Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)

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ferrasvansen

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Tron#1 said:
Where do they find these black people to talk on fox news just so horrible... but yet predictable what stance they take.
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Yeah watching it here in UK, turned it off utterly disgusting anti Obama, Clinton, pro Trump bullshit. How on earth do they get away with such lies, that's half the problem, dishonest media just alienating more people.... sigh.

RIP to all the victims, sad that some sick bastards use a peaceful demonstration with both police and the public to launch this awful crime...
 
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StopMakingSense

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7DollarHagane said:
If it is retaliation it's not only reckless and barbaric, it's totally misplaced and uninformed. These local officers seemed to have good relations with the protestors and supported their message.
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I had posted a link earlier, but the Dallas PD had made huge strides in emphasizing deescalation of situations in their training, and had a very sharp decline in excessive force incidents over the past few years. They were one of the departments trying to make substantial change to how policing was done.
 
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ferrasvansen said:
Yeah watching it here in UK, turned it off utterly disgusting anti Obama, Clinton, pro Trump bullshit. How on earth do they get away with such lies, that's half the problem, dishonest media just alienating more people.... sigh.

RIP to all the victims, sad that some sick bastards use a peaceful demonstration with both police and the public to launch this awful crime...
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They're getting paid. You know how the almighty $$$ ruins everything.
 
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Cappa said:
If that's true it's front page on
liveleak.com
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you don't have to spoiler your link. In fact, don't, because A) On a desktop, that's pointless. he link color shows right in front of the spoiler, and B) On mobile, it makes it a pain in the ass to access the link in the first place. I have to quote you, copy the link, then paste it, because chrome on android treats clicking the link like toggling the spoiler view.

and C) because nobody is going to be triggered by the text, "liveleak."
 
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Krejlooc said:
you don't have to spoiler your link. In fact, don't, because A) On a desktop, that's pointless. he link color shows right in front of the spoiler, and B) On mobile, it makes it a pain in the ass to access the link in the first place. I have to quote you, copy the link, then paste it, because chrome on android treats clicking the link like toggling the spoiler view.

and C) because nobody is going to be triggered by the next, "liveleak."
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Im sorry for ruining your day.
 
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StopMakingSense said:
I had posted a link earlier, but the Dallas PD had made huge strides in emphasizing deescalation of situations in their training, and had a very sharp decline in excessive force incidents over the past few years. They were one of the departments trying to make substantial change to how policing was done.
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Lots of departments have made strides, in fact. It's a fixable problem - there's been a lot of evolution in how policing works over the decades. The problem is that as a result of the crack epidemic in the 90s there was a lot of militarization of police and that only got worse after 9/11. But a lot of the things you're seeing - the bad shootings, inability to deescalate - do in fact come down to training and policy and hiring practices.

You can't snap your fingers and cure racism or ensure that never again will an unqualified, nervous person wind up in a blue uniform. But you can absolutely improve the situation - greatly improve it - and there are plenty of success stories out there.
 
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I hope we get some new info soon. They're talking as if this was unrelated to the police shootings over the last few days. If this isn't connected, then this would be the biggest coincidence in history.

EDIT: Obama speaking (from Warsaw, Poland)
 
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MisterFalcon said:
Radical white militias have been known to open fire at the cops when they enter their houses but have they ever gone out and carry out an attack as these ? This fits the pattern of an ISIS attack far better or some cartel. An awful lot of people really want this to be a militia it seems.
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I'd guess that it is more likely to be a well-trained small anti-government militia, perhaps inspired by Timothy McVeigh or similar. He went on record as saying he would have preferred to carry out similar attacks if he had read 'Unintended Consequences' before carrying out the OKC bombing.
 
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StayDead

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Oh man this is awful.

Why shoot at police protesting against violence? It makes no sense. This is nothing but senseless violence. It solves nothing, it only makes things worse :(
 
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Ravensmash

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Switched over to Fox News...

First thing I saw was them asking someone if Obama's (very brief) statement was forceful enough.

Said guest is now saying Obama never seems to know the facts and is constantly blaming culture etc.

What the heck.
 
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Diffense

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I felt bad after the Sandy Hook shooting.
I felt bad after the Charleston Church shooting.
I felt bad after the Orlando massacre.
I felt bad after bombings half the world away in Turkey.
I felt bad when a man still in his seatbelt was executed before girlfriend and child.

Yet I have been following this thread for news and I must admit I've experienced a surprising lack of empathy here. Even I did not expect this. I don't really feel for the deceased officers at all. I can only muster a bit of empathy if I think of the children left without a parent. However, this has been a revelation to me: how can some people be utterly unmoved by the dead bodies of POC?

I had to feel it to know it. Especially if you're not white, you'll probably experience some degree of discomfort, even fear, when detained by the police. Can you truly mourn the death of that which has the potential to make you uneasy, uncomfortable, or in fear for your life? Now I understand all perspectives. I get why so many people DGAF when others talk about unwarranted killings of minorities by police. That's just one more dangerous "thug" off the street never to return. Their actual personhood does not matter, just what they represent archetypically to the beholder: an object of fear...gone. Is that an occasion for mourning or a stimulus to agitate for reform?

With these thoughts it basically just dawned on me how deep the problems are and why it's so hard to get collective momentum towards the changes that would make for a more peaceful society. But that'll take another paragraph and I'm tired.
 
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Ensirius

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This is so ridiculous.
I just can't wrap my head around what the fuck is going on anymore.
This is only going to make things worse.
 
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Ravensmash said:
Switched over to Fox News...

First thing I saw was them asking someone if Obama's (very brief) statement was forceful enough.

