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Pokémon Sun & Moon | Info and speculation thread

I personally loved the massive dex of Gen VI. For once it felt there was actually a lot of varied in-game teams among players. Most generations everyone uses the same ~10 Pokemon the first time through.
 
Mr-Joker said:
After watching the Treehouse footage Sun and Moon is what I wanted X and Y to be and just build upon Gen 5.

I mean the trainer battle intro in gen 6 was a regression compare to gen 5 but Sun and Moon felt like a natural progression and just brought it into 3D.

I am actually getting hyped now and the new Pokémon just look amazing.
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Even the music's giving me Gen 5 vibes. I can't put my finger in it exactly, but the wild Pokemon and rival themes both evoke a similar sound to their Unova equivalents. I didn't hate X&Y's music, but Gen 5 is far and away the better OST so let's hope they can match it.
Honestly the parallels between Gen 5 and 7 go pretty deep. They're both the second time around on the same hardware, which seems like (from what we've seen so far of sun and moon at least) to light a fire under GF's ass in terms of quality.
 
Count me in on team #pokemondiversity. X/Y had the best distribution in any of the games, personally. I loved the hardmode mods for BlackWhite/BlackWhite2 that had all Pokemon catchable as well.
 
GoldStarz said:
No, from a battling and experience stand point it's better to focus on new Pokemon as well. If no one uses the new Pokemon, no one gets an impression of them. While I personally liked it, obviously Gen V's method isn't the best way to go, however saying there shouldn't be a focus on them or that you should put as many in as possible leads to shitty overcrowded populations like the one you see in X/Y
and don't tell me that the overpopulation didn't get a lot of flack, it totally did whether that opinion is well-repped on Gaf or not
. Also since when has having a focus on new Mons caused multiple, identical teams to form throughout? If you're talking about competitively, the current metagame is more than enough proof that that'll happen regardless.
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Don't misconstrue what I said, I never said that there shouldn't be a focus on new dex mons, all I said was putting in more old gen Pokemon would help with distribution. Obviously you don't need to go overboard and put in literally 700 Pokemon, but put in enough to provide more possible options for playthrough teambuilding. As for battles, why would I ever bring up competitive? That's a different beast entirely. My point is that prior to Black and White 2 introducing a much more varied regional dex: developers kept having trainer battles with 3 or more of literally the same Pokemon, it became a meme. You'd see fishermen with 6 Magikarps/Basculin/etc., or trainers with 3 Koffings and a Wheezing, and so on. It's usually as a result of having a smaller amount of Pokemon to work with as opposed to having an expanded dex.

GoldStarz said:
Finally, @ people uncomfortable w/ new mons: go scrounge. why are you even playing this series if you don't want new mons to mix things up?
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You act like there's only one way to play Pokemon.
 
MegaManTrigger said:
Don't misconstrue what I said, I never said that there shouldn't be a focus on new dex mons, all I said was putting in more old gen Pokemon would help with distribution. Obviously you don't need to go overboard and put in literally 700 Pokemon, but put in enough to provide more possible options for playthrough teambuilding. As for battles, why would I ever bring up competitive? That's a different beast entirely. My point is that prior to Black and White 2 introducing a much more varied regional dex: developers kept having trainer battles with 3 or more of literally the same Pokemon, it became a meme. You'd see fishermen with 6 Magikarps/Basculin/etc., or trainers with 3 Koffings and a Wheezing, and so on. It's usually as a result of having a smaller amount of Pokemon to work with as opposed to having an expanded dex.
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If that wasn't your point, you misconstrued it yourself. Pokemon already has the resources to create mix and matched team, often times they just flat out don't. You know that one Gen IV Pokemon that everyone always forgets, Lumineon? Yeah guess what Pokemon is found on literally one trainer and only if you use VS Seeker for a rematch in D/P. If teams get repeated, that's the fault of the devs not the lack of ability, you can get interesting combos with even just ~100 Pokes, 700 and you're obviously gonna have enough for combos but you'll smother the player in Pokemon. Devs need to keep it to ~300-400.

