Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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HazySaiyan
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I'm the same, I've felt out of place in this country for years but the general election and this referendum has hammered home how true that really is.
Lol when did Joey Essex weigh in.I can see the thought process. Unfortunately, Clarkson is trusted even less than Dave on EU matters:
Not as bad as Tony Blair though!
JonathanEx
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Update: Gunman arrested. 52 year old man.
Eyewitness reports (unconfirmed): He shouted 'Britain first'
Edit: nevermind, didn't realise there's a new topic
Eyewitness reports (unconfirmed): He shouted 'Britain first'
Edit: nevermind, didn't realise there's a new topic
Exterminieren
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MPs being shot by apparent nationalist extremists on the streets, and unabashed racist propaganda being unveiled by a major political party. What a fucking time.
I would argue that forcing a currency on economies that can't support it was and is a lot more irresponsible, as with enforcing austerity on already-broken economies.
Miles Quaritch
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He apparently shouted Britain First...
ClosingADoor
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Those countries could have chosen not to join and not give in. The UK and Denmark didn't for example. But if you now join the EU, you get the Euro yes.
But these are two separate discussions. The Eurozone is not the same as the EU and the EU countries that are not ready yet, are not having the Euro for now. Mistakes were made with Greece, Italy and Spain by joining the Euro, but that is easy to say looking back. And they wanted to join themselves.
The EU isn't perfect, plenty of mistakes were made and will continue being made. And we should be upset about that and force them to do better. But just quitting it all and hoping something better will replace it with absolutely no plan in place is not a good option.
How, exactly? People have been saying that for years and nothing has changed.
We could perhaps actually vote in eu elections and not fill it with obstructionists.
ClosingADoor
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Like we do when we don't like things government does. By voting for good national governments that will direct the EU in the direction it is needed and actually showing up for the EU Parliament elections in a decent number.
Next to that you can think if things like protests and strikes if it is really needed, although that is harder to coordinate then on a national or even local level of course.
It would also be nice if our media wouldn't go along with all the EU myths going around and reinforce them, and actually call bullshit when it is said by politicians, both the ones in favor and against the EU of course.
Well, the real power in the EU is with national governments anyway, so if people are dissatisfied with an aspect of the EU, they should be voting in different national governments. If they feel European cooperation in general is a poor idea, then voting to leave the EU seems the right decision.
I'm aware of the council of ministers but us not turning up for the 'undemocratic' elections leaving only brexit people becoming our meps doesn't exactly help making the eu better.
Oh, it absolutely doesn't, ideally people would vote in both for those who articulate views that best match their own desires for how the EU is to function.
For instance, I personally vote for parties that seek to achieve the original vision for European cooperation as described in the Schuman declaration. And I of course hope that the British voters will decide that their country has a future as part of the European Union, as I feel like both the other EU members and Britain itself gain much from it, and will gain even more in the future if we improve upon the current workings of the EU.
Agreed.
If remain wins we need to hugely raise the profile of mep elections in this country.
I dont know about either of the campaigns but you can bet your bottom dollar that one or more of the papers will.
I don't think either side will use it directly.
If it turns out the guy was shouting Britain First as he did this, I would hope it makes people reconsider what the Leave campaign have actively been engaged in over the last few weeks. This type of barrage of lies over immigration, that so clearly feeds on racism and jingoism, is not healthy for public discourse and an embarrassment to the country.
TBH, if he did shout Britain First, as crazy at it sounds I can see a influx of remain voters, as people react to stuff like this, like the picture of the dead 2 year old with the immigrants
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Leave will want to avoid it like the plague if the rumours about what happened are true.
I could see Remain using it to point at the sort of people it's empowering, but I don;t think they necessarily will need to.
wth are you talking about are you suggesting the leave campaign would endorse this kind of action ?
ferrasvansen
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Yep no doubt about it, even the Sun which is pro leave is saying on its Web pages the "Britain First" story which I'm sure they wouldn't do unless it had some basis given their loyalties.
I'm not saying they would or did at all.
But they have been using lies about immigration as their main point of campaigning. Farage literally unveiled a campaign poster this morning that is identical to one the Nazis used depicting a steam of immigrants flowing the country. The focus on immigration is based on lies, misinformation and racism and it's despicable to see it in the public discourse in this way.
Wouldn't make any difference, people didn't give a shit before, they won't give a shit in the future.
The British are all bluff and fluster, they give it all that, talk the talk etc, but when it comes down to it, they just can't be bothered.
At the end of the day we had Farage in front of a sign warning about the invasion of brown faced people this morning.
If its true hes a right wing nut it absolutely should be used politically to at least bring the rhetoric under control. Its possible she was targeted for participating in the Flotilla nonsense yesterday.
If its true hes a right wing nut it absolutely should be used politically to at least bring the rhetoric under control. Its possible she was targeted for participating in the Flotilla nonsense yesterday.
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Stuff like Farage's poster absolutely empowers this kind of maniac, yes.
You run a reactionary, dog-whistling campaign, and you reap the results.
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A sickening, appalling tragedy. Rest in peace.
Wrestlemania
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...and what has happened to Jo Cox is exactly the kind of thing I was thinking about. Fucking hell, if this is what happens during the leadup to the referendum, what the fuck are we in for after it? Even if we stay I'm sure this stirring of the worst parts of the right is going to have some horrible ongoing implications, but if we leave? Fuck.
anonymous_abc
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But it is in a state of constant change.
For the first time the President was pushed through by the EP against the express wishes of the commission. But sure nothing has changed and we are stagnating.
Or get called both.
milanbaros
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Let's be honest. If it were to be one side of the debate are we surprised it was leave?
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I certainly hope this horrendous, evil referendum campaign has been worth it for all concerned.
Cameron, Johnson, Farage... they all have blood on their hands, as far as I'm concerned.
Cameron, Johnson, Farage... they all have blood on their hands, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not going to defend the Leave campaign at all, but they definitely don't have a monopoly on idiotic and condensing fear mongering. When one side is saying that leaving is going to cause WW3 and the other is saying that remaining will mean 100 million Turks are going to invade the country then what do people think is going to happen?
Both sides should hang their heads in shame. This whole campaign has destroyed what little faith I had in our political process.
Regardless of the outcome, the whole affair has cast the entire country in a bad light.
milanbaros
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I don't agree with you fully but this just seems like the conclusion of a political fight which I didn't think I would see in the UK in my life.
This whole process has decended into madness and now this.
Britain First aren't on either side of the debate. They aren't intellectually capable of debate.
While you might not agree with Britain First (and in case anyone here does, GAF is not for you), they are absolutely on the leave side of the debate. You don't get to choose who sides with you unfortunately.
I'm not suggesting what "side" they are on, I'm saying that knuckle dragging thuggery is not contributing towards the in/out "debate".
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The In/Out debate is contributing to knuckle-dragging thuggery, which is significantly worse.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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As much as I'd caution against this I really wanna see the leave going down.
No, they don't. This is absolute nonsense. There is only one person at fault here, the perpetrator.
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If you want to ignore the heightening of the rhetoric over the past few months and the fact that one of the campaigns has started displaying Nazi-style propaganda, you be my guest.
These campaigns have emboldened and legitimised fascists and the far right. To deny that is myopic.
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