andythinkpad
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Bernie Sanders demands Democratic Party reforms
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kame-sennin
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It's actually crazy that people are rejecting this just because Bernie proposed it. Why would people be against a more democratic system?
Because they're not reasonable changes. The system is designed to prevent a guy like Bernie or Trump from winning. The system worked.
Because democracy is not in and of itself a good thing.
Joke post?
It's not just because Bernie has proposed it, the actual demands suck and don't make sense.
If you factor that SD's would be rolled into the overall proportioned delegate allocation, he'd have lost the pledge delegate count by far more.
SD's had nothing to do with him losing.
I'm rejecting them because they're fucking dumb. None of those make sense for the party.
Well first of all it's not a social democratic party. It's a coalition of young voters, old voters, minorities, environmentalists, liberals, moderates, conservatives, all working together for progressive reform. But since it's a big coalition, not everyone always gets their way. Hence the internal conflict that plagues the party more often than the GOP.
Because the Democratic party wants to actually win elections.
FunkyMunkey
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people are either going to react to this news in a positive or negative light. calling those that react negatively as having a "sanders hate-boner" is some generalizing bullshit. there's a ton of valid reasons why the situation regarding sanders is frustrating a lot of people and this list of demands, coming from someone who lost a race, is just one extra calorie in the giant cake of pettiness sanders is still making
he wants to make it easier for outsiders (independents) to utilize a different political party to their own advantage. it's horseshit plain and simple.
there's other posts breaking down why what he's demanding is unreasonable but people here should already know (and be smarter than that). there's a reason bernie didn't win and that's because voters want clinton over him, in every single conceivable metric you can use barring facebook likes
And_Gignac
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Didn't cock uses and open primaries also helped Obama win over Hillary in 2008?
Why would you want cock uses gone?
Why would you want cock uses gone?
I don't get it, are people REALLY this upset someone is trying to enact change in their government. It's really bizarre how much I've been defending Bernie lately considering that even if I was a US citizen I wouldn't be voting for him, but my god some of the rhetoric is crazy.
Are people really so extremely FILLED with vitriol that someone is asking for government reform?
That a congress member of 16 years, and life long politician DARE suggest the things he's literally been petitioning for his entire life?
I mean, he got very nearly half the votes in the primaries for goodness sakes. If that doesn't lend to someone's ability to talk about political reform then no one except the president ought to be able to have any opinions on anything.
EDIT: And just to be clear, I'm not referring to people who are batting down the actual points, that's good. I'm referring to stuff like
Are people really so extremely FILLED with vitriol that someone is asking for government reform?
That a congress member of 16 years, and life long politician DARE suggest the things he's literally been petitioning for his entire life?
I mean, he got very nearly half the votes in the primaries for goodness sakes. If that doesn't lend to someone's ability to talk about political reform then no one except the president ought to be able to have any opinions on anything.
EDIT: And just to be clear, I'm not referring to people who are batting down the actual points, that's good. I'm referring to stuff like
His Majesty
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As an outsider to American politics the concepts of closed primaries, caucasuses and superdelegates have always seemed like very undemocratic and unreasonable to me.
The Lamonster
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Closed primaries and superdelegates are good things. I'd love a more progressive platform, though.
Wafflecakes
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Oh please.
1. Getting rid of the DNC chair is pure spite. It is a thankless job. The fact that Bernie is trying to get her primaried just shows what a petty little man he is.
2. States decide this. Not the DNC.
3. Negotiable.
4. Already is progressive. Bernie just only acknowledges his own progressiveness because he is an egomaniac.
But when the alternative is the fucking GOP, very few Democrats will switch sides.
Does your country have a similar voting system?? How would you feel if a bunch of competition voted in your party to sabotage the outcome?
If independents want to vote for a non democrat, like Bernie, A) he should run independent, and B) they shouldn't hyjack that party.
googleplex
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5) Each Southern black votes will count as 3/5 of a vote.
6) Each Reddit upvotes counts as double the votes.
6) Each Reddit upvotes counts as double the votes.
Imperfected
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I don't know, maybe it's because he opens right out of the gate with a petty, childish, and completely self-serving demand at #1?
Dash_Riprock
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Keep yelling at that cloud, Sanders.
Because it comes across as the butthurt whining of a sore loser.
