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[Moosichu]

Compared to the politics of Gove, Farage and Johnson he will seem positively kind hearted despite his nasty anti disabled sick and poor benefit cuts.

Look at what he does instead of what he says. Also, he's happy to say nasty stuff if Tory PR has told him to. He's happily called Corbyn a terrorist and happily used parliamentary privilege to make false claims about Sadiq Khan being an extremist sympathiser. So no, just because now it benefits him not to engage in vile rhetoric, doesn't mean he's above that at all.

Wolf in sheep's clothing.

He can be quite charming though! (So can many people.)

 

[ferrasvansen]

Look at what he does instead of what he says. Also, he's happy to say nasty stuff if Tory PR has told him to. He's happily called Corbyn a terrorist and happily used parliamentary privilege to make false claims about Sadiq Khan being an extremist sympathiser. So no, just because now it benefits him not to engage in vile rhetoric, doesn't mean he's above that at all.

Wolf in sheep's clothing.

Oh i am well aware of David Camerons nastiness, just that Gove and co are no better and folk are in for a shock when Boris is PM, IDS chancellor and Gove is home secretary. The sick and disabled will be wheeled out to the strawberry fields to replace the migrant workers.

 

[Ashes]

I'm talking about his personality rather than his policies. The two are pretty well independent.

I'm sorry then. Perhaps I misunderstood you when you referred to him as being too nice a bloke for the job he has. When he isn't. At all.
Of course this is according to me.

Outside his career, I'm pretty sure, he is far kinder than I, so who am I to judge?

 

[Moosichu]

Oh i am well aware of David Camerons nastiness, just that Gove and co are no better and folk are in for a shock when Boris is PM, IDS chancellor and Gove is home secretary. The sick and disabled will be wheeled out to the strawberry fields to replace the migrant workers.

Pls politics, get better people.

 

[Maledict]

I think he does. And also, I think he trusted the electorate to help him detoxify the Tory party of the more rabid racial and separatist elements but did not properly account for how virulent and nasty and duplicitous the Leave Campaign would be. Essentially he's too nice a bloke for the job he has.

I would agree wth that were it not for the AV referendum and then the London Mayoral contest. Both times 'nice Dave' employed tactics just as bad, if not worse, than the Leave campaign. He stood at the dispatch box in the House of Commons and used racism to attack Sadik Khan for heavens sake. He's just pissed because the weapons he uses have been used against him.

Nice bloke my ass.

 

[avaya]

I like how Gove's critique of Soros is just a blatant lie, left totally I challenged, that he supported the Euro so he's wrong.

The right in this country is Fox News level now.

 

[milanbaros]

Story breaking


David Cameron was told "explicitly and directly" that his promise on immigration could not be reduced, of course this guy is from the 'leave' camp so motives would be a issue, be a lot more damming if he was a remain guy


EU referendum: Cameron 'told migration target was impossible'







http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36582391

Well that is pretty obvious. George Osbourne's budget is based on economic forecasts which have much greater immigration. If the forecasts followed Tory policy he would have to implement further cuts.

 

[Tak3n]

Michael Gove may not be popular on here, but he is the first politician (main player of a campaign) to come out and say enough is enough, and he also wants Cameron to stay..

He was in my local City

Michael Gove called for an “atmosphere of respect” whatever the result of Thursday’s vote on Britain’s membership of the European Union as he addressed our readers in Norwich.

In a wide-ranging to and fro, the Conservative Lord Chancellor also made it clear that he would like prime minister David Cameron to stay on after Thursday’s referendum.

“I think that you have an election to decide your government and you have a referendum to give it instructions in the same way you employ a particular organisation because you trust them and you give them instructions as to how you might want your money invested.” Mr Gove opened the debate telling the audience: “I respect and admire many people on the remain side of the debate and it is important to stress that the principle arguments that have been put forward with fluency by people who sincerely believe and that atmosphere of respect should continue whatever the result. If indeed the public choose to remain in the European Union, I will respect that judgement.” But he said the single most important thing to him was democracy. He said people could say “you’re fired, we want to change direction” to the prime minister at an election. “At the moment so many of our laws are made at European Union level in a way we can’t change, which is why I think we should vote leave and take back control.”

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politic...erendum_event_in_our_norwich_office_1_4585184

 

[Hasney]

Of course he wants Cameron to stay. If remain wins, he's just been on the losing side so won't be able to mount a leadership challenge. If leave wins, he won't want to be the leader until well after this current government because the economy will basically be a dumpster fire full of money for at least a few years.

