Kim Kardashian releases video of Kanye/Taylor Swift conversation about "Famous" lyric

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How does this make Kim K look bad? Because she released a conversation that she said she would release after Tay doubled down on denying its existence? I agree that KP is the real winner tho

It doesn't make Kanye or Kim K look bad. You can't be made to look worse when you're already at the bottom. This is the family that turned a person's (gender reassignment? not sure what the right word is) surgery and another person's struggles with drug addiction into revenue generating events.

It doesn't make Taylor look bad, either. This is what she does for a living. If you think it makes her look bad that simply means you were naive enough to think this wasn't going on in the first place.
 
It doesn't make Kanye or Kim K look bad. You can't be made to look worse when you're already at the bottom. This is the family that turned a person's (gender reassignment? not sure what the right word is) surgery and another person's struggles with drug addiction into revenue generating events.

It doesn't make Taylor look bad, either. This is what she does for a living. If you think it makes her look bad that simply means you were naive enough to think this wasn't going on in the first place.
A lot of people were under her spell or "naive" as you say so it definitely hurts her squeaky clean image with teens etc.
 
Has anyone considered that it's not Kanye vs Taylor, but rather that all of them are in on this? No press is bad press, and according to my Wikipedia-ing, Taylor Swift has released an album in October of 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, and 2014. Following that pattern, would it be crazy to assume she's got a new album hitting very soon and this is just another of many calculated moves that just happens to occur soon before an album release?

Taylor and Kanye are in cahoots for sure.

The phone convo definitely suggests that her image and even publicity stunts are always on her tiny lil snake mind, but people are always saying this about any problem she and her death eater team are getting her into. She didn't gain anything from being at the mercy of black twitter and having to apologize over the Nicki Minaj thing, for example. She lost hard here, and now that the media isn't playing along with her innocent victim schtick any more it will be harder for her to market the only type of music she's proven capable of making.
 
She denied both that any knowing about the "famous" line. Then she changed her tune once she got proven a fraud.
Nope. Her very first PR comment on the song is posted throughout the thread and said they spoke and she specifically never approved "I made that bitch famous"

She never said he didn't call her. She said he didn't play the song for her and did not share that bitch line. The video doesn't contradict this, though it does make it seem like Taylor was pretending to be chill and flipped on him. But her statements aren't disproven by the clip, even if she seems a bit illogical.

Maybe Kim should release the part where he actually plays the song or where he reads the bitch part to Taylor because that hasn't been shown.
 
Nope. Her very first PR comment on the song is posted throughout the thread and said they spoke and she specifically never approved "I made that bitch famous"

She never said he didn't call her. She said he didn't play the song for her and did not share that bitch line. The video doesn't contradict this, though it does make it seem like Taylor was pretending to be chill and flipped on him. But her statements aren't disproven by the clip, even if she seems a bit illogical.

Maybe Kim should release the part where he actually plays the song or where he reads the bitch part to her because that hasn't been shown.
Her problem was originally about the line itself, the making famous part, which the call makes it clear that she was aware of. This is why at events she harped on the "don't ever let people tell you that they made you famous". Now that she can't pretend that this is the line that she was unaware of, she latched onto the "bitch" part. It's also been made clear that she had access to the final version of the song before its release, all there's no video of her agreeing to it.
 
Except that recording someone, including a phone conversation without their knowledge is illegal here in California.
We don't really know that's a Taylor didn't know. It may have been disclosed to her already that Kanye is documenting his studio time or he may have mentioned it in parts of the call we didn't see. He didn't seem to have any ill intention. Kim herself didn't personally record the call.
 
Nope. Her very first PR comment on the song is posted throughout the thread and said they spoke and she specifically never approved "I made that bitch famous"

She never said he didn't call her. She said he didn't play the song for her and did not share that bitch line. The video doesn't contradict this, though it does make it seem like Taylor was pretending to be chill and flipped on him. But her statements aren't disproven by the clip, even if she seems a bit illogical.

Maybe Kim should release the part where he actually plays the song or where he reads the bitch part to Taylor because that hasn't been shown.
What? The bitch stuff is her moving the goalposts. She bitched about the fame line in her grammy speech. The video proved she lied about that.

So now she's rewrote history to apparently being cool with everything that is more offensive than bitch. Bitch is her last string of wool pulled over the eyes of fangirls.
 
The videos prove option B in my opinion (though I guess we don't have a say in how she should feel about hearing the whole thing in context with the word bitch added), but the Internet is oddly using the word liar without proof of A. Swift acknowledged the call from the beginning, and we don't know if the crux of it was him calling for "hey let me go over this song release I'm working on with you"

Except that she explicitly says in her first statement that Kanye didn't call for permission, just to ask to release the song on Twitter, and from what we hear of the conversation that's exactly what he did. There's no question she lied, the real question is just the level/severity of said lie. She lied about him not asking for permission. Did she lie about warning him about the misogynistic lyrics (we don't hear it, but the video is edited)? Did she lie about not having heard the "I made that bitch famous" part (I honestly think she isn't, and from what Kanye said about the lyric being her idea, I think he might not be lying about being inspired by her to add it).
 
We don't really know that's a Taylor didn't know. It may have been disclosed to her already that Kanye is documenting his studio time or he may have mentioned it in parts of the call we didn't see. He didn't seem to have any ill intention. Kim herself didn't personally record the call.
And it was on speaker phone and she spoke to rick rubin who was there apparently.

