DoubleClutch
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Ain't it kinda gay to always playing as a dude...? Op is so progressive!
I play as what I am. Why would that be gay? That’s like saying wearing male clothes every day is gay.
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I don’t like female protagonists.
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I play as what I am. Why would that be gay? That’s like saying wearing male clothes every day is gay.
Effigenius
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In a fps maybe, but a third person game you’re choosing to stare at a man’s ass for 20-plus hours instead of a woman’s. That makes you at least a little gay
Zathalus
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You mean the starter area that is not present in the sequel at all? Most of the world has no matriarchal societies. The original game only sold more than every single Killzone game combined, twice over.
DoubleClutch
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Wouldn’t know, stopped playing it after that part.
Zathalus
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Maybe play a game past the intro cutscene before you make sweeping statements of the content.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
If a game has such content I’ll just drop it. There are far more games out there than there is time to play so it’s not like I’m missing out on anything. Plus it’s a female character who isn’t even attractive.
Zathalus
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You did actually miss out on one of the more creative and intriguing post apocalyptic settings in a video game because you go upset by world building and because it stars a woman. But you do you, because games with female protagonists are certainly not going anywhere, as despite what some are trying to push it is not games starring woman that don’t sell well, it’s bad video games starring woman that don’t sell well.
DoubleClutch
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That’s okay. And I just won’t buy those games. I’ll play something else. And if gaming becomes solely that, I’ll just find another hobby.
I couldn’t fathom games like Modern Warfare 2 where instead of Ghost, Price, or Soap we had females in their place. If there’s a market for this and it’s so big that I’ll get left behind, thankfully there’s countless other hobbies for me to pursue.
But I’m not going to pretend to like what I don’t or make excuses for it.
Zathalus
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Well you’re in luck, because despite the silly fearmongering strong manly men for you to play with are not going anywhere. Woman protagonists are more prevalent these days but most games still star men, or offer a choice.
For those that really don’t overly care about genitals they can enjoy the games that have woman protagonists, like Metroid 4 or Ghost of Yotei.
Cyberpunkd
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For every 1 average female character you got 10 male ones with zero development or charisma. I don’t think female protagonists are the issue here, but lazy writing and characterisation no matter the gender. However it seems like it doesn’t bother you as long as the character has a dick. Double standard much?
farmerboy
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I either like or dislike a character.
I do not like or dislike the sex of the protagonist.
D DoubleClutch you really come off as a young bloke over compensating his masculinity. Relax bro, a couple of female protagonists aren't going end civilisation as we know it.
I do not like or dislike the sex of the protagonist.
D DoubleClutch you really come off as a young bloke over compensating his masculinity. Relax bro, a couple of female protagonists aren't going end civilisation as we know it.
duck_sauce
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At this point I’m pretty sure that the op is trolling and baiting us into a mega thread.
Either that or he is fishing for a tag.
Either that or he is fishing for a tag.
EruditeHobo
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The answer is no, there is nothing "wrong" with that. But it's important to note it is nothing more than a personal preference... and that means 2 things:
First, it remains a pretty shitty argument if it is used to actually try to make a case for why female protagonists are "bad", or shouldn't exist, or should occur less often.
Second, it is completely 100% opposed/refuted/whatever by any one person who has the exact opposite personal preference. Since it's based on basically nothing it holds no real weight for anyone who is not you. And while you may find 1000 people who agree, that is worth exactly as much as the 1000 people who completely disagree.
Arguments are what matter... so what is the argument that any particular video game should (or should not) feature a female main character? Because on those terms, "I don't like playing as a girl" is a horrible argument however true it may be for one individual.
Is TLOU2 a better game if it were to mostly feature a male protagonist? Is... Super Metroid? What is the relative impact of the change on each of those particular games/stories?
/endthread, for me... personally.
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Blood Borne
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Dude, I totally agree.
Stand your ground, don’t let anyone guilt trip you.