 

[PJV3]

Michael Gove may not be popular on here, but he is the first politician (main player of a campaign) to come out and say enough is enough, and he also wants Cameron to stay..

He was in my local City





http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politic...erendum_event_in_our_norwich_office_1_4585184

If this all goes wrong he will have to emigrate, I'm tempted to vote leave just for that.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Gove's simply calculating how best to keep the Tories together through the referendum fallout.

 

[Tak3n]

Gove's simply calculating how best to keep the Tories together through the referendum fallout.

no doubt, I would love to be a fly on the wall at the first cabinet meeting....how they all come back from this, I don't know

 

[Tak3n]

Just read there is no provision for a recount, seems very weird, especially if it is close

National total

The Chief Counting Officer will collate all regional totals and once all the regional results, including Northern Ireland, have been approved and declared the Chief Counting will declare the final UK and Gibraltar total.

This will be the official final result and there is no provision for a recount at national level.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7588


and it is ok everyone, the world if fine...David Beckham says vote for remain.....that is it then...lets all pack up and go home

 

[ittoryu]

We had to pay it last year when she got her biometric residence permit, and we'll have to pay it again when she gets her next one in a couple of years. £200/year.

My point is that when it comes to "but I pay taxes here!", non-EU immigrants are already in that situation and apparently no one gives a toss.

Well that's a bad thing if you ask me; I had no idea the non-EU had to pay this fee in order to use NHS. If you work, live and pay taxes here you should get all the care you need without being asked for more money.

 

[ferrasvansen]

no doubt, I would love to be a fly on the wall at the first cabinet meeting....how they all come back from this, I don't know

i am not sure they can, funny thing in all this polls constantly show that middle class upwards are voting to remain in large numbers, that is the tory core vote. They are relying on them for a majority, the working class who tend to not vote as much in general elections are backing leave in growing numbers, so therefore any potential problem which occurs after brexit will really blow up in their face at the next election, so they had better cross every part of their body and hope the economy escapes unscathed. I can only imagine the pressure the tories will exert on the bank of England to try to nullify effects, and wonder how much it will cost us all, just like Black Wednesday, which even to this day meant the Tory vote has never got close to its pre Black Wednesday levels,

 

[killer_clank]

Cameron will quit if leave wins - he doesn't want to be the person who has to negotiate Brexit and why should he? Quitting would be a massive FU to Gove and Boris who'd have to take the poisoned chalice.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Well that's a bad thing if you ask me; I had no idea the non-EU had to pay this fee in order to use NHS. If you work, live and pay taxes here you should get all the care you need without being asked for more money.

But funny thing is, when we got EU we get health care in exchange just like EU nationals here but when we go outside of EU to work we get fuck all as most if not all have private healthcare. So comparison is somewhat strange and one sided.

 

[avaya]

It'll be worse than Black Wednesday. We are at zero lower bound and need foreign currency inflows.

Pound reaching euro parity still sounds mental but it's a material probability now.

 

[JonathanEx]

Just read there is no provision for a recount, seems very weird, especially if it is close

No provision nationally - if people think there's something up at their local count, I believe there's room for that before certification. But to just on a whim require the entire countries votes to be recounted is a big ask. That certification bit locally should deal with the concerns.

 

[ferrasvansen]

It'll be worse than Black Wednesday. We are at zero lower bound and need foreign currency inflows.

Pound reaching euro parity still sounds mental but it's a material probability now.

They keep saying £8 billion will go toward the health service, but intervention to keep currency collapsing and protect stocks could cost many times that and therefore the money for nhs they promised will be gone many times over, i cannot wait to see how they explain all this away.

 

[Maledict]

They keep saying £8 billion will go toward the health service, but intervention to keep currency collapsing and protect stocks could cost many times that and therefore the money for nhs they promised will be gone many times over, i cannot wait to see how they explain all this away.

By not listening to experts!

In terms of the cabinet should remain win, Cameron faces a tough choice. Gove will be in guarantee, but Cameron will really want to hurt Johnson. However, putting him in cabinet does muzzle him thanks to collective cabinet responsibility, and it's not like being outside cabinet will hurt his profile anyway. I think the notion that you have to have run one of the great offices of state to be leader is pretty antiquated now, and Boris can get headlines without it.

