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[cabot]

I mean, it's not hard to see the connotation. When the leave campaign has been doused in Nationalism, and the Leave supporting papers are emblazoned with Union Jacks, there's an obvious leaning.

Implying lefties think comment sections are anything other than hot garbage

I tend to read comments sections for sites, guardian isnt horrible when its something like tech or such. Ars Technica is also pretty good.

I'll exclude youtube though, always.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Goddamn the number of people paranoid about using pencils on Twitter is embarassing.

You what?

 

[PJV3]

I'm amused by Guardian readers going so high, reading the comments section of EU articles there is harrowing.

It used to be different, then other places started using pay walls.

 

[Kotetsu534]

Harry de Quetteville in the Telegraph gets it right, in my opinion - this isn't the end, it isn't even the beginning of the end.

Brexiteers waking up tomorrow to a Britain that has voted to Leave will be disappointed to learn their problem has not been solved. Even if not a single EU immigrant was allowed into this country, migration would exceed by 400 per cent the tens of thousands that Nigel Farage says he wants to get back to. And while Michael Gove and Boris Johnson say they want above all to control immigration, the point is that many Brexit backers want fewer immigrants, not different immigrants. A failure to deliver that will be seen as a betrayal.

Meanwhile, the job security that is supposedly on offer if we Remain is a total fiction too. As the suffering of Tata steel workers and BHS shop assistants shows, EU membership is no safe harbour from the storms unleashed by Chinese manufacturing or online retailing.

The simple reality is that we are facing a period of extraordinary upheaval akin to that of roughly 200 years ago, when the industrial revolution swept across the Western world. Our revolution is not founded on railways and factory chimneys but on globalisation and automation.

This is the deceit that both Leave and Remain camps have, to their great shame, indulged in: that they offer a simple solution to problems that are both a) complex and b) to a much greater extent that they would admit, beyond their control.

What neither side will admit is that the EU referendum is largely a substitute for a much bigger argument that will shape the next decades: How on earth are vast numbers of [sic] going to make a living now?

This is a question that will be bedevil rich and poor, but against whose effects poorer people have far less protection. That is why they, today, are far more angry with the establishment, far more sceptical of establishment solutions. But their anger will spread. That is not to say there will not be great new avenues of employment. There always have been at these transformational moments in the past. It is simply that those avenues are not clear today. It is therefore entirely natural for huge numbers of us to feel worried.

Would that our politicians, on either side of this campaign, or on either side of the left/right divide, could acknowledge this.

 

[Morat]

Oops double post.

 

[Yen]

You what?

MI5 are going to rub out the Leave votes and write in Remain

 

[axisofweevils]

Which made no sense to me. "We want this union but not the other one!"

St George's crosses would be a no-no at polling stations, I would think

It was seeing this tweet that made me ask the question :O https://twitter.com/christopheral/status/745877148775374848

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I'm a bit worried about london voters given how bad the weather is going to get later.

If people can, vote before 3pm. Going to be a thunderstorm this afternoon apparently. Hope it's not as bad as last night

 

[danowat]

MI5 are going to rub out the Leave votes and write in Remain

Lol, really?

 

[Carl]

Bookies think this is a done deal, odds shortening rapidly on Remain win. Average odds have gone from 1/4 to 1/6 in the last hour or so.

They know no more than anyone else does though, apart from which one people are putting money on

 

[milanbaros]

It was this that was seeing this tweet that made me ask the question :O https://twitter.com/christopheral/status/745877148775374848

Are you allowed to take photos of the inside of polling stations?

 

[DiGiKerot]

I have read (nothing official) from several twitter feeds that the postal vote is mostly leave, but then I also read that they have not even been opened yet?

There will have been no count, and no genuine news Leave or Remain. It's bad practice to start any kind of count prior to voting having completed as any kind of leak can effect voter turnout as a result, and anyone trying to suggest that there actually is any kind of news is likely to be attempting to do just that.

 

[HazySaiyan]

You what?

Some people are saying that the polling booths want us to use pencils so they can 'rub our votes out'. Seems to be mainly Brexiters saying it, like there's some sort of conspiracy to fix it in favour of Remain. Last I checked we've always used pencils.

 

[Maledict]

I really don't understand the bookies moving at all right now unless it's based off last night's polls. There's no statistically relevant data available from the field that would give any indication?

 

[SuperSah]

Quick question - what is the voting system like?

Will they count X amoubt votes leave/remain or will they count the majority in a constituency?

