Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?

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Shetland Islands, #EUref result:
Remain: 56.5% (6,907)
Leave: 43.5% (5,315)

South Tyneside, #EUref result:
Remain: 38.0% (30,014)
Leave: 62.0% (49,065)
 
Lashley said:
yep :( I'm a carer too, hoping we don't leave
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As a carer things have already become so fucking bad for people with disabilities (especially mental) that it's hard to imagine things getting even worse. I get that a lot of the people here are happy to see a large portion of the working class fuck themselves over with their own xenophobic ignorance as they did at the general election but people have to take into account that it's the most vulnerable who are going to suffer most here.
 
StalkerUKCG said:
I've seen this and I'm not voting leave. I'm not stupid enough to assume they are hiding bombs under their veils and plotting my downfall in foreign tongues while grabbing some apples from the fruit isle in tesco. Those who are are likely motivated by xenophobic or racist beliefs
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I don't think that's what they're worried about. I think they're making connections between immigration and the social problems in lower class areas, not that they're hiding bombs or plotting downfalls.

When the tabloids are constantly hammering headlines about immigrants from Turkey or wherever - the immigrants populations of lower class areas is rising, but these places are also going to shit with drugs and crime and lack of investment (real investment, not new flowerbeds). They're just making connections with the information they have.

I don't agree with them, and I didn't vote leave - but I can empathise with where some of their concerns are coming from and for most people I think it's just uncertainty and fears not balls-out racism for racism sake. Misguided yes, but not evil or hateful for the most part.
 
Mrbob said:
This host is pretty amazing on BBC. You never see hosts on USA news channels grill politicians like this.
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That's rather par for the course from what I've seen. The BBC News is in my estimation even better than NPR. I wish we had a government-mandated, politics-neutral news network like it in America.

Back on-topic, the results so far are more worrisome than I expected. Hold the door, Britain.
 
Red Liquorice said:
I'm finding some of the panicked reactions in this thread quite amusing to read. Could it be this is the first time a slice of the young, University-educated GAFers in decent white collar jobs are seeing what the lower class really thinks?

It's easy to call people racist or xenophobic, but your opinion might change if you lived in an area that over the past couple of decades has gone from just mixed working class to seeing women every day in the full veil and hearing any language but English spoken in your local supermarket, plus jobs decimated and local community areas reduced to a string of betting shops. I think these people have real concerns, confusion and fears that aren't being addressed - they're making connections between what's happening on the news and to the economy and what they see in their daily lives. It's shit-heads like Farage, the Daily Mail etc who swoop in and exploit those concerns for their own agendas.

Do you blame the "plebs" for voting leave, or do you blame the government for willfully neglecting the people at the ever-growing bottom of society and the tabloid rags for taking advantage of their insecurities.
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Yes. We are young, intellectual and have good jobs, that's our downfall. Maybe your downfall is assuming we all conveniently fit into your little cliche.

I blame the, as you call them, plebs for consistently voting against their interests, yes. They vote Tory, get fucked and then blame immigrants with language that is at best borderline racist. After all, if it walks and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.
 
Nothing1016 said:
Haven't been paying attention but why do people in the UK want to leave the EU and what are the consequences? Any pros?
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Zero pros at all, and it will bite them in the arse big time if we leave. The EU has a whiff of FIFA about it to some, and a lot of people don't feel like they're are apart of it anyway, so they're easy to blame for problems here and it is easy to vote leave without really thinking if the consequences.

It's alright saying that they're uneducated and everything but the last 2 or 3 governments haven't exactly done much to change that.

I voted to remain, but I can certainly empathise with people who want to leave.
 
Madchad said:
Oh god here we go Alex fucking Salmond
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Red Liquorice said:
I'm finding some of the panicked reactions in this thread quite amusing to read. Could it be this is the first time a slice of the young, University-educated GAFers in decent white collar jobs are seeing what the lower class really thinks?

It's easy to call people racist or xenophobic, but your opinion might change if you lived in an area that over the past couple of decades has gone from just mixed working class to seeing women every day in the full veil and hearing any language but English spoken in your local supermarket, plus jobs decimated and local community areas reduced to a string of betting shops. I think these people have real concerns, confusion and fears that aren't being addressed - they're making connections between what's happening on the news and to the economy and what they see in their daily lives. It's shit-heads like Farage, the Daily Mail etc who swoop in and exploit those concerns for their own agendas.

Do you blame the "plebs" for voting leave, or do you blame the government for willfully neglecting the people at the ever-growing bottom of society and the tabloid rags for taking advantage of their insecurities.
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But the reasoning you've posted here is purely racist and xenophobic.
 
jellies_two said:
That is true and its rather odd seeing Australia, USA and so on urging UK to stay and work it out when they would no more join a block of local countries. and open their borders and markets, than fucking fly. Imagine Australia joining ASEAN in a way that allowed free travel and common currency and so on. bwahaha they wouldn't even trust NZ.
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America IS a block of local countries with open borders and markets.

We liked it so much we fought a war over Confexit.
 
Red Liquorice said:
It's easy to call people racist or xenophobic, but your opinion might change if you lived in an area that over the past couple of decades has gone from just mixed working class to seeing women every day in the full veil and hearing any language but English spoken in your local supermarket, plus jobs decimated and local community areas reduced to a string of betting shops. I think these people have real concerns, confusion and fears that aren't being addressed - they're making connections between what's happening on the news and to the economy and what they see in their daily lives.
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This is true the same way that people who are against same-sex marriage or racial integration or the people who whooped and hollared at Enoch Powell 40 years ago are all responding to very real anxiety about the changing world. The classic divide between urban-rural or cosmopolitan-provincial. I agree that it's impossible to discard the role fear plays in governing these peoples' daily existence, but the response to that is not to mollycoddle the fearful at the expense of whatever outgroup is currently being scapegoated as they lead their daily life. It's all well and good to say "What about the men who suddenly sees women in a full veil", but he's suffering a far lesser offence than the woman wearing the veil who gets leered at, yelled at, or worse--used as an example of the evil forces conspiring to destroy the nation. The specifics of integration issues vary across time and space, but the core is the same: I would absolutely always want to take the side of kindness and fraternity than the side of fearfulness and bunkering. it's the same in every country. In America it's worries about taquerias and fruit guys speaking spanish and playing footie, in England it's people named Muhammed. I know of course that these people are not cartoonish racist fascists, they're simply isolated and fearful of a changing world.

The government can be blamed for its failure to provide for the economic prosperity and quality of life of the working poor, of course, but not for ignoring the racist calls to Make England English Again. Even if it causes tension and anxiety in the mean time, we need to encourage a spirit of cosmopolitan brotherhood.

I mean, the language stuff is a perfect point. Yes, there are many people who get anxious and angry when they hear people speaking non-English languages. And? A man walking down the road should be able to speak English. Or French. Or Spanish. Or Farsi. Or !Kung! Or even terrorist languages like Arabic or Mohammed. Stripping their dignity by saying they are somehow less human--or less a part of England--or less in any way because of that difference is giving into fear.

I think your post is telling because it dispenses with the pseudo-economic arguments and makes this what it really is: a referendum about how comfortable one is with the strange and foreign ways the country is changing. Glad we're no longer pretending.
 
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