Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

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Cameron bringing out the big guns

https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/743408737872904192
Chatting to @JeremyClarkson and @MrJamesMay. We all agree Britain is #StrongerIN - vote Remain on 23rd June.
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Look at those hundred of thousands of refugees that have not impacted UK in any way!

That actually isn't true - last year featured heavy travel disruption to and from France due to the crisis.

This is, of course, not an EU issue. The migrant crisis is a pan-Europe issue to do with the Schengen Area, and far-outstretched refugee capacity, which is not much to do with the EU, excepting Greece's poverty.

Farage and his far-right mates mocked the EU for attempting in its own way to help deal with the migrant crisis, which has been made much worse by Britain's lack of leadership on this front (to the point where it became a miraculous concession for us to even take in some unaccompanied children!).

This is standard fare for right wing politicians - engineer a problem through obstructionism and other routes, then blame the problem on other people and hope people buy in to it.
 
Tbh i think the whole thing could be to be swung one way or another by the Scots, the way the SNP are currently touting independence this independence that on the basis of this referendum. Might lead to some Scotish voters choosing leave to secure another independence referendum at some point rather than voting on the EU itself. SNP dominate Scotland to so it really is a risky message to use given they actually want to say with the EU.

But a new indiref would only make sense if Scotland votes overwhelmingly for remain, while england votes overwhelmingly for leave...
 
-Meddles in Middle-East for centuries and so is the one of the major reasons for current situation
-Takes less refuqees than many times smaller countries that had absolutely nothing to do with current situation
- Still moans and blames EU for this crisis and uses migrant crisis as one of the bullet points for leaving EU.

Oh Britain.

I'm disgusted with my country.

When I see our flag i just think of far right nationalism, racism, xenophobia, fact and science scepticism.

I've never felt so out of place in this country as this referendum has made me feel.
 
I think its more a picture of migration than picture of "scary brown people" its also seems to be 99% men in that train THAT does concern me.
Total refugee populations are about what you'd expect in terms of demography but around 60% of European refugees are men (according to Time). Most likely because it's a harder and too perilous for women and children.
 
May and Clark make sense, they wot talk common sense innit and might appeal to a different audience that Remain are struggling with.
 
Fuck I dont know weather or not to change all my money into euroes now or wait; I need the money for operations and if Enhland votes out then the pounds value will fall sharply.
 
May and Clark make sense, they wot talk common sense innit

Clarkson wasn't doing too bad with his op-ed.. Almost had me considering changing my vote from Leave to Remain:

Jezza said:
I’m the first to acknowledge that so far the EU hasn’t really worked. We still don’t have standardised electrical sockets, and every member state is still out for itself, not the common good. This is the sort of thing that causes many people to think, “Well, let’s just leave and look after ourselves in future.”

I get that. I really do. And after I’d watched Hannan’s speech, that’s briefly how I felt too. But, actually, isn’t it better to stay in and try to make the damn thing work properly?...

But then he had to just go ruin it:

Jezza said:
... To create a United States of Europe that functions as well as the United States of America? With one army and one currency and one unifying set of values?

NononononoNONONO.

No, kthxbye.
 
Clarkson wasn't doing too bad with his op-ed.. Almost had me considering changing my vote from Leave to Remain:



But then he had to just go ruin it:



NononononoNONONO.

No, kthxbye.

A good example of one of the problems with the Remain campaign, no one can agree about what they actually want the EU to look like. It's not like it's just people quibbling about marginal things either.
 
Clarkson wasn't doing too bad with his op-ed.. Almost had me considering changing my vote from Leave to Remain:



But then he had to just go ruin it:



NononononoNONONO.

No, kthxbye.
Heh... I'm actually on the same side as you, for the same reasons as him!

I don't get why the idea of a unified European state is so scary to some people, but I don't think the current incarnation of the EU can ever get there - so we should leave to precipitate its dissolution so it can be rebuilt better.

What do you have against the idea of a single Europe?
 
Heh... I'm actually on the same side as you, for the same reasons as him!

I don't get why the idea of a unified European state is so scary to some people, but I don't think the current incarnation of the EU can ever get there - so we should leave to precipitate its dissolution so it can be rebuilt better.

