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Pokémon Sun & Moon | Info and speculation thread

Man I really dig the battling interface. The fact you can get to just the PokeBalls with the Y button (that is going to change my life...), you can easily check move info on the screen, the game tells you what moves are effective and which aren't... And the way they show the moves on the screen in relation to everything else. It's so sleek and thoughtout. Gives me hope for the rest of the game design.

I'm sure some people think showing which moves are effective/ineffective is too much handholding, but if Game Freak chooses to do things like that instead of the more obtrusive stuff I can give it a pass. Also, I've played Pokemon since Gen 1...and even I sometimes forget what moves work best with Pokemon I don't fight against as often. I don't see the harm in it.

Kind of hate that Hau picks a Pokemon weaker than yours. Surely someone else has to pick a Pokemon strong against you. I don't mind rivals being nice (though we've gotten nice rivals for how many gens now? I would like a dick rival again just because we haven't had that in so long) but having a weaker 'mon than me? Come on now.
 
Delio said:
So would that double max happiness Return damage? Or something like Hyper Fang? If this thing has even a decent to great attack and speed he will be scary lol.
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bizzarewars said:
That's a hella good ability, tho. I get the feeling that after Diggersby and Talonflame people shouldn't sleep on early game Pokemon any more.
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I'm just speculating. Not sure about how the ability will actually end up.

Azuran said:
That sounds way too good. It will probably only work on an opposing Pokemon in the same turn he switches in.
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Sigismundo said:
I'm under the impression Stakeout only works against Pokémon that either switch in on that turn via the menu or via U-Turn/Volt Switch.
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That would be kind of bad honestly. Are you really going to force a switch with a normal type?

Diggersby had Huge Power. It wouldn't be too crazy for Yungoos to have a somewhat low attack stat so it wouldn't be too overpowered.

Personally I'm hoping for it to work how I speculate because I'd like every Pokémon to be competitive.

GoldStarz said:
They need to downgrade EXP Share severely though. That thing caused Pokemon to be so overleveled.
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EXP share is amazing for leveling bred Pokémon in post game though.
 
Im finally getting down to watching this gameplay. Ohmori and Masuda kept saying the region is "teeming with life". This is also a 20th anniversary game.

I think the wildmon diversity is gonna be spectacular and I thought X&Y stepped it up.

Edit: Omggg the UI is soo good!
 
girlfriendofagamer said:
Im finally getting down to watching this gameplay. Ohmori and Masuda kept saying the region is "teeming with life". This is also a 20th anniversary game.

I think the wildmon diversity is gonna be spectacular and I thought X&Y stepped it up.

Edit: Omggg the UI is soo good!
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I'd love it to be like XY again where there's just a massive number of Pokemon in each area
 
Busaiku said:
I hate switching Pokémon though.
EXP Share was a godsend.
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Just always seemed terrible design to me to be able to keep a full team of Pokemon completely current without ever using them for even a second. I preferred the gen 2-4(5?) iteration where it was an item you attached to one pokemon, at least that had some kind of limitation. But in the end I think you should have to in some way use a Pokemon to level it up.

I do agree though please Exp Share at least post game, no desire to breed or do any post game stuff without it.
 
Busaiku said:
I hate switching Pokémon though.
EXP Share was a godsend.
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I also find it a godsend, but more since it allowed me to have a squad 24 equally leveld Pokémon in AS. So I kind of love switching Pokémon.

BodiesWithoutOrgans said:
Yungoos I love it he is cute but can't decide if it was ruined for me because he looks likes trump lol

We need to make Alola great again
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Looking like Trump isn't something I considered a problem after thinking about the nickname possibilities

Trumpet, Maga/MAGA, Toupée and maybe even Donald comes to mind.
 
Tomita said:
I'm sure some people think showing which moves are effective/ineffective is too much handholding, but if Game Freak chooses to do things like that instead of the more obtrusive stuff I can give it a pass. Also, I've played Pokemon since Gen 1...and even I sometimes forget what moves work best with Pokemon I don't fight against as often. I don't see the harm in it.
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Yeah I don't get the complaint about that as there's 18 types meaning you will have to keep track of their weakness, resistance, immunity and what they are strong against and that isn't factoring that some Pokémon are duel type.

