Yeah, I've got some of my savings moved over too. May as well spina little profit in case it goes tits up, or plan a trip to a America to spend some of this yankee cash.
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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Yeah, I've got some of my savings moved over too. May as well spina little profit in case it goes tits up, or plan a trip to a America to spend some of this yankee cash.
ferrasvansen
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Also quite a few nationalists I've spoken too seem to think voting leave will speed up independence, which is the opposite of what would happen, tried explaining to them but would have been easier trying to convince a brick wall.
I can't understand how anyone could listen to that speech. I gave up after a few minutes of veiled racism and disinformation. If there were any serious points there I skipped over them due to his delivery of it.
I just listened to it, im on the fence, I didnt get any veiled racism? What are you referring to?
There's nothing even close to racism in that speech. You're being close-minded and letting your hatred for the other side blind you to the actual argument.
Funny you say that I had that exact argument yesterday. Tbh, as much as Labour have done next to nothing in this campaign neither have the SNP - apart from Nicola in the debate. Haven't heard much in the press apart from another Indy Ref no outright Vote Remain from them which may be confusing the Joe Bloggs the street which way to vote.
The mainstream media have been deliberately spinning the SNP position as 'confusing' and 'contradictory', when it's been crystal clear that the SNP wanted everyone to vote 'Remain' from the moment the referendum was announced. Seems to be working. :
this is related to the Brexit vote?
Yep. Moves aren't 100% sure but had friends at GS told it'll be Madrid or Frankfurt within 2yrs, contingency planning started middle of last year.
Flintty
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Wtf racism? Did we watch the same speech? Are you just being sensationalist? Please explain.
I don't know about that. Most of my friends (ages 20-24) who voted Yes because of nationalism/fuck Westminster etc seem to want to Vote Leave because "why should we be part of the UK and the EU I want Independence!". Yes they are wrong and misinformed but how widespread is this feeling? IMO the SNP haven't done a good job in explaining this to their supporters - being an Independent country within the common market.
Leeds has been pretty neutral, in terms of what I have seen. I'm guessing your Hyde Park/Burley area?
I thought it was a very eloquent and polite speech even if a touch overly passionate at times. If it was disinformation then post what was false with corrections, inform people how they were mislead rather then just say 'I gave up, it was racist'.
jufonuk
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so most of the city could be moving out of London should we leave?
Portugeezer
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I'm a bit confused.
If I received a poll card does that mean I can vote? I'm not British, just lived here all my life. Read online that I can't vote, but then also read that if you can't vote you don't get a poll card so I'm a bit confused.
If I received a poll card does that mean I can vote? I'm not British, just lived here all my life. Read online that I can't vote, but then also read that if you can't vote you don't get a poll card so I'm a bit confused.
I didn't listen to it all, but I agree that I can't find any in the bit I listened to.
Got to the part about increased wages and stopped as it forgot to mention about how the weaker pound would make items made outside of the UK more expensive and inflation will likely increase more than the actual paid wage. For an extreme example, see Zimbabwae when their currency went to shit, wages did indeed go up. It still didn't go as far.
It's slightly disingenuous to say it would benefit the poor. It's likely that experienced and qualified workers would be able to ask for a payrise as they'd need to be kept, but the minimum wage and benefits aren't likely to go up. Especially with the current government whoever ends up leading it.
I might listen to the rest, but that part was bugging me. That dude is a good speaker though.
Yup. There's a seemingly invisible line just past the universities and it all starts appearing.
GoldenCrow
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Really not looking forward to the vote tomorrow. I'm not against leaving the EU and think there are good arguments for and against but the total and utter lack of proposed potential alternatives just makes my stomach churn. It doesn't help knowing the politics behind the Leave campaign faces I do not want to be part of a country where they would potentially ride the wave of success.
If you have got your polling card, you are on the electoral register, so you can vote. (I'm 99% sure)
Yes? This has been made abundantly clear over the last year. There's no way for London to act as the financial capital of Europe if it isn't in Europe. Hell, the fact that the Euro clearing houses are based in London is weird enough given we aren't in the euro.
It's far easier to move businesses and staff these days than it ever was before - companies will absolutely be shifting as soon as an exit vote is confirmed. My own job is significantly at risk because if a Brexit vote happens we've already been told off the record that there is absolutely 0% chance that Shell will maintain its offices in the UK.
Not all of it, some of it. Maybe large parts. I can't speak for everyone just for my field. Expectations that France/Germany will pull financial passport status and in leave situation City loses all its exceptions (Euro denominated clearing etc.). Definitely going to shrink size of FS sector here.
If you vote Leave, they'll find you.
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I think you basically are eligible for a British Passport so they figure you probably naturalised.
How can you have lived here all your life and not be British?
My Mother and Grandmother are Irish-born and they've been voting for years.
You wouldn't have received a polling card if you weren't a registered voter.
Ravensmash
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What's your nationality if you don't mind me asking?
I know Irish and Commonwealth citizens are eligible to vote.
Are you Irish or commonwealth?
GoldenCrow
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It is because we aren't in the Euro and we have a traditionally strong currency that the UK became the financial capital, it is a great protection against the unstable Euro. We have better business policies for business than what Norway does so that also helps.
milanbaros
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Leave will shake the economy very hard. The City will be affected. My job will in trouble if we vote out. CEO desperate for all employees to vote remain.
jufonuk
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most of my work are voting IN. haven't heard a Leave supporter. actually had an undecided but info pointing to Norway doing ok made them go to leave but then reality set in.
work in News don't know how it will affect my job though. (no I am not in reporting at all, just the operations side, have no editorial control)
this is all the crap the leave people need , time to start cutting our noses off to spite our faces in reaction then..
work in News don't know how it will affect my job though. (no I am not in reporting at all, just the operations side, have no editorial control)
this is all the crap the leave people need , time to start cutting our noses off to spite our faces in reaction then..
