Final Fantasy XII Devs Considering a New Game Using the Gambit System
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Hibiki Kurosawa
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Hells yes! Do it! I want more of these systems expanded.
So goddamn beautiful!
Not at all. The image quality is quite crisp, though I was playing on a shit TV. The environment textures appear rather low-res but they use an upscaling technique (perhaps similar to Okami HD) which gives them a painted look. It's really not bad.
It's the characters that really shine, though. They're aren't especially complex, but they still manage to look rather modern. Lots of nice depth of field effects in there as well.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to capture anything from it so I'm not sure I can do much with it right now.
Shitty off-screen cell phone shot
So goddamn beautiful!
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
so glad we might get a new game using the gambit system in 10 years.
Yep, it was a really lame idea and system. 95% of the gameplay was pressing the directional pad. It shouldn't be used again.
Well XV is using them.
Ah what? Like....what?
Ghost Slayer
Member
Thanks. The off-screen looks great, FFX HD is amazing minus character model so I don't worry much about this remaster
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Well see I disagree. I think the gambit system is fine. It just needed more in-game challenge to spur user interaction/creativity more so you wouldn't be just pressing the d-pad and letting the game play itself.
Exentryk
Member
Gambits are one of the best systems ever imagined. So go hurry up and make something with it.
Even if they are using a similar system internally, we don't have control over them to direct the AIs.
Even if they are using a similar system internally, we don't have control over them to direct the AIs.
I think the paradigm system from XIII is much better and more engaging.It involves input from the player before and during the battle.
FFXII becomes a really passive experience once you get the hang of setting up your gambits.
I honestly turned off the gambits and input every command in real time instead.
FFXII becomes a really passive experience once you get the hang of setting up your gambits.
I honestly turned off the gambits and input every command in real time instead.
AI for the party, they haven't detailed the whole system though.
Exentryk
Member
That depends on the player entirely. It only saves the tedium out of repetitive actions like healing at low healths, Esuna for ailments, etc. People that prefer doing everything themselves can do so. That's the beauty of this system, that it lets players customize exactly to suit their needs.
I also like the paradigm system though, but it sometimes gets tedious to switch every time (for simple things like cure, etc). May be a combination of the two systems can be worth investigating?
Not at all. The image quality is quite crisp, though I was playing on a shit TV. The environment textures appear rather low-res but they use an upscaling technique (perhaps similar to Okami HD) which gives them a painted look. It's really not bad.
It's the characters that really shine, though. They're aren't especially complex, but they still manage to look rather modern. Lots of nice depth of field effects in there as well.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to capture anything from it so I'm not sure I can do much with it right now.
Shitty off-screen cell phone shot
That looks nice, thanks for the pic! not sure how I feel about the textures but I guess it might look better in motion
Take elements from Last Remnant and shove it into Gambits with options for micromanagement and that'd get me hyped.
Imagine using larger army squads all over the battlefield with some fighting automatically and others with refined Gambits (as opposed to choosing one of 4-5 randomise options for a squad)
Imagine using larger army squads all over the battlefield with some fighting automatically and others with refined Gambits (as opposed to choosing one of 4-5 randomise options for a squad)
Valkerionseven
Member
Exactly how I played it too.
All the rest was switching characters to use abilities and what not and it was a blast for me. With the occasional use -insert- ability for bosses and what not.
Gambits remains one of the more genius additions to FF, and it sucks that we haven't seen it expanded on or refined outside of the Zodiac release of XII.
A new game that does that (and bonus points if it's set in Ivalice) would be so fucking good I don't even know how I'd contain my excitement. Man.
A new game that does that (and bonus points if it's set in Ivalice) would be so fucking good I don't even know how I'd contain my excitement. Man.
CrimsonSquall
Member
I'm so cool, I play the game unneccesarily hard is what you are saying
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Yes please. FF XV seems like it won't be something I'll enjoy, so I'll take a FF XII-2, thank you.