Because it comes across as the butthurt whining of a sore loser.
benicillin
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DWS has seemed pretty bad as a DNC chair. I think a lot of people would be okay with getting rid of her.
Many of Sanders' voters: Not actually liberals/reliable Dem voters.
There's going to be a lot of vitriol here. I will say, I'm surprised to see the support for superdelegates, shocked even. They are undemocratic. But then so are caucuses. I'd like to see both gotten rid of.
These are some pretty big concessions to ask for. I mean, Sanders got 45% of the popular vote, so he gets to make demands, but these are heavy ones. I'd like to see the party been more consistently progressive across the board, so I support that, and getting rid of supers, but wanting a new DNC head is more than a little bit petty.
These are some pretty big concessions to ask for. I mean, Sanders got 45% of the popular vote, so he gets to make demands, but these are heavy ones. I'd like to see the party been more consistently progressive across the board, so I support that, and getting rid of supers, but wanting a new DNC head is more than a little bit petty.
StopMakingSense
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And exactly how does your country's political parties pick their leaders?
TheLostBigBoss
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Tell me, how do you view countries that hold democratic elections without the voters deciding who the Prime Minister will be in terms of voting within the party?
If you want to decide the direction of a political party, then join it so you can vote for it in primaries. Why is this concept so hard to understand.
The Lamonster
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Closed primaries and superdelegates protect the party from electing a "Trump."
Republicans are kicking themselves for not having superdelegates right now.
What country are you from? If it's a parliamentary system, it's probably more undemocratic than ours.
You do understand that these are all to pick a party nominee, and are not features of the actual elections?
Can new voters vote in a closed primary?
Evo Shandor
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I think that most people here who are not American disagree with this sentiment. It is true that the Democratic Party is more liberal than their only real competition but this is not equal to them having a progressive platform. Are parts of it progressive? Absolutely. Would the whole of the Democratic Party's policies reflect this? Doubtful. I say this as a Canadian that has lived the majority of his life under the governance of the Liberal Party which, until fairly recently, was considered centrist on the political spectrum. Both American political parties fall farther on the right of the spectrum than the Liberal party and, as such, cannot really have what can be considered a wholly progressive platform.
Lmao
benicillin
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Nate Cohn made a pretty good point on Twitter I think that the way they are set up currently though is kind of a perception problem - it makes it appear like the party elite has their finger on the scales when Clinton can start the primary process with a few hundred superdelegate votes before the process really even begins. I'm fine with superdelegates, I understand their purpose, but they could probably reengineer them a bit.
Because it would make it more difficult to get elected since the type of progressives that you are referring to are a minority even in the democratic party. Seems like a pretty good reason to me considering that we live in a representative democracy.
gutter_trash
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Speaking on Canada:
Canadian parties are super closed. Especially the Conservatives and the NDP are both ultra-closed.
The Liberals however are trying to make party membership free and allowed online voting in 2013 for party ''sympathizers''
Thinking about it, what's the point of calling for all open primaries AND same-day registration? I mean, if there was same-day registration, anyone would be able to register in whatever party whose primary they want to vote in the day of the election, even if it were to be a closed primary.
Sounds like all closed primaries + same-day registration would be best to boost party mebership.
Sounds like all closed primaries + same-day registration would be best to boost party mebership.
googleplex
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This is such a tired and stupid argument. What in the blue hell dose what passes for Progressive in other parts of the world matters here?
They are, but I do support closed primaries myself. Open primaries are risky because they open you up to manipulation by the other side. I agree about caucuses and superdelegates though. They are undemocratic and should be abandoned.
Darryl M R
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Ouch!
Already Torn
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Nobody cares what you think anymore Bernie.
"Lincoln Chaffee demands Democratic Party reforms"
"Lincoln Chaffee demands Democratic Party reforms"
Exactly haha
Slackerish
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He's dropping out Thu?
Where in that list is removing his ability to take his votes that he earned to the convention?
Why not remove caucuses? Why not remove delegates & just do whoever has the most votes?
you have to pay to be registered as a member of a political party?
davepoobond
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he is basically making i so he can try and win in 2020. lol
Jeffolation
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And the Queen is on our currency. Are we even a democracy? /s
You know that time when Tories could pay 3 quid and vote for a joke to be elected leader of the Labour party?
That.
What county are you from?
BinaryPork2737
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I agree with this at least, the more incentives (shorter waiting times in this instance) to vote the better.
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