This whole “be tolerant and be accepting of every bullshit” is destroying the west. Fuck that. Be unapologetic. Fuck woke.
I dislike playing as anyone who doesn't have the same hair color as me. I just won't play the game. I got dark brown hair and if the protognest does not have dark brown hair the game is out. I have to relate to the characters through my hair color. I can't believe people are putting other colors like light brown in. Some games even have balled protognests... Filthy stuff.
There I said it and I'm not afraid. I get you OP. I totally 100% do. Completely.
There I said it and I'm not afraid. I get you OP. I totally 100% do. Completely.
Bernardougf
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Yes some traits are bad no matter the gender but usually Man and woman have different personalities and behaviors ... the problem is that the modern female characthers are basically created as a male one and just slapped a woman (barely) skin on it... because for a woman to be strong in their yes she has to basically be a man.
Seomel
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I generally dont mind them. I dont view all games as some self insert, so especially on mmos etc I dont mind even making female character if its for aesthetics. Same as I wouldnt mind eye playing as bayonetta, lara croft, borderlands as siren or Gaige, female V in cybernunk(judy romance tho) or evel Clementine in walking dead later seasons. I can understand not everyone will like that, especially if you can releate to Marcus in GoW and then duddenly all dudebros are forced to play with Kate lol
MMaRsu
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MMaRsu
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Having a female protagonist has nothing to do with woke. You guys need to relax
Not every woman is out to get you.
Hell if you act like this irl you'll never get a woman.
"Ewww this movie has a female in it? Disgusting, woke!"
Embearded
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I understand and respect that some people need to relate somehow to the character on the screen.
I don't need that, and i cannot relate to a character just because we have the same gender. There is language, skin color and physique that also make it hard for me.
In general, what you say OP is cool and there is no problem with that. If someone calls you misogynistic or something, they are on the wrong side.
As long as you don't rush into Yotei threads to call it woke because it has a female character, we are cool.
I don't need that, and i cannot relate to a character just because we have the same gender. There is language, skin color and physique that also make it hard for me.
In general, what you say OP is cool and there is no problem with that. If someone calls you misogynistic or something, they are on the wrong side.
As long as you don't rush into Yotei threads to call it woke because it has a female character, we are cool.
MMaRsu
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Huh?
OP states he hates women in games > thats not misogynistic???
The guy seems real disturbed to me. Especially if you read some of his other posts itt.
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PeteBull
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Yup, guy got fed by feminist lies like those strong independend boss babes and now pretends its the same, sexes are vastly different not only in physical abilities but how they react to things mentally/emotionally too.
Some games with female protag use it to their advantage, like for example first tombraider from new trilogy, w/o spoilers even early ingame stuff would play out differently and wouldnt hit the same if u didnt play it as a fragile teenage girl and instead would be some bulky 250lbs muscular ultra masculine guy
Other good example of using feminity is Gravity Rush, since Cat is perfect for that premise and again- male bulky protag wouldnt simply feel right with her abilities.
Dino Crisis/Resident Evil are horror stories so again being fragile woman(yes, even if u got rocket launcher;p) is still adding to the setting there so it all makes sense, builds atmosphere actually
Stuff like TLOU2- i will not even comment coz we all know how fucked that game is...
Saying all that and praising smart use of women as protagonist, being "antifeminist" and "mysogynist", i fully respect OP's preference to play as a man, same way i respect many female gamers prefernce to play as their own sex too.
Its perfeclty ok to respect other ppl preferences, unlike woke crowd tries to preach here, u would think they got taught tolerance in college gender studies or those weird cringe gender training sessions at corpos they working, but apparently not at all, just as we-sane ppl-suspect, it was waste of money and time
MMaRsu
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Yup, guy got fed by feminist lies like those strong independend boss babes and now pretends its the same, sexes are vastly different not only in physical abilities but how they react to things mentally/emotionally too.
