Only 3% of games shown at E3 keynotes featured exclusively female protagonists
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SolidSnakex
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Oh, I don't expect it to tank either. I'm just saying there could be a lot riding on it with how other AAA female led games seem to be performing. It has everything going for it right now. Sony's behind it in a big way so marketing won't be an issue and it's in a hugely popular genre so it's not niche in that way. And it's also on the most popular console of this generation. It just has to end up being as good as it seems to be as everyone that plays it seems to have high praise for it.
This is an old article form Gamasutra talking about how Activision will look at sales of female led games to show that there's not a big enough market for them
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/120558/InDepth_No_Female_Heroes_At_Activision.php
The article in general is about how True Crime: Hong Kong was initially supposed to star a woman but Activision killed that idea and told them to replace her with a guy. So i'd expect companies like Activision to be watching Horizon rather closely.
Tal Shiar Agent
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You're free not to visit the parts of the Internet that "exhaust" you.
Riposte
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I think there's a case of myopia where one may fail to see that. Almost every single time "lazy" is used in context with game development it just means "not doing enough of what I want", with the plus side of never having to justify why your desires should be their priority. It turns out calling things lazy is pretty lazy in itself.
That's, uh... kinda the point of the feminist movement.
Women want to be represented in video game storytelling. Crazy I know.
Your use of quotations is truly masterful too.
Damn it was sarcasm wasnt it.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Why are you saying that statement like your words are a "bad thing?"
Anyway,
Most industry folks I know are writing Horizon off as a big seller, and I'm happy to see the core embrace it. Hopefully it surpasses their expectations.
The Lone Courier
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They shouldn't be discrediting games that allow you to choose gender, if anything that seems like the optimal solution unless the game narrative heavily really on the characters gender.
I wonder how many of them had Hispanic protagonists.
Probably none, since we no one gives a shit about us.
I'm all for this but in the end, games are a business. We need more women in gaming to really change things. Not everyone can pull an Obsidian and give us Kreia.
It's like the whole gluten intolerant trend. It's just awesome to cry outrage about political correctness for non existent issues.
I'm going to tell you guys a secret. Women do not care about women in games. They do not care at all.
52% for females is not impressive when there's 90% for males.
The Lone Courier
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Only 1, Battlefield Hardline. But your right I would love to see more representation in games.
statham
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lots of girl gamers who may want to relate to the main character. It shouldn't be hard to have a main male or female character. this shouldn't be as hard as some makes it sound. Sunset Overdrive, or Saints Row did it very well.
Aarglefarg
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What's the breakdown for AAA video game titles though? I doubt it's 50% women who plays these types of games. I could be wrong though.
What's the breakdown of NeoGaf members? Like 80% male?
9% seems pretty crazy low to me last year. Where was the outrage then?
No time to read, I've got to be angry at people discussing an issue I don't empathize with!
Taa-daa.
Well shoot. Nice find!
Scientist Supreme!
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The fear that post like this have is fascinating.
How fragile does one's life have to be frightened by these criticisms?
Diferentigual
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This type of thread is ruining gaming. I've also posted several times in support of my opinion. Please read them before making irrational posts. Posting in aggressive fashion jut because I disagree makes you look like a dummy, Pushing for more women in gaming when we've seen so much progress in this area is the reason nobody takes these types of movements seriously.
Brushguy Woodthreep
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The progress happened because of people pushing. It didn't happen by magic.
As these stats show, there's still room for more progress, so people will continue to push in the hope of achieving that.
Also, the industry as a whole seems to be taking this movement quite seriously, hence the progress.
Hellwarden
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There should definitely be more games starring female characters. (I think it would be great to have some female African American leads.)
That being said, I think games in which you can choose either are the best option.
That being said, I think games in which you can choose either are the best option.
Because it's an illegitimate criticism. Where are the women demanding justice be done here??
Gotdatmoney
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There were people criticizing this last E3. I remember the thread. But evem if there were not, are you only allowed to criticism of things immediately when they occur. Are you now allowed to say anything because "of shit this happened before and I didnt know"?
The whole "why now" style of argumentation is tge laziest shit. Who cares? People giving attention to an issue today is better than never.
chillybright
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Agree that this is such a non issue.
If gamers (regardless of gender) are buying more games with female protagonist, developers will make more of them. No one except the market can force out more of certain type of products.