You act like there's only one way to play Pokemon.
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Opposite of my point actually. You let people like that stay in their comfort zone they're gonna start thinking there is only way to play. That's why I liked B/W so much, it forced you to use new Pokemon and play with Mons you didn't know. Letting people play only one way is what leads to people thinking a franchise is stagnant when it's not.
 
GoldStarz said:
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Opposite of my point actually. You let people like that stay in their comfort zone they're gonna start thinking there is only way to play. That's why I liked B/W so much, it forced you to use new Pokemon and play with Mons you didn't know. Letting people play only one way is what leads to people thinking a franchise is stagnant when it's not.
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You act as if for every previous generation not counting the first, that people just absolutely did not use the new Pokemon which sounds almost impossible. I've never heard of a generation where people just completely never tried any of the new Pokemon. People will try them on their own time, whether if they make all Gen __ teams or mixed teams. I think the absolute worst thing to do is do what Black and White had done because personally, I did not like many of those mons and had nothing to fall back on when team building instad making a team of Pokemon that I didn't particularly care for and pretty much ruined my enjoyment of the game and made Gen V mostly a black spot among other things those games had.

The good thing about diverse pokedex's seen in BW2, DPP, and maybe RSE is that there are those old Pokemon around so you can fall back on something that's familar that you may not have gotten to use in previous games or an old favorite to place in case you don't care for that generation's Pokemon.
 
My take is that people who like how it was handled in XY just got a generation, so I wish people who liked how it was in BW got another turn. Just repeating how it was in XY again is gonna be boring for me, so I hope they dial it back a bit.

I like that Ledyba was used at least, cause that hasn't been an early game mon in a while, but my eyes glossed over when I saw Caterpie again.
 
brinstar said:
My take is that people who like how it was handled in XY just got a generation, so I wish people who liked how it was in BW got another turn. Just repeating how it was in XY again is gonna be boring for me, so I hope they dial it back a bit.

I like that Ledyba was used at least, cause that hasn't been an early game mon in a while, but my eyes glossed over when I saw Caterpie again.
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Or you could just balance it better.....

No need to "take turns" Introduce a healthy amount of new mons and keep a smaller but not overwhelmingly so, amount of older pokemon.
 
GoldStarz said:
If that wasn't your point, you misconstrued it yourself. Pokemon already has the resources to create mix and matched team, often times they just flat out don't. You know that one Gen IV Pokemon that everyone always forgets, Lumineon? Yeah guess what Pokemon is found on literally one trainer and only if you use VS Seeker for a rematch in D/P. If teams get repeated, that's the fault of the devs not the lack of ability, you can get interesting combos with even just ~100 Pokes, 700 and you're obviously gonna have enough for combos but you'll smother the player in Pokemon. Devs need to keep it to ~300-400.
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I didn't misconstrue anything, you literally put words into my post instead of reading what I wrote closely. I never made any mention to focusing only on old Pokemon, so it's clear that I'm not at fault. Limiting the amount to only new Pokemon is going to cause an issue. That number shrinks very fast when you eliminate unobtainable Pokemon, starters (as it's incredibly rare to see in battle), as well as distributing certain evolutionary lines and Pokemon with medium/high in battles as appropriate for the level that the player is expected to be in. In addition, you'd also have to think about Gym Battles and how that number of Pokemon a Leader uses scales from gym to gym. And lastly, that extends to the Elite 4 and Champion. Suddenly that 100-or-so Pokemon doesn't seem like a lot. Speaking of that, there's a reason why Flint was a clusterfuck in Diamond and Pearl when he had only 2 Fire Pokemon in a game where there were 2 Fire Pokemon available (fixed in Platinum).