Some games with female protag use it to their advantage, like for example first tombraider from new trilogy, w/o spoilers even early ingame stuff would play out differently and wouldnt hit the same if u didnt play it as a fragile teenage girl and instead would be some bulky 250lbs muscular ultra masculine guy
Other good example of using feminity is Gravity Rush, since Cat is perfect for that premise and again- male bulky protag wouldnt simply feel right with her abilities.
Dino Crisis/Resident Evil are horror stories so again being fragile woman(yes, even if u got rocket launcher;p) is still adding to the setting there so it all makes sense, builds atmosphere actually
Stuff like TLOU2- i will not even comment coz we all know how fucked that game is...
Saying all that and praising smart use of women as protagonist, being "antifeminist" and "mysogynist", i fully respect OP's preference to play as a man, same way i respect many female gamers prefernce to play as their own sex too.
Its perfeclty ok to respect other ppl preferences, unlike woke crowd tries to preach here, u would think they got taught tolerance in college gender studies or those weird cringe gender training sessions at corpos they working, but apparently not at all, just as we-sane ppl-suspect, it was waste of money and time
I agree with everything you said but its not really a 'preference' if OP flatout refuses to play a game that has a female protagonist no?
Then there's not a matter of preference, but just outright stating he will not play it.
Just because it has a women protagonist. Seems very small minded to me.
To me it does sound like he hates women.
And Im fine with that, you wanna hate women you go ahead, doesnt bother me. But just come out and say it lmao.
He wouldnt play a game with a female lead, im sure he wouldnt watch Alien or Aliens that has a female lead, he would think its all about girl problems (when its absolutely not). Pretty sure he wouldnt read a book about a woman or see a tv show that features a woman.
Just come out and say it, you hate women. Its so obvious. No need to hide it.
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Assaulty
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I do prefer to play games as physically strong men, bc thats what I am. But I do enjoy playing as a good written character no matter the sex. I don't enjoy returnal any less because she is female because her characters performance is so good and the writing is stellar.
I do find it kind of immersion breaking when a character like lara croft kills dozens of grown men at a time, specially in cqc but then again, I recently started playing Uncharted 4 and find it just as immersion breaking when Drake kills dozens of highly trained mercenaries
. Sometimes you've got to just accept the boundaries of the universe you are playing are a bit unrealistic.
Miss me with the Mary sue girl bosses and forced inclusivity tho
I do find it kind of immersion breaking when a character like lara croft kills dozens of grown men at a time, specially in cqc but then again, I recently started playing Uncharted 4 and find it just as immersion breaking when Drake kills dozens of highly trained mercenaries
. Sometimes you've got to just accept the boundaries of the universe you are playing are a bit unrealistic. Miss me with the Mary sue girl bosses and forced inclusivity tho
Bernardougf
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I guess too much is too much to the point you just avoid altogether .... I guess OP is concentrating in western games... how many more badly written ugly/androgynous female girl bosses do you need (IF you dont like this type of character ) before you just called quits ?
Asian games are different though... so I still want to play them .. but western games with female leads is an automatically nop for me too.. had enough honestly until they decide to written and design better female characters.
Maybe GTA6 ? ... who knows.
MMaRsu
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Returnal for PS5/PC is a great game with a female protagonist, I haven't heard her say anything about anything related to 'female problems'.
HADES II - Another great game with a female protag
Kena: Bridge of Spirits - Is also a great game that features a female protagonist.
Control - Is also a great game that features a female protagonist. Not my favorite character of Remedy, but not too annoying really
Portal 2 - Although it really doesn't impact anything, it does feature a female protagonist.
Now these are just some of the western titles, on the asian side you also have games like Nier Automata or Gravity Rush, Stellar Blade. Older titles like Resident Evil 2, Silent Hill 3.. the list goes on and on.
If you don't want to play these awesome games because it has a women in it, fine by me, but it seems stupid and you're just depriving yourself of awesome games.
