Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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SymbiantXenos
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Salmond is still a smug prat.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Shetland Islands, #EUref result:
Remain: 56.5% (6,907)
Leave: 43.5% (5,315)
South Tyneside, #EUref result:
Remain: 38.0% (30,014)
Leave: 62.0% (49,065)
Remain: 56.5% (6,907)
Leave: 43.5% (5,315)
South Tyneside, #EUref result:
Remain: 38.0% (30,014)
Leave: 62.0% (49,065)
Yeah, I wasn't saying I agree. But there are a LOT of motives going into people voting leave.
If it comes down to you guys saving us I'm gonna go buy all the Irn Bru I can.
Pankratous
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My #REMAIN vote is now counted with West Dunbartonshire!
The motive in this case, really doesn't match the conclusion though. :/
Spirit of Jazz
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yepI'm a carer too, hoping we don't leave
As a carer things have already become so fucking bad for people with disabilities (especially mental) that it's hard to imagine things getting even worse. I get that a lot of the people here are happy to see a large portion of the working class fuck themselves over with their own xenophobic ignorance as they did at the general election but people have to take into account that it's the most vulnerable who are going to suffer most here.
Audioboxer
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Salmond is awesome, just for how much the English pundits hate him with a passion.
Red Liquorice
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I don't think that's what they're worried about. I think they're making connections between immigration and the social problems in lower class areas, not that they're hiding bombs or plotting downfalls.
When the tabloids are constantly hammering headlines about immigrants from Turkey or wherever - the immigrants populations of lower class areas is rising, but these places are also going to shit with drugs and crime and lack of investment (real investment, not new flowerbeds). They're just making connections with the information they have.
I don't agree with them, and I didn't vote leave - but I can empathise with where some of their concerns are coming from and for most people I think it's just uncertainty and fears not balls-out racism for racism sake. Misguided yes, but not evil or hateful for the most part.
eyeball_kid
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That's rather par for the course from what I've seen. The BBC News is in my estimation even better than NPR. I wish we had a government-mandated, politics-neutral news network like it in America.
Back on-topic, the results so far are more worrisome than I expected. Hold the door, Britain.
iceatcs
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Fishing industry I bet.
AHA-Lambda
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I'm Scottish and I can't stand him
ReplacementPelican
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Yes. We are young, intellectual and have good jobs, that's our downfall. Maybe your downfall is assuming we all conveniently fit into your little cliche.
I blame the, as you call them, plebs for consistently voting against their interests, yes. They vote Tory, get fucked and then blame immigrants with language that is at best borderline racist. After all, if it walks and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.
StalkerUKCG
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I'm interested in Hartlepool's results. I've found a even mix in the people I spoke with. The bigger crime is many seemed entirely uninformed.
The Incarnation
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Zero pros at all, and it will bite them in the arse big time if we leave. The EU has a whiff of FIFA about it to some, and a lot of people don't feel like they're are apart of it anyway, so they're easy to blame for problems here and it is easy to vote leave without really thinking if the consequences.
It's alright saying that they're uneducated and everything but the last 2 or 3 governments haven't exactly done much to change that.
I voted to remain, but I can certainly empathise with people who want to leave.
MassiveNights
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But the reasoning you've posted here is purely racist and xenophobic.
America IS a block of local countries with open borders and markets.
We liked it so much we fought a war over Confexit.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
78% turnout here in #Eastleigh #EUref https://twitter.com/JAMorrison42/status/746135390466211840
Fair enough, apologies.
Pankratous
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s_mirage
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Or London, Scotland, and NI vs England. I worry that that could be disastrous for the future of the UK if leave wins.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
This is true the same way that people who are against same-sex marriage or racial integration or the people who whooped and hollared at Enoch Powell 40 years ago are all responding to very real anxiety about the changing world. The classic divide between urban-rural or cosmopolitan-provincial. I agree that it's impossible to discard the role fear plays in governing these peoples' daily existence, but the response to that is not to mollycoddle the fearful at the expense of whatever outgroup is currently being scapegoated as they lead their daily life. It's all well and good to say "What about the men who suddenly sees women in a full veil", but he's suffering a far lesser offence than the woman wearing the veil who gets leered at, yelled at, or worse--used as an example of the evil forces conspiring to destroy the nation. The specifics of integration issues vary across time and space, but the core is the same: I would absolutely always want to take the side of kindness and fraternity than the side of fearfulness and bunkering. it's the same in every country. In America it's worries about taquerias and fruit guys speaking spanish and playing footie, in England it's people named Muhammed. I know of course that these people are not cartoonish racist fascists, they're simply isolated and fearful of a changing world.
The government can be blamed for its failure to provide for the economic prosperity and quality of life of the working poor, of course, but not for ignoring the racist calls to Make England English Again. Even if it causes tension and anxiety in the mean time, we need to encourage a spirit of cosmopolitan brotherhood.
I mean, the language stuff is a perfect point. Yes, there are many people who get anxious and angry when they hear people speaking non-English languages. And? A man walking down the road should be able to speak English. Or French. Or Spanish. Or Farsi. Or !Kung! Or even terrorist languages like Arabic or Mohammed. Stripping their dignity by saying they are somehow less human--or less a part of England--or less in any way because of that difference is giving into fear.
I think your post is telling because it dispenses with the pseudo-economic arguments and makes this what it really is: a referendum about how comfortable one is with the strange and foreign ways the country is changing. Glad we're no longer pretending.
Audioboxer
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Yeah I know folk up here hate him, but I find the English media hyper insanity around the SNP/ref chat to be the best political drama and hilarity.
As for me, he's smug, but he says good shit.
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Ravensmash
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Dimbelby is awesome.
As someone hoping to leave
Such compassion and kindness towards the working class from the Remain camp. Who could imagine why they might vote the other way?
Yeah, tell me about it. He may be wrong on certain things but he does have a lot of passion. He would be great labour leader
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Better an orc than those hobbits in that bed scene at the end of RotK.
Come on Mr. Frodo. Share the load.
Of course Like I said, I don't agree at all. But people are frustrated and through frustration comes irrational actions.
Mr. Luchador
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They want to return to Norway.
TheLaughingStock
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The world economy is already fucked. Quite a few countries have suffered a lost decade and others are facing forecasts that project they'll be trash and in turmoil well into the 2020s.
EdibleExplosives
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Garrett Hawke
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Same
Yup, I'm in the Lakes. Not sure what I'm expecting from Copeland but there have been a tonne of Leave posters around, for whatever that's worth.
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