Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?

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Here we go lads.

The toughest vote for me in a long time.

Scottish Referendum was an easy "no" vote and remain in Blighty - Easy considering I am the rare breed known as a Scottish Tory.

This however I was quite conflicted. Decided to back Dave and voted remain.
 
How the façade is going?

I admire the ingenuity of anyone that really thought it was going to be "Leave". There would have never been a referendum if that was a real risk.
 
slider said:
Love the use of commas on that we the people bit. Thanks, Watford Leavers.
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This is basically 80% of Brexiters. The other 20% are quite normal people but that 80% are fucking insane with their pencil, voter deadline, leaflet and "I've never met someone who'll vote Remain" conspiracies.
 
nature boy said:
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Well GAF, I'm hitting the hay, good luck for those of you staying up to watch the results, hopefully it will be good news when I rise in the morning!

I feel a bit like a kid going to bed on Christmas Eve for some reason!!!
 
going to go to bed before any results start coming in
cannot be doing with my hope being brought up then duly crushed
 
slider said:
You'd think it'd be set for a different kind of politician. But Corbyn has seemingly fluffed his lines.
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I have a lot of sympathy for Corbyn but I think he's done a terrible job as leader and he is probably one of the reasons this vote is so close right now. Labour have been a nonentity during the referendum.
 
TwitchZeezbruh said:
so it was trending towords brexit before the assassination right? So that guy basically sabotaged it.
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There was one poll that had most of its fieldwork conducted before the Jo Cox was killed. That showed a movement towards Remain, so it's impossible to say/quantify its impact.
 
I heard that MI5 are so confident in fixing it that they've already pencilled in the celebrations for tomorrow morning.
 
70s Style Pimp said:
Here we go lads.

The toughest vote for me in a long time.

Scottish Referendum was an easy "no" vote and remain in Blighty - Easy considering I am the rare breed known as a Scottish Tory.

This however I was quite conflicted. Decided to back Dave and voted remain.
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Not to being this up again but an 'esay no' it was 5% A LOT closer than the I would say was 'easy'. If it is another 5% I still think that's close even with more voters.
 
Twitter is a minefield tonight. It's so fucking hard to tell the difference between genuine tin foil hat right wing conspiracy nuts and the satirical tweets that have followed in their wake. It's not even that the satire is that good, it's just that reality is that shit.
 
Antialias said:
I don't think voting 'in' means sending a message that the status quo is okay. Nobody in Europe thinks that, not even in Brussels.

Life is going okay for me so I don't feel the need to destroy everything just to draw attention to my own problems. As a result I can vote on principles. Personally I think the principles of the EU are sound, although the execution is often terrible. There always seems to be a tacit understanding by everyone in this country that EU federalism is a terrible idea, but I really don't see what the problem is with it. So I voted remain for my economic interests, and because I actually believe in the EU as a concept.

The reason this whole thing has made me ashamed to be British is due to the tone of the debate. And this isn't just about immigration; it's about the breakdown of trust in society. The political class are now so uniformly distrusted that people will literally vote leave just to spite David Cameron. And elites distrust the populace to such an extent that the messaging on this topic has degenerated to mindless soundbites and scaremongering on both sides. Everyone has a low opinion of everyone else. I think these attitudes, especially distrust of elected leaders, are the most toxic forces affecting our society today.
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Sadly, I'd argue the tone isn't really anything specific to britain. I'm sure you'll see eerily similar stuff in the 'Dexit', 'Chzexit', 'Frexit' and so on. My flat has a few rooms that tend to get people staying in them for a short while, often from abroad and whenever conversations turn to politics I find what they tell me about where they're from really isn't all that different from the horrendous mess over here :P

I think I mentioned it earlier in the thread but I'm genuinely baffled why immigration even came into the whole referendum conversation. I understand that it's a hot topic but ultimately it has very little to do with being part of the European Union or not as that only affects the movement of people within the EU which is a very small percentage of british immigration overall, and ultimately leaving and then making trade deals with europe would actually be more likely to give the UK LESS control over that aspect due to the necessity of free movement that comes with making any EU trade deals.

As for the EU itself, not only is a kind of mangled mess of bureacracy but their recent laws regarding restricting speech are worrying. I doubt many people realise that they're moving to make it punishable to even criticise or joke about other people's beliefs or other such things. To me, the comedian who got arrested for making fun of the turkish leader Ergodan is just the first of a few signs of where the EU is intending to go... I sometimes to joke to friends that within the next few years they'll probably rebrand the EU to 'Eurasia' and create a ministry of truth. Of course, I'm not paranoid enough to mean that seriously but I see things happening in there that definitely worry me.

I'm all for 'a' European union and global unity in general, but I can't really abide by the current EU if it continues down the path it's hinting at.
 
Refs generally show a decent swing towards the status quo in the last week. People on the fence usually choose the safer option.
 
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