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PeteBull
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Few pages back i used analogy for that:
Homosexual men prefer guys- its their preference, we not forcing them to date women, are we? We respect other ppl prefences even if those are opposite to ours.
Same thing with women who prefer to not date any1 under 6feet tall(u can even tick off a box in dating app so those "midget 5'11 and lower" men not even show up as an option)- we respect it too, its their prefence.
U even have racial preferences, since its quite common women prefer to not date asian guys(including indian)- and again no1 has any problem with that, no1 screams "racists"- its their preference, so we as society are perfectly fine with that.
Yet when a man has preference to play in a game as a man(yes, even if its exclusively playing as a man) which hurts no1(no, those female game protagonists wont feel offended, they are pixels after all, AI isnt developed that far, at least as of yet ;p ) he is called names and somehow ppl arent ok with it? Its his valueable time and his hard earned money that he buys those games with, he should play what he damn wants, period
Lunareste
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Some of my favorite characters in fiction are women, so gender doesn't really matter to me as long as they are well written, intriguing characters.
As a thought experiment: describe Tywin Lannister or Daenarys Targaryen in 5 words.
Now, take any character of your choice and describe them in 5 words.
As a thought experiment: describe Tywin Lannister or Daenarys Targaryen in 5 words.
Now, take any character of your choice and describe them in 5 words.
If you must include their skin color or sexual preference because they lack stronger descriptive characteristics, they are generally not well written characters.
MMaRsu
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Yet when a man has preference to play in a game as a man(yes, even if its exclusively playing as a man) which hurts no1(no, those female game protagonists wont feel offended, they are pixels after all, AI isnt developed that far, at least as of yet ;p ) he is called names and somehow ppl arent ok with it? Its his valueable time and his hard earned money that he buys those games with, he should play what he damn wants, period
Listen he can play whatever he wants, but disengenous bullshit like "a well written female character will always talk about female issues" is just nonsense, and shows OP's how can I say it, bias or preconceived notions?
It sounds like he played a few horrible 'new' games like Dragon Age Failguard with shit ass characters, and decided that he can only play games with men as protagonists now.
I don't care what OP plays but like I posted above, there are actually quite a lot of great games that feature a female protagonist, and have zero to do with 'female issues'. Just seems stupid to deprive yourself of good entertainment. But there's no accounting for taste. If guy actually needs a dudebro to be at the center of the game to enjoy it, more power to me that I don't need that I guess. All I want is a fun game. I don't care if the protagonist is a hippo or a giraffe, as long if the game is good.
Just a lot of nonsense going around in this thread if you ask me.
Because of this stupid and very American culture war we can no longer have a proper conversation about why and how the quality of entertainment in general has declined. Instead of looking at the actual reasons something isn't very good we instead get stupid takes like: "There's a black female character, that's why this game sucks, go woke go broke, hurrr, durr, durr". This is exhaustingly dumb and makes it impossible to have an actual conversation when the people you're trying to talk to are eating dirt and washing it out with glue in front of you.
As for what you're on about OP, there are thousands of games that come out yearly so maybe, just maybe, not all of them should cater to your exact tastes and that's okay. If all games just had dude bro main characters the market would be extremely boring.
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Blood Borne
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I’ve been married for 12 years and have two sons. Just because someone opposes woke means they’re a basement dwelling loser.Having a female protagonist has nothing to do with woke. You guys need to relax
Not every woman is out to get you.
Hell if you act like this irl you'll never get a woman.
"Ewww this movie has a female in it? Disgusting, woke!"
Female protagonist are nothing new and most people never had an issue with them. But now it’s clear why they’re being shoehorned in for an ideology.
It’s not a coincidence that all Sony first party games are now all female protagonist. Ratchet, Horizon, The Last of Us, Ghost of, Intergalactic, Stellar Blade and Returnal.