If leave wins then logically he and osbourne should both go, but I fear Cameron's pride won't let him. So much of the country's decision making over the last 6 years has been purely short term stuff to get him into number 10, I honestly don't think he'll give it up that easily.

 

[anonymous_abc]

By not listening to experts!

In terms of the cabinet should remain win, Cameron faces a tough choice. Gove will be in guarantee, but Cameron will really want to hurt Johnson. However, putting him in cabinet does muzzle him thanks to collective cabinet responsibility, and it's not like being outside cabinet will hurt his profile anyway. I think the notion that you have to have run one of the great offices of state to be leader is pretty antiquated now, and Boris can get headlines without it.

If leave wins then logically he and osbourne should both go, but I fear Cameron's pride won't let him. So much of the country's decision making over the last 6 years has been purely short term stuff to get him into number 10, I honestly don't think he'll give it up that easily.

I doubt anything could muzzle JBJ...

 

[avaya]

They keep saying £8 billion will go toward the health service, but intervention to keep currency collapsing and protect stocks could cost many times that and therefore the money for nhs they promised will be gone many times over, i cannot wait to see how they explain all this away.

BoE will do that, not treasury. Treasury suffers from recession reducing overall receipts so the money evaporates many times over anyway. Great success.

BoE won't fight FX decline either, will try to make it orderly by providing support but it's no ECB, Fed or China, would be steamrollered.

 

[ferrasvansen]

By not listening to experts!

In terms of the cabinet should remain win, Cameron faces a tough choice. Gove will be in guarantee, but Cameron will really want to hurt Johnson. However, putting him in cabinet does muzzle him thanks to collective cabinet responsibility, and it's not like being outside cabinet will hurt his profile anyway. I think the notion that you have to have run one of the great offices of state to be leader is pretty antiquated now, and Boris can get headlines without it.

If leave wins then logically he and osbourne should both go, but I fear Cameron's pride won't let him. So much of the country's decision making over the last 6 years has been purely short term stuff to get him into number 10, I honestly don't think he'll give it up that easily.

I think Cameron will go and leave Johnson, Gove and the rest to deal with the mess, he can turn around afterward and say i told you so and suddenly he will go down in peoples eyes as being a good PM when in reality he is a bastard and useless PM.

 

[killer_clank]

Cameron has absolutely nothing more to gain by staying after Brexit. He'll say I didn't want this so its not for me to negotiate, here you go Boris and run off into the night.

 

[PJV3]

Is Cameron still going to launch the 2 year negotiations immediately? He does that and then quitting becomes messy as hell.

 

[ferrasvansen]

BoE will do that, not treasury. Treasury suffers from recession reducing overall receipts so the money evaporates many times over anyway. Great success.

BoE won't fight FX decline either, will try to make it orderly by providing support but it's no ECB, Fed or China, would be steamrollered.

Yeah i know the Bank of England does that, but ultimately the treasury will need to respond to the banks actions which will possibly end up with increased interest rates and god knows what else, it's a spiral starts with Bank of England ends at the treasury and eventually in reduced departmental spending and reduced money in peoples pockets.

 

[anonymous_abc]

Is Cameron still going to launch the 2 year negotiations immediately? He does that and then quitting becomes messy as hell.

I'm pretty sure he more or less has to. There is a summit next week on which it would undoubtedly be on the top of the agenda.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Is Cameron still going to launch the 2 year negotiations immediately? He does that and then quitting becomes messy as hell.

Yeah i think he will, got my popcorn supplies and prepped and ready for one almighty shitstorm.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

I doubt anything could muzzle JBJ...

Jon Bon Jovi?

 

[Hasney]

Jon Bon Jovi?

Well, he is living on a prayer.

 

[liquidtmd]

Well, he is living on a prayer.

Breeeeeexit - We're halfway there

 

[anonymous_abc]

Jon Bon Jovi?

Johnson, Boris Johnson.

 

[Ravensmash]

The Sky News commenters did not like another well known name in finance (Soros) coming out against Brexit.

Greed they shout. Remain are desperate they plead. Every expert apart is part of a conspiracy they declare.

Sigh.

You almost want it to all crash so this kind of anti authority thinking disappears.

 

[Maledict]

The Sky News commenters did not like another well known name in finance (Soros) coming out against Brexit.

Greed they shout. Remain are desperate they plead. Every expert apart is part of a conspiracy they declare.

