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[Mega]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

Yeah, they should have non-lethally shot the gun out of his hand and then non-lethally shot him in the legs so he can't run, avoiding all arteries of course, followed by giving him a cup of NyQuil to make sure he takes a nap before bringing him in.

Please stop with these fantasies that you have in your head about easy, simple nonlethal incapacitation.

 

[wesleyshark]

Dude was killing cops, and wanted to continue killing cops. He said he planted explosives. Why the fuck would they want try and stun him and put themselves in more danger. Blow the murderous, racist, prick sky high for all I care.

SWAT team did what they thought was necessary, clearly. And it worked perfectly.

Amen.

 

[Mahonay]

Video of Paul Ryan's statement.

Calling the protesters respectful and decent was important for him to say coming from a Republican. Pretty good statement.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

You can't be serious.

 

[Chezzymann]

Video of Paul Ryan's statement.

Great speech

 

[SlackAdjuster]

Here are direct quotes regarding the motives...at the start of the police conference:

The suspect said he was upset about BLM. He said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people especially white officers. The suspect stated he will eventually-- that we will eventually find the IEDs.​

At the end of the conference:

He wanted to kill officers. And he expressed killing white people. He expressing killing white officers. He expressed anger for black lives matter​

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGoZANoPQKv

I'm still slightly confused. He was upset about BLM in what regard? Upset at them for something they said/did? Upset that he felt they didn't do enough or didn't do what he wanted them to do?

 

[wesleyshark]

Video of Paul Ryan's statement.

Good stuff

 

[Snkfanatic]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

What? No...not the same thing at all.

 

[many places]

Dude was killing cops, and wanted to continue killing cops. He said he planted explosives. Why the fuck would they want try and stun him and put themselves in more danger. Blow the murderous, racist, prick sky high for all I care.

SWAT team did what they thought was necessary, clearly. And it worked perfectly.

Well said.

 

[User1608]

Calling the protesters respectful and decent was important for him to say coming from a Republican. Pretty good statement.

It was very good and surprising honestly.

 

[Mahonay]

from what I recall the Boston bomber opened fire from the boat? or was that wrong?

OK I went back and read the details and yeah I'm an idiot. He was definitely shooting back when he was cornered in the boat.

 

[Palculator]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

Don't equate the murder of innocent people with the police using lethal force against a racist who just shot eleven of them, killing five, and then getting into a stand-off with police still shooting at them and shouting about the end being near and having placed multiple bombs in the city.

 

[Calamari41]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

Go back to playing videogames where you can sidestep bullets, shoot the guns out of people's hands, and respawn if you make too brash of a decision.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

Here you go: https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGoZANoPQKv

Cheers for the link.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Video of Paul Ryan's statement.

That was a really nice, level-headed statement

 

[johnny956]

If the L.A times is accurate and this guy didn't have a criminal record, that's going to be an eye-opener for many. What can you do to stop someone who doesn't have a criminal record?

 

[Gattsu25]

I'm still slightly confused. He was upset about BLM in what regard? Upset at them for something they said/did? Upset that he felt they didn't do enough or didn't do what he wanted them to do?

No context given whatsoever.

 

[cr0w]

Don't equate the murder of innocent people with the police using lethal force against a racist who just shot eleven of them, killing five, and then getting into a stand-off with police shouting about the end being near and having placed multiple bombs in the city.

^

The willingness to consider the shooter a victim of any sort here is unbelievable.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Dude was killing cops, and wanted to continue killing cops. He said he planted explosives. Why the fuck would they want try and stun him and put themselves in more danger. Blow the murderous, racist, prick sky high for all I care.

SWAT team did what they thought was necessary, clearly. And it worked perfectly.

Right on.

 

[reKon]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

No this is not the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining. Can you take a step back and analyze the situation that you're talking about.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

You need some life experience, pal, and some perspective

 

[DragonSworne]

Dude was killing cops, and wanted to continue killing cops. He said he planted explosives. Why the fuck would they want try and stun him and put themselves in more danger. Blow the murderous, racist, prick sky high for all I care.

SWAT team did what they thought was necessary, clearly. And it worked perfectly.

So kblowing up the guy who knows where he planted bombs is the safest and most appropriate approach?

You sound vindictive in the last sentence of your first paragraph. You shouldn't let emotion get in the way of doing what is right. Setting off a bomb is dangerous regardless of who does it.

 

[marrec]

It was very good and surprising honestly.

When Paul Ryan isn't towing the typical GOP line he's a pretty smart, well spoken, respectful dude.

It's too bad he's usually a typical GOP guy.

 

[TheFatOne]

Is there a press conference coming up soon?

 

[Seductivpancakes]

If the cops were out for blood, I doubt they would have caught 3 out of 4 of them alive or negotiate for over an hour.

 

[Amory]

Why the hell did they do that? Why not just bring the guy in cleanly? They could have used the same robot to stun him instead of killing him.

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

You're literally acting like you think this is a video game.

You come across as detached from reality.

 

[TheFuzz]

It genuinely terrifies me that there are people acting like the whole robot situation was excessive use of force. What the hell is wrong with people?

 

[Mahonay]

If the L.A times is accurate and this guy didn't have a criminal record, that's going to be an eye-opener for many. What can you do to stop someone who doesn't have a criminal record?

In my personal opinion, citizens should not be allowed to obtain the kind of weapon he had outside of very special circumstances. It's scarily easy to obtain very powerful firepower in America. Way more than any single person reasonably needs.

