HazySaiyan
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That was yesterdays paper, today's has a big Remain ad on it.
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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That was yesterdays paper, today's has a big Remain ad on it.
It's not saying we'd have another referendum, it's saying that parliment could still make us leave in the future for whatever reason.
Also I think you're wrong about the second point, it would be a big PR disaster to let us leave and then let us back in. Otherwise lots of other countries in the EU could just say ok we'll leave too temporarily until things are better. By saying no you can't come back in it would make other countries think twice about doing something similar.
Alx
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It's no coincidence actually, croissants were created with that shape in Austria to appeal to the Turkish community, which was quite big due to strong commercial ties (also explains the popularity of coffee in Vienna).
Maybe not the right moment to mention that part of trivia.
Flintty
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Sorry, my wording was wrong. I meant if EU wanted to stop us re-joining. I know they're powerless to stop us going - it's in the hands of the people. And my fear is that if we remain this time, another government might not give us another referendum for quite some time, unless UKIP get in. And we don't really want that.
Again, very unlikely unless UKIP get in power, in my opinion.
jufonuk
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It's no coincidence actually, croissants were created with that shape in Austria to appeal to the Turkish community, which was quite big due to strong commercial ties (also explains the popularity of coffee in Vienna).
Maybe not the right moment to mention that part of trivia.
that's all the proof I need...
TAKE BACK CONTROL!!!!!!!!! wrabbble grabbell immigrations!!
Diana would be spinning in her grave. vote leave ..... la la la la can't hear you!!
I am trying to be silly/sarcastic if it is too wrong or out of place let me know I stop this.
Ah that explains it. I have been stuck indoors waiting for a delivery, I didn't check the date.
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Also is it seriously part of Daily Mail? I have to stop reading that shit.
HazySaiyan
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It's no coincidence actually, croissants were created with that shape in Austria to appeal to the Turkish community, which was quite big due to strong commercial ties (also explains the popularity of coffee in Vienna).
Maybe not the right moment to mention that part of trivia.
We told you the Turks were coming! All thanks to the EUSSR!
Ravensmash
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Because equating the EU with the rise of Nazism isn't "Project Fear" either...
ClosingADoor
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Don't know if you get back in. Every other country needs to accept it then. And you'd need to accept more things then now, so Schengen and the Euro probably. If the UK comes crawling back and accepts those things, they might get back in. But making it to easy and already leaving the door open is not a good example for other members. You can't just have countries coming and going in an union like this.
It's no coincidence actually, croissants were created with that shape in Austria to appeal to the Turkish community, which was quite big due to strong commercial ties (also explains the popularity of coffee in Vienna).
Maybe not the right moment to mention that part of trivia.
Wasn't the croissant created in shape of a crescent (according to legends) to celebrate the victory over the Turks at the siege of Vienna? Oh, wait, I missed the obvious joke, didn't I?
Flintty
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Maybe. Who knows? All the more reason to leave now and live/die by that decision! #VoteLeave
Yep it's owned by daily mail & general trust. A free paper to push right wing stuff.
Juncker trolling Cameron, and I am pleased as these false promises keep rolling out of his mouth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
Alx
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Actually I genuinely believed in the more peaceful explanation, but the victory celebration theory seems to be more popular (according to wikipedia at least). Ok then, you can brandish the croissant as a symbol of the fight against Turkish invasion then.
Or just eat it, whatever.
SymbiantXenos
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Voted by post a few weeks ago.
ClosingADoor
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What's the trolling here? The UK negotiated with the EU for better things. They got some, as it goes in negotiations. Give and take a bit.
Of course the EU is not going to say: let's continue some endless negotiation until you get what you want. They have a deal now, so let's implement that one.
QuicheFontaine
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I'm not really trying to spread an "everything is on fire narrative". It's just that I had heard the the EU was growing slower than pretty much every region on the globe. If that's not right, happy to be corrected on it. I see just from your numbers that Japan is apparently doing worse.
Btw, I'm back on the Leave bus guys. I went to a networking lunch thing, had a couple of glasses of wine and spoke to several business owners older and wiser than myself, and I'm reassured that Leave is the way to go.
Flintty
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Lol at least he's being transparent, unlike Cameron. Busted.
Garrett Hawke
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God I'm so anxious. Do we know how long it will take to find out the results? I stayed up pretty much all night during the Scottish Referendum as well, but the result was pretty much final around 5-6am.