What do you have against the idea of a single Europe?
I don't think leaving is very productive if that is your aim.
 
A good example of one of the problems with the Remain campaign, no one can agree about what they actually want the EU to look like. It's not like it's just people quibbling about marginal things either.

Oh and all the leavers absolutely know what they want and agree right?


Fom the Guardian
Any workable application of a Brexit vote would end up looking like a partial reconstruction of EU membership. Then each segment of the coalition for leave would feel betrayed, one by one. The Tory libertarians would complain that not enough regulation had been scrapped; the hard left would find corporate capitalism still rampant; Ukip nativists would see no sudden restoration of ethnic homogeneity to the streets.






Heh... I'm actually on the same side as you, for the same reasons as him!

I don't get why the idea of a unified European state is so scary to some people, but I don't think the current incarnation of the EU can ever get there - so we should leave to precipitate its dissolution so it can be rebuilt better.

What do you have against the idea of a single Europe?

If you think we will get a better EU 2.0 in the next couple of decades or even centuries if EU 1.0 fails you might end up sorely mistaken...
 
Martin Lewis.

This fucking country :lol. "He told me how to save money on insurance, he knows what's up!"

That whole top 5 is hilarious.
 
Davey C reads Gaf confirmed?? He's making a two hour trip to Gibraltar later today...

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Martin Lewis.

This fucking country :lol. "He told me how to save money on insurance, he knows what's up!"

That whole top 5 is hilarious.

He told me how to get Meerkat Movies for a year by buying one day of travel insurance for less than two quid. I would trust him with my first born.
 
Martin Lewis.

This fucking country :lol. "He told me how to save money on insurance, he knows what's up!"

That whole top 5 is hilarious.

The guy genuinely is on a mission to do best for the public though. He is extremely passionate for people not getting tricked or lied to.

I can see it.
 
I don't think leaving is very productive if that is your aim.

Really? You think a vote of *confidence* in the EU from Britain is more likely to trigger other countries leaving?



If you think we will get a better EU 2.0 in the next couple of decades or even centuries if EU 1.0 fails you might end up sorely mistaken...

I'd take "Might get better" over "Definitely won't", but I recognise not everyone agrees.
 
Would love to know the age range of this poll its amazing lol

The fact that Cameron is level pegging with Farage and down there with Tony Blair and Major shows how tight this thing is.

He played cricket and couldn't eat 3 shredded wheat, not much to base trust on.
 
60:40ish Remain, 68-72% turnout I reckon. The people who voted for Cameron last year will likely vote Remain. Political views don't change that quickly, and people who say otherwise are just kidding themselves and will pussy out of voting Leave. Leave are being peddled by morons. Why wasn't Farage more popular last year? It;s gonna be a slam.
 
Really? You think a vote of *confidence* in the EU from Britain is more likely to trigger other countries leaving?
Everyone knows the EU is messed up in multiple ways. However, that is also because compromises have to be made because you are dealing with a ton of different countries, which are only comfortable giving up certain things to another government.

If the UK leaves, this will either strengthen the current anti-EU sentiment in the EU, or if the UK becomes a mess after, it will show that the EU isn't that bad after all, or at least that leaving is not that simple. Having such a vote and the scare for it has already shown the EU should do something I think to gather more support instead of ignoring the issues people have with it.

If the current EU fails, you are not going to see a comparable project for decades, if it ever happens. Certainly not in our lifetime. And that would be a shame. We're talking about a continent that has been fighting among itself for all of its history and was the center of two World Wars and divided among the Iron Curtain for half a century. It's a damn miracle we have 28 countries working together as they do now and actually achieve something together. Breaking that down on the hope that it might become better is totally irresponsible. Or maybe I'm understanding you wrong in your intent there.
 
So Liam Fox is going to Gibralter as well, and said the following:

He added: "Gibraltar's successful economy is based on tourism, shipping, financial services and online games. All would benefit from a free market without the supremacy of EU law and the regulations imposed by Brussels."

This is Is the sort of lying which really infuriates me. You cannot have a free market without regulations, oversight and a legal framework. We will not have access to the free market without those. For the leave campaign to constantly say that we will have them, and that Europe will happily make a deal on it, is as fraudulent as the SNP we about keeping the pound.