 

[warthog]

When you've got this guy who has been killing people and his intent is to kill more, even when the only thing that would be still working is his trigger finger, then your first priority is to make sure you stop him.

 

[Hip Hop]

If the L.A times is accurate and this guy didn't have a criminal record, that's going to be an eye-opener for many. What can you do to stop someone who doesn't have a criminal record?

If relations were much better in this country, this wouldn't have happened.

That to me is the real fix. But it seems like an impossible thing to reach at this point.

 

[metalslimer]

Are people angry that they killed the suspect or that they used a bomb to take him out? If it was a sniper who shot him through a window would that have been any better? I don't get the outrage in taking out a murderous psychopath

Edit: Do we know what kind of weapon the guy had and if it could be legally purchased?

 

[Gattsu25]

Video of Paul Ryan's statement.

This was a great speech. Thanks for sharing. Agreed with everything he said 100%

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Don't like the legal precedent of purposefully killing someone with a robot. I understand he's a dangerous suspect in a standoff but in the age of drone warfare this seems like a dangerous path to go down.

 

[DoubleTake]

Go back to playing videogames where you can sidestep bullets, shoot the guns out of people's hands, and respawn if you make too brash of a decision.

This. I cant believe what I'm reading.

 

[johnny956]

So kblowing up the guy who knows where he planted bombs is the safest and most appropriate approach?

You sound vindictive in the last sentence of your first paragraph.

Why shouldn't he be?

 

[Bearjewpiter]

Invoking 9/11 sounds like loaded sensationalism to me.

True, it does seem a little 'click-baity', but if it's an accurate metric then I'm not complaining too much.

 

[maquiladora]

If the L.A times is accurate and this guy didn't have a criminal record, that's going to be an eye-opener for many. What can you do to stop someone who doesn't have a criminal record?

Introduce strict gun control laws.

 

[mreddie]

Are people angry that they killed the suspect or that they used a bomb to take him out? If it was a sniper who shot him through a window would that have been any better? I don't get the outrage in taking out a murderous psychopath

I think some just wanted him alive to wonder why did he do it? But it's another long line of having no choice but to take him out or he takes more out.

 

[wesleyshark]

Don't like the legal precedent of purposefully killing someone with a robot. I understand he's a dangerous suspect in a standoff but in the age of drone warfare this seems like a dangerous path to go down.

Sounds like the best path for this current context.

Take the fucker out. Stop him from murdering more people.

 

[Exile20]

If the L.A times is accurate and this guy didn't have a criminal record, that's going to be an eye-opener for many. What can you do to stop someone who doesn't have a criminal record?

How did he get access to bomb material and sniper rifles? It was a short time between the shootings and the protest.

 

[johnny956]

Introduce strict gun control laws.

I think this might actually get the assault rife ban enacted again. Doubtful anything beyond that.

 

[marrec]

Don't like the legal precedent of purposefully killing someone with a robot. I understand he's a dangerous suspect in a standoff but in the age of drone warfare this seems like a dangerous path to go down.

Well for the Dallas PD at the time it was literally the most safe path to go down.

 

[thenight11]

They released the name of the shooter

Micah xavier Johnson ,25 from Dallas/Mesquite Area


MORE: #Dallas suspect ID'd as Micah Johnson, 25, of Mesquite, Texas, CBS News confirms

 

[DoubleTake]

^

The willingness to consider the shooter a victim of any sort here is unbelievable.

Misread my mistake!

All this has my head spinning.

 

[TyrantII]

Don't like the legal precedent of purposefully killing someone with a robot. I understand he's a dangerous suspect in a standoff but in the age of drone warfare this seems like a dangerous path to go down.

This is reasonable.

 

[doctorblurg]

So kblowing up the guy who knows where he planted bombs is the safest and most appropriate approach?

You sound vindictive in the last sentence of your first paragraph. You shouldn't let emotion get in the way of doing what is right. Setting off a bomb is dangerous regardless of who does it.

Do you not understand the immense risk that would have been involved trying to capture him alive when he's holed up, with a bomb, and continuously firing during a 4 hour long negotiation?
It was either blow him sky high or risk more people getting hurt, it wasn't worth it in the slightest.

 

[Alucrid]

Don't like the legal precedent of purposefully killing someone with a robot. I understand he's a dangerous suspect in a standoff but in the age of drone warfare this seems like a dangerous path to go down.

do you even know what a legal precedent is?

 

[Mahonay]

I think this might actually get the assault rife ban enacted again. Doubtful anything beyond that.

Cops being mowed down might get Congress to finally wake the fuck up. But yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

[Raven117]

Exactly, that's what I'm wondering too. Why the hell did they have to use an exposive on a pinned down guy? They could have used something not lethal to knock him out.

This is the excessive force used by police that people have been complaining about.

Nope, it sure isn't the excessive forced used by police that people have been complaining about.

Active shooter, downtown Dallas, was already in a standoff and other tactics tried, and has demonstrated wanton disregard for human life including killing police officers, Dallas Police were justified in doing what they did. I think DPD's performance through this was quite good considering the circumstances.

3 other suspects are in custody (I think 3). This is pretty amazing that all aren't dead.

I am in downtown Dallas right now, and things seem relatively calm (though more empty than usual).

 

[bootsthecat]

Wait, dead suspect announced to police he was acting alone?
It was just him?

No mention of two in Mercedes stopped and woman now? No mention of triangulation etc?

Yes, I am curious about this as well; based on the information provided thus far, the other 3 folks were not part of the shooting? I'd imagine they would have at least been mentioned in the press conference?