Long time no post GAF - the worst thing about this is that the decision is going to be made by people who are completely clueless as to the ramifications and have taken no steps to educate or inform themselves.
My wife and I have had incredibly frustrating conversations with our parents in the last 24 hours where they evidently have no idea of any facts but will be voting with their gut that leaving is best.
I was explaining to my Mum last night how a lot of her expressed issues were internal UK political issues etc and she became visibly upset and said 'I don't want to think about it or talk about it now'. I bloody love my Mum, she is smarter than me and she has been a teacher and charity leader for the last 40 years, but she is burying her head in the sand
My wife was speaking to her Dad this morning - he's voting out because the EU is 'a godless institution'. Well, OK, I guess? (I'm a Christian too, but I don't think about the world like that) She asked what difference it makes if he lives in the UK which is also 'godless' in his terms. He said we have a head of state who is a Christian (the Queen). She pointed out the Queen has absolutely no power and authority over internal UK politics (other than ceremonially, obviously). Then he fumbled about how Germany will still want to sell us cars, won't they?
I'm sure they will, but obviously the best conditions for them to do that exist today, in the EU, so what's your point?! We are all going for a family weekend away on Friday with my in-laws and if we vote Leave on Friday I'm not sure how I will avoid the conversation over the weekend...
My wife and I have had incredibly frustrating conversations with our parents in the last 24 hours where they evidently have no idea of any facts but will be voting with their gut that leaving is best.
I was explaining to my Mum last night how a lot of her expressed issues were internal UK political issues etc and she became visibly upset and said 'I don't want to think about it or talk about it now'. I bloody love my Mum, she is smarter than me and she has been a teacher and charity leader for the last 40 years, but she is burying her head in the sand
My wife was speaking to her Dad this morning - he's voting out because the EU is 'a godless institution'. Well, OK, I guess? (I'm a Christian too, but I don't think about the world like that) She asked what difference it makes if he lives in the UK which is also 'godless' in his terms. He said we have a head of state who is a Christian (the Queen). She pointed out the Queen has absolutely no power and authority over internal UK politics (other than ceremonially, obviously). Then he fumbled about how Germany will still want to sell us cars, won't they?
I'm sure they will, but obviously the best conditions for them to do that exist today, in the EU, so what's your point?! We are all going for a family weekend away on Friday with my in-laws and if we vote Leave on Friday I'm not sure how I will avoid the conversation over the weekend...
ClosingADoor
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Japan has had economic problems for a long time now. Not really surprising they are growing very slowly.
What made you switch to Leave? Be interested to see what they had to say.
Trolling perhaps is the wrong word, but it goes to show just what bullshit the PM will come out with to get his way...
and by that he will say anything
ClosingADoor
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Ah, I got it the other way. Thought you were saying Juncker was lying instead of Cameron. Cameron should definitely shut up by now about these things he know won't happen.
I thought you stopped the trolling.
Long time no post GAF - the worst thing about this is that the decision is going to be made by people who are completely clueless as to the ramifications and have taken no steps to educate or inform themselves.
My wife and I have had incredibly frustrating conversations with our parents in the last 24 hours where they evidently have no idea of any facts but will be voting with their gut that leaving is best.
I was explaining to my Mum last night how a lot of her expressed issues were internal UK political issues etc and she became visibly upset and said 'I don't want to think about it or talk about it now'. I bloody love my Mum, she is smarter than me and she has been a teacher and charity leader for the last 40 years, but she is burying her head in the sand
My wife was speaking to her Dad this morning - he's voting out because the EU is 'a godless institution'. Well, OK, I guess? (I'm a Christian too, but I don't think about the world like that) She asked what difference it makes if he lives in the UK which is also 'godless' in his terms. He said we have a head of state who is a Christian (the Queen). She pointed out the Queen has absolutely no power and authority over internal UK politics (other than ceremonially, obviously). Then he fumbled about how Germany will still want to sell us cars, won't they?
I'm sure they will, but obviously the best conditions for them to do that exist today, in the EU, so what's your point?! We are all going for a family weekend away on Friday with my in-laws and if we vote Leave on Friday I'm not sure how I will avoid the conversation over the weekend...
Dont discuss politics, had this with my mum this morning, who is voting leave, when I explained that she should be voting remain, as she has a holiday house in spain, in her 80's and lives in a tiny villiage that has zero immgrants, and for her all ends up remain is better...