Yup, everything a leave vote will kill. I think the pound could recover eventually, but 'when' is a giant unknown and speculation is terrible for the strength of a currency.
Honestly, if Scotland does get their referendum soon and get into the EU, they might be better off getting the Euro, as weird as that feels to type out.
Camp Freddie
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Just had a call with one of my clients. They say their UK office will be shut down if there's a leave vote.
It's only a handful of jobs, but it makes no sense to keep their UK office. The UK agricultural market is too small to justify a significant investment in complying with parallel regulatory systems.
At the moment it's very easy and inexpensive to get UK regulatory approval once you have a product in Germany/Netherlands/Eastern Europe so most companies have a "might as well then" attitude. Once you add uncertainty or potential fees, the costs/risks don't justify it.
I suspect that practical reasons would mean that we'd just end up following all the EU regulations because writing and enforcing our own would be too costly for both our government and any businesses thinking about selling stuff. Cutting the regulations will never happen (in agriculture) since they exist to protect people and the environment. After the BSE and horse meat scandals, it'd be a suicidally libertarian government that decided to cut regulations in the agricultural sector.
Admittedly, I work in a fairly specialised and highly regulated field - so this is not necessarily indicative of the whole British economy.
It's only a handful of jobs, but it makes no sense to keep their UK office. The UK agricultural market is too small to justify a significant investment in complying with parallel regulatory systems.
At the moment it's very easy and inexpensive to get UK regulatory approval once you have a product in Germany/Netherlands/Eastern Europe so most companies have a "might as well then" attitude. Once you add uncertainty or potential fees, the costs/risks don't justify it.
I suspect that practical reasons would mean that we'd just end up following all the EU regulations because writing and enforcing our own would be too costly for both our government and any businesses thinking about selling stuff. Cutting the regulations will never happen (in agriculture) since they exist to protect people and the environment. After the BSE and horse meat scandals, it'd be a suicidally libertarian government that decided to cut regulations in the agricultural sector.
Admittedly, I work in a fairly specialised and highly regulated field - so this is not necessarily indicative of the whole British economy.
He almost literally opens with 'Some of my best friends are Europeans,' before going on to say they've all got crazy federalist ideas, 'but that doesn't stop them being good people.' FFS
Directly compares the EU to FIFA, currently going through massive corruption scandal, which the EU isn't.
Compares the EU share of World economy over time, completely ignoring the rise of China, India, etc. skewing figures in a way that doesn't sit with his 1070's view of it.
Hilarious comments about 'democracy' as usual. Ignoring that the UK's balance of democracy is FAR worse thanks to the House of Lords ("The right to grow up in a country where we can hire and fire our own lawmakers" LOL), while painting the false notion that the EU parliament is 'anti-democratic' just because the UK parties put up shit candidates.
Complains about lack of free trade deals with India, while slipping out that we are already the third biggest investor in each other's countries.
Daddy fought in the WW2 to defend British freedoms.
There's nothing new, nothing of substance. It was the same re-heated, right-wing, manure. This time in a dinner suit.
Err what? France/Germany tried to force euro-clearing to be in Paris/Frankfurt and the ECJ ruled against them. Both want to bolster Paris/Frankfurt. The UK has managed to win quite a few battles on this and on financial services regulation (rightly or wrongly).
Buy-side is looking at options in Geneva. Several clients over past few weeks let that slip to me. So I do expect the shadow banking system to move in unison with the sell-side.
Jimbob Smalls
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Experts, lots and lots of them said not joining the Euro would be disastrous for us citing similar economic doom scenarios.
We boomed.
Experts stopped talking.
Portugeezer
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Never felt the need to change my citizenship. Although I did apply once but never went through with it.
Portuguese.
GoldenCrow
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What the fuck, when did Norway leave.
Flintty
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Yeah, still not seeing racism though.
Debate ratings;
BBC1
EastEnders: 5.57m (31.7%)
BBC News (10pm): 5.00m (29.7%)
EU Referendum: the Great Debate: 3.86m (19.3%)
I think there is going to be a big Remain win. People will vote but most people are not feeling that strongly about it.
Edit; leave might skew old but they also skew towards the lower earners. Thats fine in first past the post, less fine in a referendum. Their not going to get people out like Yes did.
BBC1
EastEnders: 5.57m (31.7%)
BBC News (10pm): 5.00m (29.7%)
EU Referendum: the Great Debate: 3.86m (19.3%)
I think there is going to be a big Remain win. People will vote but most people are not feeling that strongly about it.
Edit; leave might skew old but they also skew towards the lower earners. Thats fine in first past the post, less fine in a referendum. Their not going to get people out like Yes did.
milanbaros
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Agree. Don't think it will be very close and remain will win.
The EU is not a race. It's a government body. What an amusingly odd interpretation.
If you had accused his speech of being contemptuous of the EU as a bureaucracy, you would be correct. Nothing racist there.
'All my life' denotes to me you were born here, is that not the case?
If you've got a polling card you're on the register, why would this be?
I assume you have a Portuguese passport?
Flintty
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100% out, as are the majority of local people I've discussed it with. I'm hopeful but not entirely confident of a majority vote though.
I have no idea, I envy peoples conviction
Revisionist history much? When was there economic consensus that joining the Euro was a good thing? It was macro 101 taught even at GCSE level that says single currency without transfer payments would be a disaster waiting to happen.
Why? What changed your mind?
Psychotext
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Hmm... I'm supposed to have got a polling card? Neither my missus or I have got one, but we voted in the recent local elections.
Jimbob Smalls
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I'm amazed every company on the planet isn't set up in the EU the way some talk about how amazing it is.
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