GoldStarz said:
Opposite of my point actually. You let people like that stay in their comfort zone they're gonna start thinking there is only way to play. That's why I liked B/W so much, it forced you to use new Pokemon and play with Mons you didn't know. Letting people play only one way is what leads to people thinking a franchise is stagnant when it's not.
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Can't see how that's an opposite point when you said "go scrounge. Why are you even playing this series if you don't want new mons to mix things up?" You flatout said that people shouldn't play Pokemon if they don't want to use new Pokemon. Likewise, this is a hypocritical statement, you're saying giving the option to use older Pokemon is being too comfortable and playing one way, and yet you're a fan of forcing people to use new Pokemon, which in of itself is forcing people to play one way. That being said, you do realize the region dex would include at least 400-500 Pokemon? You'd be insane to think people will only use older Pokemon without experimenting and trying something new. Of course, people will always have their favourites, but that should never be a reason to force people to play the game one way.

Moreover, the stagnant comment makes no sense. You're implying that people who say the games are stagnant are going to focus only on the Pokemon Dex content, instead of other salient features like gameplay and story (For instance, the same ol' Team story formula). In fact, there are people who have complained that the series has been stagnant since the 3rd generation. So what was the point in bringing up stagnation?
 
Cindro said:
Is there still supposed to be a sun/moon direct tomorrow (June 16th), or was that just a rumor?
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Not a Direct.

For Japan, on the NicoNico platform, there will be a E3 2016 Pokémon Special. This special is pegged as basically being a recap of the last two days.

However, that doesn't mean we won't get reveals. We still need the official non-CoroCoro showing of Iwanko and Nekkoala and I wouldn't be surprised if we get that there, followed by an English trailer.

Wouldn't be the first time we got a reveal in a Japan specific event.
 
Boss Doggie said:
I still don't understand why we don't have info on dog and koala
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It is quite unusual. This is the first time that a CoroCoro reveal has not been posted on the official site on the day of launch.

We've had reveals that took a few months to get to CoroCoro like Clauncher, Mega Kangaskhan etc., but never the other way
 
Darth_Caedus said:
This is why I want Synchro:
http://youtu.be/HqPz2DDImvo

It could be stronger than Mega, and activates at around half the Pokemons HP gone and if they faint you lose. Could be a cool last ditch effort thing.
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could be a fun new mechanic and maybe even a mega counter

Chunky said:
Even the music's giving me Gen 5 vibes. I can't put my finger in it exactly, but the wild Pokemon and rival themes both evoke a similar sound to their Unova equivalents. I didn't hate X&Y's music, but Gen 5 is far and away the better OST so let's hope they can match it.
Honestly the parallels between Gen 5 and 7 go pretty deep. They're both the second time around on the same hardware, which seems like (from what we've seen so far of sun and moon at least) to light a fire under GF's ass in terms of quality.
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lmao
 
Well, there's still another hope

June 26th-27th is World Hobby Fair in Japan and Pokemon is gonna be in it. Aside from the usual (movie teaser, Pokenchi, that web show starring the guy from Kamen Rider OOO), Masuda will be in it playing SM.

If they still haven't shown doge and koola then GF really forgot about them.
 
GoldStarz said:
and don't tell me that the overpopulation didn't get a lot of flack, it totally did whether that opinion is well-repped on Gaf or not.
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Where? That's insane. Far and away the best part about X/Y to me was being able to use EXP share to train entire teams worth of my all-time favorite Pokemon without having to grind. Gone were the days of playing the EXP balancing act and farming Lucky Eggs/Audinos/Breeders so that I could have more than 6 Pokemon ready to go at any given point in time, and I got to see some of my favorite Pokemon in 3D which made me appreciate some designs I hadn't always liked (like Breloom).
I've seen complaints about the lower number of new Pokemon in X/Y but none regarding other Pokemon showing up in droves throughout the game. As far as I'm concerned, as long as DexNav stays, populated routes are absolutely the way to go moving forward.

and as far as 'people having 3+ of the same Pokemon', I'm pretty sure he's talking about the breeders and fishermen that'd crop up in past games whose rosters were like Magikarp Magikarp Magikarp Magikarp Magikarp
 
