPS
For comparison. All pretty much within range, so far as 1080p is concerned. All support VR too.
It's the 4K with xx FPS when things get fuzzy.
The GTX 1080 will obviously shoot the benchmarks off the chart, but the rest seem to be pretty close in performance.
So, HOPEFULLY, we won't see much variance in Graphics or Performance in the coming "GEN" of games between PC/Scorpio/Neo. Exclusives will mean much more than they even do right now.
/fingers crossed.
GTX 1080 = 9.0 TFLOPS
GTX 1070 = 6.5 TFLOPS
GTX 980Ti = 6.5 TFLOPS
Scorpio GPU = 6.0 TFLOPS (Assuming Nvidia's grading system?)
NEO GPU = ~4.5 to 5.5? TFLOPS (Assuming Nvidia's grading system?)
GTX 980 = 5.3 TFLOPS
For comparison. All pretty much within range, so far as 1080p is concerned. All support VR too.
It's the 4K with xx FPS when things get fuzzy.
The GTX 1080 will obviously shoot the benchmarks off the chart, but the rest seem to be pretty close in performance.
So, HOPEFULLY, we won't see much variance in Graphics or Performance in the coming "GEN" of games between PC/Scorpio/Neo. Exclusives will mean much more than they even do right now.
/fingers crossed.
The thing is I don't see this changing the software distribution.
Let's face one thing: This is not gonna change the situation of xbox in japan at all so I don't see it getting it additional japanese support except for one token game like they had at the release of xbone. After that, sales will just die
And I don't expect it to sell gangbusters in europe either as it has very little brand loyalty over here.
Now with that said, i'm really confused by this huge jump in specs considering it's STILL linked to the xbox one thing and brings back my fears about iterative console.
Either these specs will be meaningless because games will still have to run at a good level on both xbox one and scorpio. Not counting that devs will still want to get that ps4 and psneo market.
And I guess they want to be future ready for evolution of gens, but since we're going iterative consoles at this point, why bother making something so powerful if it's going to be underutilized ?
Unless, of course, they're really gonna push games on the Xcorpio, meaning xbone owners will feel even more boned as now they'll feel they're missing out on a way superior experience barely 4 years after the start of this gen
Let's face one thing: This is not gonna change the situation of xbox in japan at all so I don't see it getting it additional japanese support except for one token game like they had at the release of xbone. After that, sales will just die
And I don't expect it to sell gangbusters in europe either as it has very little brand loyalty over here.
Now with that said, i'm really confused by this huge jump in specs considering it's STILL linked to the xbox one thing and brings back my fears about iterative console.
Either these specs will be meaningless because games will still have to run at a good level on both xbox one and scorpio. Not counting that devs will still want to get that ps4 and psneo market.
And I guess they want to be future ready for evolution of gens, but since we're going iterative consoles at this point, why bother making something so powerful if it's going to be underutilized ?
Unless, of course, they're really gonna push games on the Xcorpio, meaning xbone owners will feel even more boned as now they'll feel they're missing out on a way superior experience barely 4 years after the start of this gen
gamechanger87
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I've tried. Apparently people don't seem to understand it and are focused on the closed box system. It's dead.
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The relative difference is the same, it's a factor of 1.5x
Graphics Horse
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Based on the die they showed, that didn't look like Polaris 10. It seemed about the same size (slightly smaller) than Polaris 10.
It also seemed to be using traditional GDDR5 memory and not HBM. The 320GB/s also lines up very well with GDDR5x like I have been speculating, only at higher clock speeds.
They specifically said "SOC" so unless I'm missing something that seems really small
But doesn't it look like there are 12, presumably 1GB chips? If so would that be a 384 bit interface and slower clock than you said?
Leyasu
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Lol why?? As far as I remember, fh2 was pretty damn great on the 360! Pls explain.
If Neo already has dev kits out in the wild and is really only 6-8 months away, I don't really see how Sony can answer this. If they can't match or better the Scorpio's performance, it's going to be tough to sell people on buying another Playstation for just for some moderate upgrades and 4K upscaling. It's too much of a half-step to be really compelling at that point. They can't really talk up the Neo's specs anyway, if it's just been completely outclassed by Scorpio.
I think they would probably be better off cancelling the Neo as we know it and going back to the drawing board on a more capable upgrade system -- though I don't know if 18 months is enough time to engineer a mostly new console.
I think they would probably be better off cancelling the Neo as we know it and going back to the drawing board on a more capable upgrade system -- though I don't know if 18 months is enough time to engineer a mostly new console.
If this xbox is really 6 t's, I'm day one.
I hope Sony is crying and whimpering somewhere in a corner. Competition is good for consumers. Sony and Microsoft going into a power war is a win for everyone.
I hope Sony is crying and whimpering somewhere in a corner. Competition is good for consumers. Sony and Microsoft going into a power war is a win for everyone.
riskVSreward
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So I guess they are waiting for the Scorpio to launch before they unlock the power of the stacked dye in all existing Xbones...
/misterxmedia
Not ignorant, just not drinking the koolaid and can think of this from a strategic pov.
So say PS Neo launches this year (because if you are so set on believing in rumors, you must go all the way). That means Sony will leave MS in the dust power wise and sales wise even more so for one year. You honestly believe that 'obviously everyone will wait for a scorpio'? lol come on now. Tell you what, let's see how this plays out and have this convo again. Bookmark this. Sony is not at a disadvantage as you may think they are here.
Oh and Sony did bump specs for PS4 after the initial dev kits fyi. But again let's see the final specs release and the launch date and see if your theory of people not buying Neo and holding out for Scorpio play out
Shpeshal Nick
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If dev kits are in Devs hands, Neo won't be getting any significant bumps.
It's ok that Scorpio will be more powerful. The world won't end and sales won't be affected. You'll all be fine.
It's ok that Scorpio will be more powerful. The world won't end and sales won't be affected. You'll all be fine.
Backfoggen
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I know, right ;P
Lmao MS in their original arrogant mode.
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