More so, they’re purposefully made to look ugly and masculine
Lunarorbit
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Imagine not wanting to get past the opening of horizon cause you play as a girl. Or being so butt hurt that you can't even think of trying tlou2.Returnal for PS5/PC is a great game with a female protagonist, I haven't heard her say anything about anything related to 'female problems'.
HADES II - Another great game with a female protag
Kena: Bridge of Spirits - Is also a great game that features a female protagonist.
Control - Is also a great game that features a female protagonist. Not my favorite character of Remedy, but not too annoying really
Portal 2 - Although it really doesn't impact anything, it does feature a female protagonist.
Now these are just some of the western titles, on the asian side you also have games like Nier Automata or Gravity Rush, Stellar Blade. Older titles like Resident Evil 2, Silent Hill 3.. the list goes on and on.
If you don't want to play these awesome games because it has a women in it, fine by me, but it seems stupid and you're just depriving yourself of awesome games.
Oh no the horror of seeing Abby getting railed from behind. How will I go on after being exposed to that cut scene for 5 seconds?
MMaRsu
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If you say so
DrMano
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Its a beautiful country, safest in the world, very peaceful. I lived there for a while.
Mister Wolf
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They also have a fertility rate above replacement level.
darrylgorn
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Cyberpunkd
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Good for you. The sooner this pitiful excuse of a state will disappear, the better.
Zathalus
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missiles
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Never been big on character-driven games whether male or female lead. This might be to do with growing up in the ZX Spectrum/C64/Arcade era where the story was usually nothing more than kill aliens/drive fast/collect treasure. Since then, I've never needed much more motivation than to chase an objective or high score. The only time a character matters to me is if they're annoying or irritating and act as a deterrent/turn off. I'd just rather the character I'm playing is anonymous and silent and doesn't distract from what I'm doing. If there's an interesting world to explore and great combat I could be playing as a toaster and it wouldn't bother me.
I almost always skip cutscenes, never read notes/lore and never care about story spoilers. Just noise to me. Completed Dark Souls and Halo CE what feels like hundreds of times and never had a single clue about what I was doing or why. Just love the gameplay. I don't want games to be movies and only really care about the mechanics/systems and level design, so the sex of the lead character is of zero concern to me.
Ideally games would be more creative and not use human avatars so frequently. Give me weird/wild/abstract ideas instead.
I almost always skip cutscenes, never read notes/lore and never care about story spoilers. Just noise to me. Completed Dark Souls and Halo CE what feels like hundreds of times and never had a single clue about what I was doing or why. Just love the gameplay. I don't want games to be movies and only really care about the mechanics/systems and level design, so the sex of the lead character is of zero concern to me.
Ideally games would be more creative and not use human avatars so frequently. Give me weird/wild/abstract ideas instead.
Freelance Yakuza
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I enjoyed my time playing Gears 2 and 3, but Marcus Fenix never ever felt relatable. Actually I much preferred playing as Chloe on Lost Legacy.
When given the option, I usually creat male characters because I like to pretend it's me. BUT sometimes I want to see what a badass woman would look like doing the same things.
In the end I just don't like poorly written characters, like Lara on Tomb Raider 2013. Or Marcus Fenix son which I don't even remember the name.
Embearded
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I didn't read any of his other posts.
In the OP he says he can only relate to male characters and play only as one. I can understand that but i don't feel like that and i can play as any character as long as the game is good.
ShadyAcshuns
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What is this, feminist day on GAF? Eww...
Wimbledon
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i prefer playing as a male because its like im playing through them, like im them, were both male etc. That being said I don't mind playing as a female if the game is good and the characters written well.
When i play mass effect or most RPGs IF i can only be human, i make a Black male character, because that's what i am. At the same time i don't mind playing characters that i can't change, but i've also written off games in the past because they don't have that customization as an option.