I am off to make my vote soon.

 

[Moozo]

Harry de Quetteville in the Telegraph gets it right, in my opinion - this isn't the end, it isn't even the beginning of the end.





Would that our politicians, on either side of this campaign, or on either side of the left/right divide, could acknowledge this.

#VoteNeither

 

[PJV3]

Off out to the polling station later, busy day of vote rubbing.

 

[cabot]

Quick question - what is the voting system like?

Will they count X amoubt votes leave/remain or will they count the majority in a constituency?

I am off to make my vote soon.

1 person 1 vote, but counts are given by....uh council area or something.

 

[Sordid]

Voted Remain, my polling station had 7 people in it which isn't bad for a town this small! Fingers crossed we stay in ☘

Edit: Just checked Facebook and my news feed is full of Brexiters saying the vote has been rigged already. Crazy stuff. Funny thing is most of these folk voted Yes in the indy ref as well, I don't get it.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Quick question - what is the voting system like?

Will they count X amoubt votes leave/remain or will they count the majority in a constituency?

I am off to make my vote soon.

It's total numbers nationally, so every vote matters.

Voted Remain, my polling station had 7 people in it which isn't bad for a town this small! Fingers crossed we stay in ☘

Edit: Just checked Facebook and my news feed is full of Brexiters saying the vote has been rigged already. Dear me. Funny thing is most of these folk voted Yes in the indy ref as well, I don't get it.

I thought the SNP wanted to stay in europe?

 

[milanbaros]

I really don't understand the bookies moving at all right now unless it's based off last night's polls. There's no statistically relevant data available from the field that would give any indication?

It isn't the bookies it is the people betting. A lot of money going on remain this morning so it is shortening the odds.

 

[kavanf1]

I really don't understand the bookies moving at all right now unless it's based off last night's polls. There's no statistically relevant data available from the field that would give any indication?

They're probably factoring the volumes of people placing bets on Remain vs Leave.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Some people are saying that the polling booths want us to use pencils so they can 'rub our votes out'. Seems to be mainly Brexiters saying it, like there's some sort of conspiracy to fix it in favour of Remain. Last I checked we've always used pencils.

Kippers have always cried electoral fraud - I think the only person who does it more frequently is Donald Trump - so I suppose this isn't really surprising.

 

[SuperSah]

Hm.

Kind of having a last minute change of mind and may vote remain.

:/

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

#teambrexit, let's make it happen!

Meh, I don't really care either way. I'm not voting and will be leaving the UK in 10 years time for warmer / greener pastures. Piecemeal change does nothing for me.

 

[Carl]

They're probably factoring the volumes of people placing bets on Remain vs Leave.

Yeah, doesn't really mean much in terms of what side will win. Hell, it could mean everyone is voting leave and betting on remain so they're happy either way

 

[PJV3]

Knowing how life works we will vote to stay, and the French will vote Le Pen and piss off.

 

[CCS]

Hm.

Kind of having a last minute change of mind and may vote remain.

:/

If you're not sure, vote remain. You can always vote for a Eurosceptic government to take us out later, a referendum isn't actually needed.

 

[Khoryos]

Well, I voted before work this morning - Alea iacta est!

Knowing how life works we will vote to stay, and the French will vote Le Pen and piss off.

Well, if the French leave we might be able to get some progress made on agreeing a single official language! It's an ill wind...

 

[Sordid]

I thought the SNP wanted to stay in europe?

Yup, as I say I don't get it. I'm guessing they think voting Leave will help us get another vote on independence but that's silly imo. If they really want another indy ref surely the best way would be for Scotland to overwhelmingly vote Remain and use that if Leave wins.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Hm.

Kind of having a last minute change of mind and may vote remain.

:/

I strongly encourage you to consider voting Remain, as I genuinely do believe it is in the best interests of everyone - particularly the most vulnerable in society.

But do what you feel is right.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Kippers have always cried electoral fraud - I think the only person who does it more frequently is Donald Trump - so I suppose this isn't really surprising.

lol

#rememberthurrock

 

[Hasney]

Pound has hit a high against USD for the day and rising still, that's a good sign.

 

[phisheep]

Intrigued by the fact that UKIP stops short of -100%. Isn't that the fundamental point of UKIP?

I read somewhere that there actually is a "UKIP Vote Remain" group. Can't find it now amid all the referendum dross, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Ashes]

Voted Remain. Might as well fill the time with a little bit about the place I voted in.