The Silver said:
did Ash almost beat the champion's strongest pokemon? Why did she keep spamming shadow ball, Diantha fucking sucks.
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Diantha in anime is pretty OP, Ash-Greninja is just better

also I'd argue in the anime Diantha is the second-best champion to appear next to Cynthia, the others are just lazy fucks appearing for an episode or two being all mysterious or ominous or doing shit, both Diantha and Cynthia did a lot more (even Diantha had a private chopper to stalk around Ash like Cynthia stalking Dawn!)

and I commend them for giving Diantha character; not only was she a champion, she had a nice dorky life too like pretending to be a normal person to avoid being swarmed by people, has a fetish for sweets, and even has a tendency to be a klutz
 
Huge Succeeded said:
and as far as 'people having 3+ of the same Pokemon', I'm pretty sure he's talking about the breeders and fishermen that'd crop up in past games whose rosters were like Magikarp Magikarp Magikarp Magikarp Magikarp
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There's a Magikarp fisherman in every game, regardless of the roster size. It's a running joke at this point. lol
 
The Broken Ska Record said:
Damn. This clip made me want to start watching the Pokémon anime again.
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avoid dubs

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Boss Doggie said:
just look for pocket monsters subs

dub not only has bad voice acting (even Pokemon - yeah Japanese pokemon voice acting is actually a bit more different), but they remove the background music that adds to the show
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Yeah, I believe it. When I was younger I remember watching a sub of the first Pokémon movie and almost crying because of the Mew/MewTwo fight. When I saw the dub I remember hating it because they completely changed the music.
 
I wonder if the fact you can quickly see Type match-ups has to do with them wanting to introduce more attacks like Flying Press and Freeze-Dry which mess with the usual match-ups.

Also makes it easy for players to get Inverse Battles as well, if they return.
 
Watch Da Birdie said:
I wonder if the fact you can quickly see Type match-ups has to do with them wanting to introduce more attacks like Flying Press and Freeze-Dry which mess with the usual match-ups.

Also makes it easy for players to get Inverse Battles as well, if they return.
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Also lets them have crazier type combinations. I had a friend who played X/Y after not playing a game in the series since the original and she couldn't get past Grant's Tyrunt at first because she couldn't figure out what it was weak against.
 
So now that old Pokemon are confirmed to be appearing during the main quest which lines are you guys hoping appear early on that you haven't been able to use before?
 
brinstar said:
So now that old Pokemon are confirmed to be appearing during the main quest which lines are you guys hoping appear early on that you haven't been able to use before?
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Unless we have very little new Pokemon, I'm gonna use all new Pokemon, but it'd be nice to see underutilized Pokemon getting their due by being put in.
 
brinstar said:
So now that old Pokemon are confirmed to be appearing during the main quest which lines are you guys hoping appear early on that you haven't been able to use before?
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I'd like to see baby Pokemon appearing in the wild nice and early. They've been doing much better with this in the last several games, especially Black 2 & White 2 which had Elekid/Magby very early on, but there's plenty of others that haven't been easily obtainable to use in a normal playthrough, like Tyrogue, Pichu, Mantyke, Munchlax, Igglybuff & Cleffa. I'd actually add Smoochum & Mime Jr. to that list too, because while they were found in Glittering Cave in X&Y, they were low-leveled in hordes making them pretty unappealing to use.

Clamperl is another pretty good pick. Can't imagine many people have used it before as it was hard to even know how to evolve it in the original R&S and hasn't appeared much since. Maybe have them sitting on a beach and interactable? I like the idea of having more interactable Pokemon in general. Maybe have some Corphish, Krabby and Shellder on the beach as well? So many Water-types have been locked away behind a Fishing Rod.

Next up, Natu! You could only catch Xatu in X&Y&OR/AS, and only in the Friend Safari, Safari Zone and Mirage Island. It's a cool typing and a fitting Pokemon to find early on.