Heck I have been playing Pokémon since 99 and I get Bug, Poison and fighting muddled up as I keep forgetting which one resist each other and which one only resist one.

Tomita said:
Kind of hate that Hau picks a Pokemon weaker than yours. Surely someone else has to pick a Pokemon strong against you. I don't mind rivals being nice (though we've gotten nice rivals for how many gens now? I would like a dick rival again just because we haven't had that in so long) but having a weaker 'mon than me? Come on now.
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Yeah Barry was the last rival that would grow along side you and would battle you with a full team, the rival after him would only have 4-5 Pokémon.

I suspect that there will be a rival who will pick the starter strong against yours and might actually be a jerk to counteract Hau, who is super friendly

JoeM86 said:
I don't think it'll be much higher than XY. I don't think they want to hit the 1000 mark so soon
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Agreed when I found out that gen 6 only had 72 new Pokémon and only one eeveelution I was suspicion and thought that the rest where hiding in a new region.

But I wrote it off as I thought Game Freak wouldn't add new Pokémon in a middle of a generation.
 
Dandy Crocodile said:
*chants* Lillie, Lillie, Lillie

I get a Bianca and Cheren feel from them.
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Speaking of Lillie in the stream her bag started shaking, which made me think of that she's from Kalos and has Zygarde Core in her bag theory that someone on gaf posted.

SomedayTheFire said:
isn't Heracross a Rhino beetle? I'd hate for the new beetle to pale in comparison to the GOAT
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Heracross is a Japanese rhinoceros beetle so Grubbin could end up being different in design and still shine.
 
Mr-Joker said:
Speaking of Lillie in the stream her bag started shaking, which made me think of that she's from Kalos and has Zygarde Core in her bag theory that someone on gaf posted.
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The treehouse people said something strange about the bag, but I didn't catch what they were really talking about. But it was one of those, "Uhhh, we can't really talk about that here" moments.
 
So did we talk about the fact that Yungoos basically confirms an Asian region? It says it's native to another region but we know for sure we've never seen Yungoos in any of the regions we've visited. And as someone pointed out earlier in the thread, the real life mongoose that was introduced to Hawaii to deal with rats in sugarcane fields was the Small Asian mongoose. I know it could just be Pokemon trying to make a real life parallel, but a part of me knows they'd never mention another region without good cause. Even in XY we already had super obvious signs that Alola was coming. What do you guys think?
 
Probably not, Corphish was also said to be introduced from another Region (referencing how crayfish are an invasive species) when it debuted in Hoenn.
 
Watch Da Birdie said:
Probably not, Corphish was also said to be introduced from another Region (referencing how crayfish are an invasive species) when it debuted in Hoenn.
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Damn. So they are just cheeky bastards. WHERE ARE THESE SECRET REGIONS!?!?!?! What if all this time we've just been playing in super small portions of land and there gigantic supercontinents in Pokemon where all these Pokemon are originally from.
 
Watch Da Birdie said:
Probably not, Corphish was also said to be introduced from another Region (referencing how crayfish are an invasive species) when it debuted in Hoenn.
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Can Corphish be found in the wild in any other region? If so, that is the region it is native to.

Basically if Yungoos is found in the wild on gen 8, that could be the region it was taken from.

As far as I see it, it's just a small way of saying gen 8 will happen. Which everyone expects anyway.
 
#freemorimoto

morimoto are you ok

Tomita said:
Man I really dig the battling interface. The fact you can get to just the PokeBalls with the Y button (that is going to change my life...), you can easily check move info on the screen, the game tells you what moves are effective and which aren't... And the way they show the moves on the screen in relation to everything else. It's so sleek and thoughtout. Gives me hope for the rest of the game design.

I'm sure some people think showing which moves are effective/ineffective is too much handholding, but if Game Freak chooses to do things like that instead of the more obtrusive stuff I can give it a pass. Also, I've played Pokemon since Gen 1...and even I sometimes forget what moves work best with Pokemon I don't fight against as often. I don't see the harm in it.

Kind of hate that Hau picks a Pokemon weaker than yours. Surely someone else has to pick a Pokemon strong against you. I don't mind rivals being nice (though we've gotten nice rivals for how many gens now? I would like a dick rival again just because we haven't had that in so long) but having a weaker 'mon than me? Come on now.
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same love how the moves are all accessible by your right thumb looks like touch smart UI is back from HGSS in some form. we still have to see what the bottom screen will actually be like in game.