The U.K. leaving the EU will utterly fuck Gibraltar. That's simple fact. I wouldn't blame Gibraltar at all for then choosing to join Spain. Hell, I wish London could.
 
Martin Lewis.

This fucking country :lol. "He told me how to save money on insurance, he knows what's up!"

That whole top 5 is hilarious.

I didn't even know who the hell Martin Lewis was. I thought it was that ye olde news presenter from the 80's so I was kinda wondering why the hell he is so trusted. Did a google and discovered who he was.
 
So I noticed the letter section of my local newspaer seemed to largely vote leave include one rather strange example of someone bitter that they couldn't donate blood because they were too old. They were told that was because of the EU which was good enough for them to take at face value and vote leave.

Curious about this I decided to actually look at Commission Directive 2004/33/EC (which is about blood donors):
First time donors over 60 years — at the discretion of the physician in the
blood establishment
Over 65 years — with permission of the physician in the
blood establishment, given annually
In other words there is no upper limit on age for blood donors. It is just another example of how the electorate has been mislead and lied to or was pro leave but just waiting for an excuse and in this case a nurse who actually didn't know either way but *shrugs* "oh the EU, I suppose" was good enough.

If I have completely overlooked something in Commission Directive 2004/33/EC or any of its amendments I'd love to know. I also note it contradicts what the UK currently is which is 17-66 up to 70 if you donated before.

Similar to the "I don't like Africans and the EU gives them easy passage" opinion stated a few pages ago. Cheery pick facts to agree with your own prejudices.
 
So I noticed the letter section of my local newspaer seemed to largely vote leave include one rather strange example of someone bitter that they couldn't donate blood because they were too old. They were told that was because of the EU which was good enough for them to take at face value and vote leave.
Add it to the list I guess. It's amazing how much bullshit is written about EU regulations that are simply not true: http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
 
Remain MP Jo Cox has been stabbed and shot during her MP surgery up near Leeds today. What's the betting it's got something to do with the referendum?

I hope she's going to be alright, in any case. Bloody awful. :(
 
Also "According to the BBC, a primary school is in lockdown and a gunman may be on the loose near the shooting at Birstall."

Christ, I hope everyone is OK.
 
Remain MP Jo Cox has been stabbed and shot during her MP surgery up near Leeds today. What's the betting it's got something to do with the referendum?

I hope she's going to be alright, in any case. Bloody awful. :(

Jesus. I thought the boat battle was bad enough, but someone thought attempted murder was a good idea?

Hoping she pulls through.
 
Add it to the list I guess. It's amazing how much bullshit is written about EU regulations that are simply not true: http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/

In this campaign Boris claimed that EU regulations meant you couldn't buy bananas in bunches larger than three. The remain campaign instantly did exactly that and followed him around, but it sank without a trace because our press is so vehemently anti-Europe.

When you lie on that level there's literally nothing you won't say to win. Nothing.
 
On the one hand, as a Dutchman, I don't want the UK to leave the EU. Why not? Because I feel as if The Netherlands and the United Kingdom often agree on the same things. If the UK drops out of the EU, we'll just, basically, have one less ally in the European Parliament, European Commission, etc.

On the other hand, I want the UK to leave. I don't have a very good reason for that: I'm merely interested in what happens in such a scenario. Honestly, I don't think much will happen. You guys might see a temporary reduction in economic growth, but ultimately everybody wants to make money so you'll still have your trade deals with EU countries. At the same time, you guys will save, I believe, not sure, £14 billion/year so even a temporary reduction in economic growth won't be that big of a problem.

The effects of leaving the EU are unknown, but you guys definitely won't fall into anarchy.

I can imagine that it might be very difficult to decide whether to vote 'yes' or 'no'. At this point, if I would be asked to vote for this, I simply wouldn't know what to vote. To our British friends I want to say: best of luck. Whatever the result may be, I hope that the relations between our nations remain good. :)
 
Remain MP Jo Cox has been stabbed and shot during her MP surgery up near Leeds today. What's the betting it's got something to do with the referendum?

I hope she's going to be alright, in any case. Bloody awful. :(

Jesus Christ. A shooting? I hope they catch the gunman :-(

I actually don't think it will end up being related to the referendum, but will wait for more information to come out.
 
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