Hmm, what else? Gligar, Sneasel, Phanpy, Duskull, Shuppet, Spheal, Hippopotas & Snorunt have never been found early iirc. I'd also say Larvitar! I know it's a pseudo, but XY was the only time it's been able to be caught before beating the Elite 4, and it was in Terminus Cave, so still way too late to really use. Dratini has been relatively early before. Bagon appeared pretty early in XY, and Beldum was literally given away as a gift Pokemon in ORAS, so I don't think it being a pseudo should be an issue. If you could find it around the 4th gym, you wouldn't be evolving it into a Tyranitar until the league, anyway.
 
GoldStarz said:
Unless we have very little new Pokemon, I'm gonna use all new Pokemon, but it'd be nice to see underutilized Pokemon getting their due by being put in.
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Same here, but unless the game ends up being total garbage I'll probably be doing multiple playthroughs, so I'll end up mixing and matching eventually.

Macka said:
I'd like to see baby Pokemon appearing in the wild nice and early. They've been doing much better with this in the last several games, especially Black 2 & White 2 which had Elekid/Magby very early on, but there's plenty of others that haven't been easily obtainable to use in a normal playthrough, like Tyrogue, Pichu, Mantyke, Munchlax, Igglybuff & Cleffa. I'd actually add Smoochum & Mime Jr. to that list too, because while they were found in Glittering Cave in X&Y, they were low-leveled in hordes making them pretty unappealing to use.

Clamperl is another pretty good pick. Can't imagine many people have used it before as it was hard to even know how to evolve it in the original R&S and hasn't appeared much since. Maybe have them sitting on a beach and interactable? I like the idea of having more interactable Pokemon in general. Maybe have some Corphish, Krabby and Shellder on the beach as well? So many Water-types have been locked away behind a Fishing Rod.

Next up, Natu! You could only catch Xatu in X&Y&OR/AS, and only in the Friend Safari, Safari Zone and Mirage Island. It's a cool typing and a fitting Pokemon to find early on.

Hmm, what else? Gligar, Sneasel, Phanpy, Duskull, Shuppet, Spheal, Hippopotas & Snorunt have never been found early iirc. I'd also say Larvitar! I know it's a pseudo, but XY was the only time it's been able to be caught before beating the Elite 4, and it was in Terminus Cave, so still way too late to really use. Dratini has been relatively early before. Bagon appeared pretty early in XY, and Beldum was literally given away as a gift Pokemon in ORAS, so I don't think it being a pseudo should be an issue. If you could find it around the 4th gym, you wouldn't be evolving it into a Tyranitar until the league, anyway.
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Tyrogue is a great pick, I don't think the Hitmons have even been ingame since Gen 2. (And even then I think Tyrogue's egg was still towards the end)

Speaking of Sneasel and Snorunt I was talking to a friend about this but I really hope the designated ice area in this game isn't all the way towards the end this time. There's a lot of ice Pokemon I like, but I hate how you never start encountering them until your team is likely situated.
 
Here's a cool little theory regarding the possibility of a return to Kalos in these games (or a hidden area of Alola): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCJCfC6gmI

Basically, it looks at this shot of the Magearna battle we got at E3:
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Given that they've been putting more effort into the battle backgrounds, it has to take place in an area with lots of flowers... but this area seemingly doesn't exist on the Alola map. Toby argues that the area is instead the Pokemon Village found in Kalos. More arguments in the short video above.
 
MajorMane said:
Here's a cool little theory regarding the possibility of a return to Kalos in these games (or a hidden area of Alola): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCJCfC6gmI

Basically, it looks at this shot of the Magearna battle we got at E3:
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Given that they've been putting more effort into the battle backgrounds, it has to take place in an area with lots of flowers... but this area seemingly doesn't exist on the Alola map. Toby argues that the area is instead the Pokemon Village found in Kalos. More arguments in the short video above.
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Yeah, no. We aren't returning to Kalos. We will never ever again get a game with multiple regions. Game Freak is not going to redo an entire region for the new model sizes of gen 7.
 
If Ash can face off against the Champion's strongest Pokemon how the hell are they gonna justify him choking in the league again?

Is Arceus himself gonna come down to stop Ash?
 
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