And yeah, same. Been playing since blue version and still dont remember some type matchups and when it gets into dual typing its straight up not intuitive
 
I don't think that was their intent thought when designing Corphish, just that they wanted to mimic the real-life red swamp crayfish of SE U.S. who became an invasive species around the world---Yungoos is the same deal, a way to reference the circumstances of the real creature. I don't think where it was imported is actually important, just that it was imported.
 
I remember Togepi was a mysterious rare pokemon and then he was in the postgame in gen 4! and now we know starters come from friend safaris. this is all very canon.


that thirst i had as a kid to be able to catch charmander near a volcano or fish up a super rare squirtle has yet to be quenched
 
Kinokou said:
Looking like Trump isn't something I considered a problem after thinking about the nickname possibilities

Trumpet, Maga/MAGA, Toupée and maybe even Donald comes to mind.
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Nicknames make things special. One of my fond Gen VI moments was getting a Bunnelby nicknamed Bugs (as in Bugs bunny) and once it evolved I laughed and just thought "man, Bugs you sure let yourself go" and I wouldn't have felt the impact of that evolution without the nickname.
 
No one seems to be discussing Popplio's stats.

It has high SAtk than Atk.

Starwolf_UK said:
Nicknames make things special. One of my fond Gen VI moments was getting a Bunnelby nicknamed Bugs (as in Bugs bunny) and once it evolved I laughed and just thought "man, Bugs you sure let yourself go" and I wouldn't have felt the impact of that evolution without the nickname.
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Shiny Bun/Dig is bugs in color even
 
This is the 1st Pokemon game where I'm actually tending towards skipping it. Very disappointing so far and nothing that would interest me. Waiting for a full Pokedex reveal this time arround. EU gets fucked anyways with that release date.

Also, since when are magazine scans okay? They are directly in the OT post.
 
Watch Da Birdie said:
I don't think that was their intent thought when designing Corphish, just that they wanted to mimic the real-life red swamp crayfish of SE U.S. who became an invasive species around the world---Yungoos is the same deal, a way to reference the circumstances of the real creature. I don't think where it was imported is actually important, just that it was imported.
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You're probably right, but it's cool how anyone can interpret it their way and it still makes sense.
 
Akai__ said:
This is the 1st Pokemon game where I'm actually tending towards skipping it. Very disappointing so far and nothing that would interest me. Waiting for a full Pokedex reveal this time arround. EU gets fucked anyways with that release date.

Also, since when are magazine scans okay? They are directly in the OT post.
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You mean something never has happened, is not happening, and will not happen?

Also, you can blame the delayed release date for the EU on the people who broke release date and caused info to leak out beforehand. Seems likely to be the reason for the delay given that's where they started.
 
sixteen-bit said:
have they announced a Sun & Moon LE N3DSXL for North America?
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They did just show off this model, but it's only be confirmed for Japan so far.

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Schadenfreude said:
Damn. So they are just cheeky bastards. WHERE ARE THESE SECRET REGIONS!?!?!?! What if all this time we've just been playing in super small portions of land and there gigantic supercontinents in Pokemon where all these Pokemon are originally from.
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The Pokémon world regions are generally pretty equivalent to the real world locations they're based on. Most of the areas are actually pretty small. It's a pretty safe assumption that the rest of the world exists in some form.
 
GoldStarz said:
You mean something never has happened, is not happening, and will not happen?

Also, you can blame the delayed release date for the EU on the people who broke release date and caused info to leak out beforehand. Seems likely to be the reason for the delay given that's where they started.
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A full Pokedex is happening for me, since I won't buy the game on launch and by the time it's released in EU there will probably be a full one.

And yes, lets fucking blame all the fans, because some idiots broke the street day. Very awesome.
 
Literally all I require for this game to be enjoyable is 100+ new Pokemon.

I have a living dex. Diversity of wild Pokemon literally does nothing for me.

It's great for people who haven't completed their dex yet, but why not go the BW route and make the density of old mons appear after the E4? It's a quick and dirty way to strengthen the post game (though it's not a substitution for more substantial post game content), and it makes the region have more distinct personality (imo, of course).