Said guest is now saying Obama never seems to know the facts and is constantly blaming culture etc.

What the heck.
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They are so culpable in what is happening in America today. Them and vast swathes of the media. And like many of these problems, it seems so intractable, so unfixable.
 
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Diffense said:
I felt bad after the Sandy Hook shooting.
I felt bad after the Charleston Church shooting.
I felt bad after the Orlando massacre.
I felt bad after bombings half the world away in Turkey.
I felt bad when a man still in his seatbelt was executed before girlfriend and child.

Yet I have been following this thread for news and I must admit I've experienced a surprising lack of empathy here. Even I did not expect this. I don't really feel for the deceased officers at all. I can only muster a bit of empathy if I think of the children left without a parent. However, this has been a revelation to me: how can some people be utterly unmoved by the dead bodies of POC?

I had to feel it to know it. Especially if you're not white, you'll probably experience some degree of discomfort, even fear, when detained by the police. Can you truly mourn the death of that which has the potential to make you uneasy, uncomfortable, or in fear for your life? Now I understand all perspectives. I get why so many people DGAF when others talk about unwarranted killings of minorities by police. That's just one more dangerous "thug" off the street never to return. Their actual personhood does not matter, just what they represent archetypically to the beholder: an object of fear...gone. Is that an occasion for mourning or a stimulus to agitate for reform?

With these thoughts it basically just dawned on me how deep the problems are and why it's so hard to get collective momentum towards the changes that would make for a more peaceful society. But that'll take another paragraph and I'm tired.
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I hope I'm understanding your post, but you're basically saying how the lack of remorse or reaction is due to an us vs. them mentality, and you're absolutely right. The human element is something we'll never get rid of. We can't abandon our emotions, and we are all extremely different. This has always been a thing, but I have had several long conversations with my close friends about how this world is not like anything we've seen before. Everything is transparent, news travels in 1 second instead of overnight, almost everyone has a camera, young people have so many tools at their hands that they feel louder than any previous generation. This world is going to continue to grow in contrast because it's getting more advanced, deadlier, and self-righteous.

The thing that so many people want to ignore is the actual value of the lives lost, instead replacing them with numbers, statistics, and talking points.

Stop choosing one side or another, realize the truth lies in the middle, and begin to embrace each other. Otherwise there won't be any end.
 
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In a world where the White House has 750k subs and youtubers who play video games and scam their fans have many millions. Where murder is immediately assigned a race and/or agenda before the killers are even identified.... How far we've fallen.
 
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Bossun

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Sadly even if this is unrelated to this week previous events, or even if it's as a vengeance from someone having enough, this shit is gonna get associated with the black protest in Dallas and black people in general by racists and people with an agenda.

It's the point I wonder if anything will ever be done for guns in your country, America. The rate of mass shooting and senseless gun related death is just astonishing from an outside perspective.
 
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CountAntonius

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Diffense said:
With these thoughts it basically just dawned on me how deep the problems are and why it's so hard to get collective momentum towards the changes that would make for a more peaceful society. But that'll take another paragraph and I'm tired.
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Yes. It's a very deep and dark realization. Most people simply don't care enough about something that doesn't effect them directly. To most people the death of another person at the hands of an officer or the death of 5 police is just another news story that at most they will share an opinion or offer condolences via social media but it will be forgotten before long.
 
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wesleyshark said:
Violence in retaliation is never the answer. Fuck. The back and forth helps no one.
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What back and forth or retaliation? We don't even know who the suspects are or their motivations.
 
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As a Brit I've just woken up to this. Jesus Christ. RIP to the officers who died, and I hope those that are injured pull through.

First thing I thought of though, was whether the shooters were black or not. Not because it matters, not because I'm expecting it to be one race or another, but because the powder keg doesn't need lighting like this.

It shouldn't matter who the shooters were, but the reality is, it does. Whatever the reasonings behind this, whoever the gunmen were, I can't see this doing anything but exacerbate the already tense situation you've got going on over there.
 
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Mr. X

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Everyone wanting to think it is a retaliation attack immediately. It is kind of gross how so many wants this or expects this to be a black shooter.
 
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helloresolven said:
CNN's headline of "worst attack on police since 9/11" makes it seem like 9/11 was specifically an attack against police officers.
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Seems like they're finding more and more imaginative metrics by which to measure tragedies in their headlines. Sickeningly, I think they believe 5 deaths is not an eye grabbing enough headline so they use something else.
 
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KZXcellent

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As someone who lives 30 minutes away from Dallas this is a terrifying thing. Having it happen so close to where you live really puts things in perspective. The fact that these shootings keep happening at what feels like a constant rate now in the US is something I don't like thinking about.
 
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Everything's going to get worse.

US media was already distinctly rabid, now this is going to seen as carte blanche to do away with the dog whistle. In a country where a black politician saying he had to give his son "the talk" resulted in police unions going nuts and cops literally turning their back on him, any attempt to reform police or point out the discrepancy between the media coverage of dead police vs dead black people killed by police is going to be instantly leapt on with "YOU SICK FUCK, YOU'RE SIDING WITH THE GUNMEN. YOU HATE POLICE, YOU MAY AS WELL PISS ON THEIR GRAVES". No politician is going to want to be even seen as criticising the police.
 
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Rich!

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Krejlooc said:
Yes, all over the world. From Brexit to sniping police to the shit going down in syria, the entire world is fucked up right now.
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I don't see any of the shit happening in America this week happening in the UK. Ever.

Brexit hasn't got anyone killed or gunned down en masse, neither are our police shooting innocent civilians without recourse (what like, 5 recorded incidents here in the past twenty years?!)
 
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