She could not see it, all she wants is what the UK use to be like, when i explained she would be long gone before any semblance of what the UK use to be is returned, she just could not see it....
People get set and no changing to be done
Bloody idiots.
How do you feel about it, Tak3n?
Miles Quaritch
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Not sane enough.
SuperEpicMan
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I feel it will be a colossal shame if we end up leaving the EU considering the progress the North East has made in terms of tech industry growth. Much of it off the back of EU investment.
That politicians will say anything to advance their own end, we can probably name on one hand those politicians who you could really trust
jufonuk
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Garrett Hawke
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but the immigrants & the jobs & the spread of Islamic spiders to Britain
So you are not voting tomorrow then?
It's likely she's not thinking of what the UK actually used to be like anyway. This is a perpetual problem in politics I feel. People wishing for things to be as they were, where they don't have a clear recollection of what things actually were like, but have an idealized version in their heads. Kind of like how some people want to live in the 18th century after watching a costume drama set in the time.
QuicheFontaine
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Well, I never really switched from Leave, but I was wavering a bit this morning in a "better not rock the boat" kind of way.
The people I spoke to at lunch mainly wanted a return to a free trade agreement, not a common parliament, not a political union, not a 'president', just European countries trading tarriff-free. They were saying that's what they voted for in 1975, but it's not what they got. That's moreorless my thoughts on the matter too.
I also spoke to some wealth managers who were saying that despite all the scaremongering they only know of one client who has cashed in their investments prior to Brexit, and that was to pay a mortgage off on a flat (so perhaps unrelated). They expect the shock of Brexit to merely be a 'blip' - the market doesn't mind bad news, obviously it prefers good news, but what it really hates is uncertainty, which will be resolved one way or another on Friday. There are always winners and losers, and if you have diverse investments you should generally be fine.
Oh, and everyone hates Cameron and Osborne. Plenty of lifelong Tory voters pledging not to vote for them as long as they're in charge. I told them they probably don't need to worry about that for long!
If anyone reading this thread is still undecided about which way you want to vote tomorrow....
There is categorically no way another Government in my lifetime or my children's will let us have another Referendum
So can someone explain things to an American?
Britain, if they leave would it affect Ireland? And is this for the entire UK?
Also why would it be so bad to leave the EU? Over here in America we aren't part of a huge union of countries, so is it a necessity for Britain to remain in?
Also what makes this different than when Scotland tried to leave the UK a few years back and it seemed to be overwhelmingly rejected. Why is this one so close?
Britain, if they leave would it affect Ireland? And is this for the entire UK?
Also why would it be so bad to leave the EU? Over here in America we aren't part of a huge union of countries, so is it a necessity for Britain to remain in?
Also what makes this different than when Scotland tried to leave the UK a few years back and it seemed to be overwhelmingly rejected. Why is this one so close?
ClosingADoor
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That's a fair point. But I think the natural evolution of such a large free trade and movement union will in the end become political again anyway. You need to have the same regulations and rules to make it possible and somebody needs to make those and watch that it is implemented. So then you need a court, a commission, etc.
Don't know about the stock market. Long term it will recover, but short term is a bit more risky. Really depends if you need the money quicker or are letting it sit there for retirement or something.
Would not affect Ireland, since it is a separate country, so they won't go out. It would affect them economically since they do a lot of business with the UK. Then there is Northern Ireland and how the border will work.
The US is a union. Imagine California wanting out, or Texas. Of course the EU is not as tight as the US states, but you can see why we rather keep it together.
Scottish referendum was just the Scottish people voting. This one is the whole of the UK. Scotland wants to mostly remain in the EU, England has more people that want out.
I think really the worst thing is that people like our parents will be voting based on the fact that our political class has failed to address perfectly valid fears about globalisation and changes in the modern world. People are voting so that things will 'go back to how they were' but that doesn't exist anymore.
My Dad goes on about how 'we stopped making things' with no insight into the fact that it became cheaper to make things elsewhere and our economy has moved on to have strengths in other areas. Listening to the radio it sounds like there are lots of people who feel this way and the complete absence of decent political discourse over the last 20 years to address and help people make sense of those changes has left a vacuum for the sort of sentiment we are hearing from Leave, which continues to leave people uninformed, but does make them fearful and defensive, so, great...
ThoseDeafMutes
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I will be quite perturbed if the leave votes have it. Don't screw it up, UK.
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