Tower Hamlets has pretty much every supposed immigration issue on our doorstep. Wiki says the borough has a population of 272,890,[2] which includes one of the highest ethnic minorities in the country; that being the Bangladeshi community. 32% Bengali. 31% white British. 12.4% other white aka nearly always European. We also have Indians, Chinese, various black communities etc.
Now population trends, we're trending up. But there's lots of flats going up everywhere - no really there's at least 10 buildings going up near me. And that's within 5 mins walk.
Back in 1941, we had 337,000. But obviously war.. ;/ anyway go back to 1901, we were at 578,000. No sky scrapers and lots of poverty.

As to the community changing, Brick Lane is a good example. From the French Huguenots in the 17th century, Irish in the 19th, to the Jewish well into the 20th century, Brick lane has been a haven for immigrants, who literally came over on boats, from the docks nearby. In the age of the 747, it became a Bangladeshi community. And now Shoreditch being on the doorstep, and the relatively cheap housing, next to the city, Brick Lane seems to be getting gentrified.

As to economics, we're one of the poorest boroughs in the country. But we have Canary wharf, which houses European headquarters to some global companies, and several world headquarters,including I think Reuters.
City of London is also on our doorstep.
Canary wharf regeneration ended a period of decline of work based at the docks, that goes back to a period just after the war. Where large parts of the borough was blown up in the blitz.

Right now we have the second highest rate of unemployment in London, and the secondhighest proportion of children in poverty of any local authority in the UK at 49%. And you know those buildings I said that were being built, well they're 700 luxury flats. 23,000 people on waiting lists borough wide, and the permission was given to make flats for the super rich.

Hopefully that passed somebody's time.

 

[milanbaros]

Thought I would do a sort of hourly update on what the markets (FTSE, Sterling and Betfair) are doing, and whether it suggests one side is pulling ahead.

At at 0921:

FTSE 100 - 6,291 (up 0.5%)
£ - USD 1.477
Betfair - 1.28 (or 78% probability of remain)

I will update later to see where the market is moving. So far the market seems confident in a remain win.

An hour later and everything has moved in favour of remain. As at 1020 the markets are the following:

FTSE100 - 6,323 (up 1.0%)
£ - USD 1.482
Betfair - 1.19 (84% remain)

 

[phisheep]

Kippers have always cried electoral fraud - I think the only person who does it more frequently is Donald Trump - so I suppose this isn't really surprising.

You are confusing Donald Trump with Bernie Sanders, which shouldn't be an easy mistake to make.

 

[CCS]

Vital last minuted endorsement for the Remain campaign, as my dog wagged his tail harder when asked if we should Remain rather than Leave.

 

[Cub3h]

I am slightly heartened by the surging pound and odd swings, and have seen one undecided on my Facebook break for Remain. I'll take what I can get at the moment to keep sane.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Chancery Lane is awash with I'm In campaigners. Seems an odd choice considering most will be looking remainers but whatever...

 

[affleck1981]

So, had this conversation with a Year 9 student this morning - I'm Scottish:

'Sir, do you get a vote in the Eu Referendum?'

'Yes, why wouldn't I?'

'Well, you're an immigrant sir.'

'No, I'm not, Scotland and England are part of the same country.'

'Really? Since when?'

'Acts of Union, 1707 - it's been a while.'

I feel we might have failed this student if he doesn't yet realise that Scotland and England are part of the same country...

 

[KingSnake]

The experts were wrong last time, they could be again.

This is genius political marketing from the Leave campaign. The trashing of people who have knowledge and expertise by mentioning "experts" in a dismissive way over and over again has served them greatly.

Sure it's damaging in a long run because any truth can be dismissed in this way, but who cares, right?

 

[danowat]

Chancery Lane is awash with I'm In campaigners. Seems an odd choice considering most will be looking remainers but whatever...

Are they allowed to campaign on polling day?

 

[CCS]

An hour later and everything has moved in favour of remain. As at 1020 the markets are the following:

FTSE100 - 6,323 (up 1.0%)
£ - USD 1.482
Betfair - 1.19 (84% remain)

Top work, thank you

 

[Par Score]

Kippers have always cried electoral fraud - I think the only person who does it more frequently is Donald Trump - so I suppose this isn't really surprising.

I think the Bernie Bros have everyone beat on this.

Edit: Yep, huge swing on the markets pointing towards Remain.

 

[SuperSah]

Voted Remain. Might as well fill the time with a little bit about the place I voted in.