I'm just saying, one of my favorite things about BW was how it evoked the aspect of Pokemon where you get dropped into a world with little knowledge of the Pokemon there and then you learn the region. Like, Chargestone Cave is pretty iconic I think. It has its staple Pokemon, and none of them are old. I don't know why that improves the experience for me, but it does.

I'd even be down with a BW2 approach honestly. Just please, please make the focus on NEW wild Pokemon at least until post E4. It makes the experience a little more fresh to me.
 
GiantBreadbug said:
Literally all I require for this game to be enjoyable is 100+ new Pokemon.

I have a living dex. Diversity of wild Pokemon literally does nothing for me.

It's great for people who haven't completed their dex yet, but why not go the BW route and make the density of old mons appear after the E4? It's a quick and dirty way to strengthen the post game (though it's not a substitution for more substantial post game content), and it makes the region have more distinct personality (imo, of course).

I'm just saying, one of my favorite things about BW was how it evoked the aspect of Pokemon where you get dropped into a world with little knowledge of the Pokemon there and then you learn the region. Like, Chargestone Cave is pretty iconic I think. It has its staple Pokemon, and none of them are old. I don't know why that improves the experience for me, but it does.

I'd even be down with a BW2 approach honestly. Just please, please make the focus on NEW wild Pokemon at least until post E4. It makes the experience a little more fresh to me.
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Because you're focusing only from a dex/catching standpoint. There are strengths to allowing multiple gen Pokemon in the wild. For one, it helps with distribution, which helps provide options that you wouldn't get if the game was strictly new gen Pokemon. Not everyone is comfortable with using only new Pokemon (as Gen V and III showed when they were relevant). Moreover, more gen Pokemon means battles won't be a mash-A fest with someone who uses 3-6 of the same Pokemon. There's going to 720+ Pokemon in the dex, you might as well use as many as possible, instead of limiting yourself to 100+.
 
As much as I loved it, I think we can probably conclude that feedback for the focus on the new Pokémon in Black and White wasn't all that positive by this point.
 
Exterminieren said:
As much as I loved it, I think we can probably conclude that feedback for the focus on the new Pokémon in Black and White wasn't all that positive by this point.
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It might not even just be a feedback thing. Making full new models for each new Pokemon is certainly a lot more work than just sprites. It might just be too hard and expensive to design as many Pokemon, because GF uses some very highly detailed models.
 
Akai__ said:
A full Pokedex is happening for me, since I won't buy the game on launch and by the time it's released in EU there will probably be a full one.

And yes, lets fucking blame all the fans, because some idiots broke the street day. Very awesome.
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When did I say all the fans did it, don't hate GameFreak for trying to make sure the game isn't spoiled by rulebreakers. If you want to blame someone blame the people who broke the street date or the idiots who posted it online. Besides, if you aren't planning to buy on launch anyway, why are you so gung ho about this?
 
About the whole showing which moves are not/super effective thing, they said it only appears after you have battled that pokemon before, which makes sense and doesn't really make the game easier unless you just happen to forget about the pokemon's type
 
MegaManTrigger said:
Because you're focusing only from a dex/catching standpoint. There are strengths to allowing multiple gen Pokemon in the wild. For one, it helps with distribution, which helps provide options that you wouldn't get if the game was strictly new gen Pokemon. Not everyone is comfortable with using only new Pokemon (as Gen V and III showed when they were relevant). Moreover, more gen Pokemon means battles won't be a mash-A fest with someone who uses 3-6 of the same Pokemon. There's going to 720+ Pokemon in the dex, you might as well use as many as possible, instead of limiting yourself to 100+.
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No, from a battling and experience stand point it's better to focus on new Pokemon as well. If no one uses the new Pokemon, no one gets an impression of them. While I personally liked it, obviously Gen V's method isn't the best way to go, however saying there shouldn't be a focus on them or that you should put as many in as possible leads to shitty overcrowded populations like the one you see in X/Y
and don't tell me that the overpopulation didn't get a lot of flack, it totally did whether that opinion is well-repped on Gaf or not
. Also since when has having a focus on new Mons caused multiple, identical teams to form throughout? If you're talking about competitively, the current metagame is more than enough proof that that'll happen regardless.

Finally, @ people uncomfortable w/ new mons: go scrounge. why are you even playing this series if you don't want new mons to mix things up?
 
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