If gamers (regardless of gender) are buying more games with female protagonist, developers will make more of them. No one except the market can force out more of certain type of products.
Diferentigual
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White knights everywhere!
weemadarthur
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Diferentigual
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A small number compared to all gamers, though. Again, the vocal minority
And, I mean, why does it need to be only women? I'm a man and I also want more diversity in videogames.
RadicalVelocity
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Whelp.
It's clear now. No wonder that previous post of yours seemed like it was straight outta the GG playbook.
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Brushguy Woodthreep
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Yeah, heaven forbid a guy legitimately wants games to be less samey for their own enjoyment.
In an alternate universe these games were presented in 2016's E3:
Resident Evil 8 feat. Claire Redfield and Ada Wong
Uncharted 5 feat. Cassie Drake and Chloe
COD: Femme Fatale (all women. Men only in main campaign for a few chapters)
Goddess of War
Death Stranding starring Lena Headey
Spider-Gwen for PS4
Maybe Skullgirls and Arcana Heart should have been on the stage on this year's stage?
While the focus was on a certain presentation, they should have checked Berseria and Bloodstained too.
Tackling these issues is a long battle and will be tricky. It imposes a risk of a product not selling well, on society's backlash, disappointing the current fanbase etc.
it's ok to be vocal about this representation thing but some publishers and devs have already been reaching out to all kind of gamers.
Resident Evil 8 feat. Claire Redfield and Ada Wong
Uncharted 5 feat. Cassie Drake and Chloe
COD: Femme Fatale (all women. Men only in main campaign for a few chapters)
Goddess of War
Death Stranding starring Lena Headey
Spider-Gwen for PS4
Maybe Skullgirls and Arcana Heart should have been on the stage on this year's stage?
While the focus was on a certain presentation, they should have checked Berseria and Bloodstained too.
Tackling these issues is a long battle and will be tricky. It imposes a risk of a product not selling well, on society's backlash, disappointing the current fanbase etc.
it's ok to be vocal about this representation thing but some publishers and devs have already been reaching out to all kind of gamers.
Scientist Supreme!
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You have already rationize the world where that's not happening right now.
There's no reason you need to be this way.
It's sad that you think there is.
Tal Shiar Agent
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I think you missed the train to KiA.
A Link to the Past
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This isn't a poll. We don't take a tally and then decide that, indeed, one group has too few people and are therefore not allowed to discuss these issues.
You are convinced that things like this are ruining gaming, and also, I do have to note just how uninformed you are behaving on this issue. Gaming isn't moving forward on its own, it is moving forward because we put keys in the ignition. You're essentially making the argument that once a car gets to 50MPH, you can just shut off the engine. I mean, it's already moving, right? Why would you need to keep it moving?
velociraptor
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IMO there is no point 'shoe horning' female characters in games for the sake of having female characters.
Either give a well designed experience, or, don't give one at all. Good examples are the likes of Tomb Raider and Horizon. But I for one do not understand why there is a massive uproar over Link/Zelda.
I also do not understand the complaints of the lack of female soldiers in Battlefield 1.
Either give a well designed experience, or, don't give one at all. Good examples are the likes of Tomb Raider and Horizon. But I for one do not understand why there is a massive uproar over Link/Zelda.
I also do not understand the complaints of the lack of female soldiers in Battlefield 1.
A Link to the Past
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But shoehorning does not occur with women characters. You can find more instances of men being shoehorned into a game, or women being shoehorned out, than you can for women.
partyphone
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criticism is invalid because it's not a cash transaction?
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I'm not sure I get the point of your post, the last line pretty much describes what this thread is. Representation is kinda low and it's an appeal to devs and pubs. No ones being held hostage or anything.
velociraptor
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In what way? Most games that we see are FPS/shooter games with military dudes. Doesn't seem out of the question we see male protagonists in this regard.
A Link to the Past
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Babe, this is the market. The market isn't just "buy it or don't." It's "buy it and be quiet, or buy it and criticize, or buy it and praise, or ignore it, or specifically avoid buying it and be quiet, or specifically avoid buying it and criticize it, avoid buying it and try to get others to do the same, etc." You need to be able to handle this aspect of the market better.
Ellie, for instance? Ellie was almost removed from TLOU's cover because Sony worried that gamers would reject the game if it featured a girl.
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