Tower Hamlets has pretty much every supposed immigration issue on our doorstep. Wiki says the borough has a population of 272,890,[2] which includes one of the highest ethnic minorities in the country; that being the Bangladeshi community. 32% Bengali. 31% white British. 12.4% other white aka nearly always European. We also have Indians, Chinese, various black communities etc.
Now population trends, we're trending up. But there's lots of flats going up everywhere - no really there's at least 10 buildings going up near me. And that's within 5 mins walk.
Back in 1941, we had 337,000. But obviously war.. ;/ anyway go back to 1901, we were at 578,000. No sky scrapers and lots of poverty.

As to the community changing, Brick Lane is a good example. From the French Huguenots in the 17th century, Irish in the 19th, to the Jewish well into the 20th century, Brick lane has been a haven for immigrants, who literally came over on boats, from the docks nearby. In the age of the 747, it became a Bangladeshi community. And now Shoreditch being on the doorstep, and the relatively cheap housing, next to the city, Brick Lane seems to be getting gentrified.

As to economics, we're one of the poorest boroughs in the country. But we have Canary wharf, which houses European headquarters to some global companies, and several world headquarters,including I think Reuters.
City of London is also on our doorstep.
Canary wharf regeneration ended a period of decline of work based at the docks, that goes back to a period just after the war. Where large parts of the borough was blown up in the blitz.

Right now we have the second highest rate of unemployment in London, and the secondhighest proportion of children in poverty of any local authority in the UK at 49%. And you know those buildings I said that were being built, well they're 700 luxury flats. 23,000 people on waiting lists borough wide, and the permission was given to make flats for the super rich.

Hopefully that passed somebody's time.

I moved to that area two years ago and fully see where you are coming from. Nice and well rounded post.

I strongly encourage you to consider voting Remain, as I genuinely do believe it is in the best interests of everyone - particularly the most vulnerable in society.

But do what you feel is right.

If you're not sure, vote remain. You can always vote for a Eurosceptic government to take us out later, a referendum isn't actually needed.

I think I'm voting remain.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Phisheep, do you have any update on that neighbour with a disability who you feared was going to be forced to vote against her will?

#teambrexit, let's make it happen!

Meh, I don't really care either way. I'm not voting and will be leaving the UK in 10 years time for warmer / greener pastures. Piecemeal change does nothing for me.

Ten years is a long time, man.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Are they allowed to campaign on polling day?

People with I'm In t-shirts milling around and talking to people . Campaigners might not have been the right word to use.

 

[Jezbollah]

1 person 1 vote, but counts are given by....uh council area or something.

Nope. Its bizarre, but they're doing it by local, designated voting "areas".

Northern Ireland alone is one whole voting "area".

It's strange.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Voted Remain. Might as well fill the time with a little bit about the place I voted in.

Tower Hamlets has pretty much every supposed immigration issue on our doorstep. Wiki says the borough has a population of 272,890,[2] which includes one of the highest ethnic minorities in the country; that being the Bangladeshi community. 32% Bengali. 31% white British. 12.4% other white aka nearly always European. We also have Indians, Chinese, various black communities etc.
Now population trends, we're trending up. But there's lots of flats going up everywhere - no really there's at least 10 buildings going up near me. And that's within 5 mins walk.
Back in 1941, we had 337,000. But obviously war.. ;/ anyway go back to 1901, we were at 578,000. No sky scrapers and lots of poverty.

As to the community changing, Brick Lane is a good example. From the French Huguenots in the 17th century, Irish in the 19th, to the Jewish well into the 20th century, Brick lane has been a haven for immigrants, who literally came over on boats, from the docks nearby. In the age of the 747, it became a Bangladeshi community. And now Shoreditch being on the doorstep, and the relatively cheap housing, next to the city, Brick Lane seems to be getting gentrified.

As to economics, we're one of the poorest boroughs in the country. But we have Canary wharf, which houses European headquarters to some global companies, and several world headquarters,including I think Reuters.
City of London is also on our doorstep.
Canary wharf regeneration ended a period of decline of work based at the docks, that goes back to a period just after the war. Where large parts of the borough was blown up in the blitz.

Right now we have the second highest rate of unemployment in London, and the secondhighest proportion of children in poverty of any local authority in the UK at 49%. And you know those buildings I said that were being built, well they're 700 luxury flats. 23,000 people on waiting lists borough wide, and the permission was given to make flats for the super rich.

Hopefully that passed somebody's time.

I used to live just off Commercial Road, not far from Cable St actually. Those bloody Ripper tours...