Ploid 3.0
Member
I remember liking Dragon Age II's tactics even more than origins. You could combo the conditions to create pretty specific command combos. Example
Tactic 2: If opponent is brittle go to tactic 25
Tactic 3-24: Blah Blah Blah
Tactic 25: if opponent is elite or above use ability : Mighty Blow (combo - bonus damage to brittle enemies)
And I agree, more gambit tactics in games, and DAII's depth or better would be awesome. Screw DA:I's even though the AI are actually smart when you set them to follow themselves.
Still a relief to hear. Hope they manage it.
Movalpolos
Banned
They should do it. It's a great system.
Revolutionary
Member
Yes please. I've always loved the Gambit system.
AuthenticM
Member
I believe Verendus said that XVI is that game.
neoism
Member
yea i fucking LOVVVED the gambit system... pls sqaure
Well that doesn't sound like gambits level of AI control. More like what Tales of games have been doing.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Gambit system was reason #1 I quit FFXII. If I wanted to pretend to be a programmer I'd be a coder. Fooling with that system felt like work and once you put the effort the game played itself with only you needing to move the left analog stick. I hated it.
More power for those who liked it but the next game Square implements Gambits on is the game Im skipping.
More power for those who liked it but the next game Square implements Gambits on is the game Im skipping.
Monocle
Member
This would be great. You can set up some really clever and complex strategies with FFXII's gambit system. I would love to play a new game with an updated version of that.
That doesn't make sense. There was nothing to stop you from playing the game normally and simply automating common behaviors like healing when a character had under 50% health. You were free to use gambits as much or as little as you saw fit. It's what I did for probably half the game, until Youtube showed me the inventive strategies that were possible with gambits.
More importantly, I would like to see a game that not only has gambits, but required understanding and investing in super complex setups to complete. I mean, my Gambit setups were pretty complex and did all sorts of cool stuff, but that is only because I was invested in the system. Someone who is not could theoretically have gotten by with a bare setup.
All this is moot though. I remembered their limp followup. I remember Fortress never making it anywhere. I refuse to fall for this trap.
You know, some games will quite literally play themselves if you set the A.I. to do so. Tales games being a prime example.
The games will only do that if you abrogate control: If you found FFXII playing itself, it is because you did not find it interesting enough to bother controlling in any meaningful manner.
All this is moot though. I remembered their limp followup. I remember Fortress never making it anywhere. I refuse to fall for this trap.
You know, some games will quite literally play themselves if you set the A.I. to do so. Tales games being a prime example.
The games will only do that if you abrogate control: If you found FFXII playing itself, it is because you did not find it interesting enough to bother controlling in any meaningful manner.
Freeglader
Member
Yes please!! I love the gambit system and I love Ivalice!
Not at all. The image quality is quite crisp, though I was playing on a shit TV. The environment textures appear rather low-res but they use an upscaling technique (perhaps similar to Okami HD) which gives them a painted look. It's really not bad.
It's the characters that really shine, though. They're aren't especially complex, but they still manage to look rather modern. Lots of nice depth of field effects in there as well.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to capture anything from it so I'm not sure I can do much with it right now.
Shitty off-screen cell phone shot
Was voice acting in English? And if so, tincan or no tincan talking?
Hypemaster
Member
Gambits are my favorite(dem if-them statements), go for it.
Good, combat system was the best thing about FF12 and the game didn't nearly explore all the possibilities it allowed for.
They should allow the player to passively determine where the non controlled players position themselves too. I remember at least one enemy that had a frontal cone AOE attack that I couldn't prevent my dumb ass allies from standing in the way of.
They should allow the player to passively determine where the non controlled players position themselves too. I remember at least one enemy that had a frontal cone AOE attack that I couldn't prevent my dumb ass allies from standing in the way of.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
You mean Yes Please, I'll take two!
man it would be nice if they add extra costumes
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Lol.
Well, I know GAF loves FFXII, can't say the same for the other people.
Napalm_Frank
Member
KH2 remake, huh?
Anyway. Dream Drop Distance is not a great game but at least it's more interesting and fun than XII. Not even gonna run ere.