Now being 31 i don't really care all that much about who the character is (as long as their written well and cool and have great design like Masterchief), but i prefer to play as a male character, and if given the option to customize BUT ONLY HUMAN and i pick any race ill make a character that looks like me.....unless I can get the option to be other races like elves or alien etc, then im choosing elves everytime for fantasy, or any alien race that looks cool for scifi. Being human in scifi is just the generic option too me.
When i play mass effect or most RPGs IF i can only be human, i make a Black male character, because that's what i am. At the same time i don't mind playing characters that i can't change, but i've also written off games in the past because they don't have that customization as an option.
Now being 31 i don't really care all that much about who the character is (as long as their written well and cool and have great design like Masterchief), but i prefer to play as a male character, and if given the option to customize BUT ONLY HUMAN and i pick any race ill make a character that looks like me.....unless I can get the option to be other races like elves or alien etc, then im choosing elves everytime for fantasy, or any alien race that looks cool for scifi. Being human in scifi is just the generic option too me.
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DoubleClutch
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Maybe I’m from the old world, before men could become women, but there is a reason a lot of entertainment sucks today.
It’s akin to this, I prefer watching a movie with Arnie, Sly, Eddie Murphy, and the like as the lead, and not Susan Sarandon or Reese Witherspoon for instance.
I just don’t enjoy it. I don’t think we should ban movies with those other actors in it. But if you start adding women whooping ass into movies like Cobra, Commando, etc, I won’t watch them. Because chances are your intentions are to virtue signal and push an ideology instead of artistic creativity.
I already stated there are instances I don’t mind having female protagonists. But presently there are far more instances of where it’s added for BS reasons.
But generally speaking I don’t want to play as a woman. I don’t want to play Halo with Misses Chief. Or God of War with big hulking mother and daughter. Or Spider-Man with Gwen Stacy as the hero.
None of this makes me gay, a misogynist, a racist, a bad person, or whatever else you want to label me as.
It’s pretty ironic, the same crowd that will say gay is natural and good, will call you gay as an insult.
If it doesn’t matter who the main character is, then that’s wonderful, let’s go with a traditional masculine male for all cases and then everybody is happy.
It’s akin to this, I prefer watching a movie with Arnie, Sly, Eddie Murphy, and the like as the lead, and not Susan Sarandon or Reese Witherspoon for instance.
I just don’t enjoy it. I don’t think we should ban movies with those other actors in it. But if you start adding women whooping ass into movies like Cobra, Commando, etc, I won’t watch them. Because chances are your intentions are to virtue signal and push an ideology instead of artistic creativity.
I already stated there are instances I don’t mind having female protagonists. But presently there are far more instances of where it’s added for BS reasons.
But generally speaking I don’t want to play as a woman. I don’t want to play Halo with Misses Chief. Or God of War with big hulking mother and daughter. Or Spider-Man with Gwen Stacy as the hero.
None of this makes me gay, a misogynist, a racist, a bad person, or whatever else you want to label me as.
It’s pretty ironic, the same crowd that will say gay is natural and good, will call you gay as an insult.
If it doesn’t matter who the main character is, then that’s wonderful, let’s go with a traditional masculine male for all cases and then everybody is happy.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I'd fuck all 4.
DoubleClutch
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Not me, not even if it meant no sex for the rest of my life.
poodaddy
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I don't really have a dog in this race, as I despise the woke shit plaguing games and shoe in characters meant to appeal to specific demographics. That being said, I just wanna say that I knew three different women in my time in the Army that were absolutely tough as nails. I personally watched one of them choke out a 6 foot 5 infantryman during a combatives competition, and she was 5'6. Also of note though, was that she was an absolute smoke show, but unfortunately was a lesbian. I sure as shit wouldn't wanna fight her. I guess my point is, there are absolutely badass women out there, that's real, but they also absolutely don't have to look like hulking broodish bitches like Last of Us 2, and they absolutely can be beautiful. Just throwing that out there for anyone who wants it, just my two cents.
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