Sigh.

You almost want it to all crash so this kind of anti authority thinking disappears.

It doesn't disappear - it grows stronger. History has shown us repeatedly that accelerationism doesn't work. We just have to live with these biker aspects of society and hope that inch by inch things improve. Blowing everything up just creates more space for people like Murdoch to have greater control and influence.

(Can you imagine the scale of the cuts they will have to impose to cope with the economic fall out? )

 

[JoeM86]

I'm pretty sure he more or less has to. There is a summit next week on which it would undoubtedly be on the top of the agenda.

Technically he doesn't have to. He technically doesn't have to follow the results of the referendum. Of course, it'd be political suicide, but he doesn't have to do anything.

 

[ferrasvansen]

It doesn't disappear - it grows stronger. History has shown us repeatedly that accelerationism doesn't work. We just have to live with these biker aspects of society and hope that inch by inch things improve. Blowing everything up just creates more space for people like Murdoch to have greater control and influence.

(Can you imagine the scale of the cuts they will have to impose to cope with the economic fall out? )

Yeah and can you imagine the faces of the voters who suffer most, when they realise it was them voting leave that did it. I can just imagine Boris going on tv, sorry folks but in the end it is what you all voted for and thats life so do not blame me, going to be glorious.

 

[jufonuk]

This is how the remain campaign can win it for us all
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2sul981GX4

 

[Tak3n]

A leaflet has been scanned to show remain using Jo Cox murder as a consequence of the leave campaign

these were sent to Brixton residents, but it was posted on a right wing website (for disclosure) lets hope it was not faked

 

[PJV3]

I'm pretty sure he more or less has to. There is a summit next week on which it would undoubtedly be on the top of the agenda.

Yeah i think he will, got my popcorn supplies and prepped and ready for one almighty shitstorm.

So shit on Friday, then shit possibly as we actually leave the EU in 2 years time.

I'm trying to work out which is going to be shittiest, but it's beyond my level of understanding.

 

[ferrasvansen]

A leaflet has been scanned to show remain using Jo Cox murder as a consequence of the leave campaign

these were sent to Brixton residents, but it was posted on a right wing website (for disclosure) lets hope it was not faked

Have to say it looks kinda home made, sorry but the quality of that imagine is shocking.

 

[liquidtmd]

Have to say it looks kinda home made, sorry but the quality of that imagine is shocking.

Yeah, coupled with the face in the top right corner - it's amateur hour stuff

 

[Tak3n]

Have to say it looks kinda home made, sorry but the quality of that imagine is shocking.

Yes, it may be someone local, but still shitty....I will say it does not look like it is from a 'official' remain side

 

[PJV3]

Is it actually a remain item or a Kate Hoey is being a dick thing?

 

[Tak3n]

Yeah, coupled with the face in the top right corner - it's amateur hour stuff

that is his website mate, that is all...Guy Fawkes website...he imposed it on there...

it is a right wing website http://order-order.com

 

[Hasney]

Yes, it may be someone local, but still shitty....I will say it does not look like it is from a 'official' remain side

I went to the petition site and I am fairly certain that it's not anything official. Started by someone called Jason Oddy. That is a name of a photographer, but searching for it on Twitter brings no results.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Is it actually a remain item or a Kate Hoey is being a dick thing?

Knowing Kate Hoey, would not be shocked if she wrote it herself, horrible woman. Anyone who tries to justify Fox hunting as a sport is beyond redemption in my eyes.

 

[FlammableD]

I agree. I know someone got jumped on for saying it right after the murder, but people have been saying for years this is what happens when you encourage and embolden racism and xenophobia.

 

[RedSparrows]

Yeah and can you imagine the faces of the voters who suffer most, when they realise it was them voting leave that did it. I can just imagine Boris going on tv, sorry folks but in the end it is what you all voted for and thats life so do not blame me, going to be glorious.

Given the way austerity has been sucked up by so many, I'm not so optimistic for some grand schadenfreude moment.

 

[King_Moc]

Yeah and can you imagine the faces of the voters who suffer most, when they realise it was them voting leave that did it. I can just imagine Boris going on tv, sorry folks but in the end it is what you all voted for and thats life so do not blame me, going to be glorious.

Ha, as if they'll blame themselves! It'll be foreigners, Muslims, blacks, old people...anything that gets them off the hook. Same as always.