Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?

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Moosichu said:
A) The campaign wasn't based around that though, it was based on Xenophobia
B) Leaving the EU gives the UK less say in what the EU does. The EU is also arguably a lot less beurocratic than Westminster, and has been responsible for a lot of successes.
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Ultimately what the two campaigns say isn't important, what matters is the actual outcome. Both campaigns were a shameful dumpster fire as far as I'm concerned, appealing to hysteria and emotion rather than actually bothering with the real systems at play :P
I agree that westminister is a mess, but I don't really see how adding yet another layer of stupid on top of it makes it any less stupid. It doesn't magically go away if we stay in the EU, all it means is we're also inviting whatever idiocy is over in brussels to pile on top of the issues our current governmental systems have :P I'd also argue that most of the 'successes' people lay at the feet of the EU have actually come from the UN, NATO and the WTO rather than the EU itself, but admittedly I'm not super up on this stuff so I'm more than ready to be proven wrong if someone more the wiser disagrees with me on that :3
 
LOL
Just been asked on tube by @BorisJohnson if I voted leave. I say no. He concedes He's lost anyway. Awkward #EUref
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https://twitter.com/lewisiwu/status/746076633644281856
 
Hazzuh said:
How well UKIP does in the next general election depends on when it is. If the conservative government collapses and there is an election in the next few months I could see them doing well since Labour and the Conservatives are both a clusterfuck right now.
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I doubt UKIP will go up that much, a lot of the Brexit folk will not be voting in the general election, they will crawl back to where they came from, it's clear from the pencilgate shenanigans they are new to voting.
 
Nils said:
If UKIP surges to something like 20% of the votes and still get screwed by the FPTP system, wouldn't that really fuck over the right in general?
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UKIP is draining support away from all the major parties but with Labour no longer existing in Scotland, the Tories can basically walk into Downing Street.
 
mangochutney said:
No exit polls commissioned by the broadcasters.

Private exit polls were by financial organisations in order to get the jump on people to make much monies.

There has however been a poll conducted that asked previously polled people how they actually did vote.
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Exit polls are about swing based on past results and in marginals. Don't really work in referendums. A new poll based on data gathered today seems likely though.
 
Stock markets have surged since Monday along with the pound and volatility diminished. Markets always know their shit. Remain camp will win.
 
Madchad said:
Well what ever happens tomorrow ill have my nice new copy of Uncharted 4 to play. Mwahahaha.
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I'm happy to report that - as I hoped earlier in the thread - my Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE has arrived safe and sound, and will be carrying through the post-vote blues/euphoria
 
Geminosity said:
Why? Perhaps you and I have a different perspective on this situation so I'm curious what your view is.

To me this is a vote whether we want to remain part of a bureaucratic structure, one that most people even on the remain side even seem to agree is a bit of a mess. By voting remain, for whatever actual reason, you're indirectly lending your support for the EU to trundle on as it is. By voting leave you're indirectly stating that you don't support the way the EU is run. Those might not be your direct motives, of course, but that's the message you're ultimately sending to those in charge of the EU and as such that's what I base my decision to vote 'leave' is grounded in, especially after some of the recent things the EU has been up to.
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I don't think voting 'in' means sending a message that the status quo is okay. Nobody in Europe thinks that, not even in Brussels.

Life is going okay for me so I don't feel the need to destroy everything just to draw attention to my own problems. As a result I can vote on principles. Personally I think the principles of the EU are sound, although the execution is often terrible. There always seems to be a tacit understanding by everyone in this country that EU federalism is a terrible idea, but I really don't see what the problem is with it. So I voted remain for my economic interests, and because I actually believe in the EU as a concept.

The reason this whole thing has made me ashamed to be British is due to the tone of the debate. And this isn't just about immigration; it's about the breakdown of trust in society. The political class are now so uniformly distrusted that people will literally vote leave just to spite David Cameron. And elites distrust the populace to such an extent that the messaging on this topic has degenerated to mindless soundbites and scaremongering on both sides. Everyone has a low opinion of everyone else. I think these attitudes, especially distrust of elected leaders, are the most toxic forces affecting our society today.
 
I don't trust any of these polls because the voting trend, demographic and socioeconomic breakdowns are polar opposites to what tou get in a general. The pollsters are also fond of tinkering way too much with their screens so the deltas seen are not apples to apples, Nate Silver was super critical of this.

I don't even necessarily subscribe to higher turnout being helpful to remain as a result.
 
QuicheFontaine said:
I could see that being true, sounds like something Boris would say: "Gave it my best shot".

He doesn't have any extra info really though. I mean, the polls are literally still open!
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It's true I think saw him on TV just going into polling station wearing same clothes, was late getting there and likely travelled by tube.
 
Roberto Larcos said:
Not really, they seem to steal more from Labour than they do from the Conservatives.
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It depends on what their voting % is.

Up to about 10%, Ukip are taking almost exclusively from the conservatives. After 10%, they start taking much more heavily from labour. It's still a majority tory at a 20% vote, but not by much.
 
Right fellas, what channel are you watching for tonights entertainment?

I usually default to Sky News but Channel 4 got good reviews last election..
 
Maledict said:
It depends on what their voting % is.

Up to about 10%, Ukip are taking almost exclusively from the conservatives. After 10%, they start taking much more heavily from labour. It's still a majority tory at a 20% vote, but not by much.
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That's really interesting, cheers for the insight.
 
Dan27 said:
Right fellas, what channel are you watching for tonights entertainment?

I usually default to Sky News but Channel 4 got good reviews last election..
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Your choices are BBC, ITV, Sky.

Nothing on 4 tonight although it did rate alright last time - but alas probably not worth it. Plus, they've got plenty of entertainment stuff from it tomorrow night.
 
Antialias said:
The reason this whole thing has made me ashamed to be British is due to the tone of the debate. And this isn't just about immigration; it's about the breakdown of trust in society. The political class are now so uniformly distrusted that people will literally vote leave just to spite David Cameron. And elites distrust the populace to such an extent that the messaging on this topic has degenerated to mindless soundbites and scaremongering on both sides. Everyone has a low opinion of everyone else. I think these attitudes, especially distrust of elected leaders, are the most toxic forces affecting our society today.
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You'd think it'd be set for a different kind of politician. But Corbyn has seemingly fluffed his lines.
 
pulsemyne said:
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Wow full on batshit!
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An IndyRef "Yes" tea tbh.

Our town had like... A revolutionary meeting after the referendum didn't pass, led by this woman who was still talking about it like the vote had not even happened and how the government had ignored "the people's will" (even though the people obviously voted No).
 
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