If she wants to go down that path she should get charges otherwise it can be assumed she knew.
 
Her problem was originally about the line itself, the making famous part, which the call makes it clear that she was aware of. This is why at events she harped on the "don't ever let people tell you that they made you famous". Now that she can't pretend that this is the line that she was unaware of, she latched onto the "bitch" part. It's also been made clear that she had access to the final version of the song before its release, all there's no video of her agreeing to it.
But context can change the meaning. If she didn't know the whole lyric or he didn't disclose the final wording, she again has room to say she didn't approve that line and thus now finds the angle he turned it into offensive as a whole and not as innocent as the version she got on the call. You are speculating or dictating how she should feel about the final product based on how she felt about the piece we saw him give on the phone call. Again, it seems like Taylor was a shitty friend by suggesting she would be defensive in his favor and then turning on him over a mild lyric. But that's her right and they haven't proven a lie on her part. Just because someone sent Taylor's publicist the song doesn't mean she ever heard it either or listens to the songs she gets sent (though the only source I've seen saying she heard it was someone who said they had no first hand knowledge and were mistaken in that statement). We don't see Kanye playing it for her.
 
But context can change the meaning. If she didn't know the whole lyric or he didn't disclose the final wording, she again has room to say she didn't approve that line and thus now finds the angle he turned it into offensive as a whole and not as innocent as the version she got on the call. You are speculating or dictating how she should feel about the final product based on how she felt about the piece we saw him give on the phone call. Again, it seems like Taylor was a shitty friend by suggesting she would be defensive in his favor and then turning on him over a mild lyric. But that's her right and they haven't proven a lie on her part. Just because someone sent Taylor's publicist the song doesn't mean she ever heard it either or listens to the songs she gets sent (though the only source I've seen saying she heard it was someone who said they had no first hand knowledge and were mistaken in that statement). We don't see Kanye playing it for her.
She was caught in a lie. How can you believe anything she says to try and look like the victim again?
 
When she referenced fame at the Grammy's, should she have said she wasn't anyone's bitch? It wasn't the appropriate venue for that language, but she wanted to defend herself.

I haven't seen definitive proof she lied about lyrics. The proof (that may have been illegally recorded) may exist, but not yet revealed fully.
 
When she referenced fame at the Grammy's, should she have said she wasn't anyone's bitch? It wasn't the appropriate venue for that language, but she wanted to defend herself.

I haven't seen definitive proof she lied. The proof (that may have been illegally recorded) may exist, but not yet revealed fully.
She says in the recording she was fine with the famous stuff and said it was kinda a compliment. Then goes full victim. She lied.
 
Taylor taking an big L for this. The worst part is if she takes this to court more stuff could pop up making her look worse. Kayne and Kim played it well. They tricked her into thinking so won

this article sums it all up
http://idly.craveonline.com/2016/07/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-famous-twitter-kanye/
She’s a manipulative, conniving sociopath who will literally do anything to squeeze every dollar and attention out of her name and relationships, and to maintain her PR lab-crafted image. She’s sued her own fans for making fan art on Etsy. She sued her own fucking guitar teacher for having the audacity to say he taught her. She got a radio DJ fired for allegedly groping her ass, he sued for slander because it wasn’t him (witnesses backed him up), then she counter-sued him into oblivion. She sent a cease and desist letter to a podcast for reciting the lyrics to “Shake It Off”. She tried to trademark a year. When Calvin Harris got a handjob in a Thai massage parlor, she tried to wipe the story off the Internet. When Adele broke her “Bad Blood” Youtube record, Taylor had Tumblr posts removed that made fun of her. She’s a fucking lunatic.
Wow.
 
What? The bitch stuff is her moving the goalposts. She bitched about the fame line in her grammy speech. The video proved she lied about that.

So now she's rewrote history to apparently being cool with everything that is more offensive than bitch. Bitch is her last string of wool pulled over the eyes of fangirls.
She didn't have full context. She is allowed to be mad at the verse after hearing the full context.
Except that she explicitly says in her first statement that Kanye didn't call for permission, just to ask to release the song on Twitter, and from what we hear of the conversation that's exactly what he did. There's no question she lied, the real question is just the level/severity of said lie. She lied about him not asking for permission. Did she lie about warning him about the misogynistic lyrics (we don't hear it, but the video is edited)? Did she lie about not having heard the "I made that bitch famous" part (I honestly think she isn't, and from what Kanye said about the lyric being her idea, I think he might not be lying about being inspired by her to add it).
But as long as he said something like "hi Taylor, I'm calling to go over the release of a song I'm working on and wanted to see if you can get in on this" and then in the call does ask her to release it, then her statement wouldn't be a lie. That's like Kim claiming it was a call for approval of the whole thing when we haven't seen her approve the "whole thing". It's a spin, but nah, I could say he called me to release the song on Twitter if he did indeed ask that, regardless of if he had to give me more details about the song and his process in the call.

Idk I think y'all need more lawyer friends. She's just not pinned down here on the technicalities. She's a manipulative person based on her tone in that call vs her turnaround, but she's not outside her rights of emotion or proven false by the evidence.
 
She didn't have full context. She is allowed to be mad at the verse after hearing the full context.

But as long as he said something like "hi Taylor, I'm calling to go over the release of a song I'm working on and wanted to see if you can get in on this" and then in the call does ask her to release it, then her statement wouldn't be a lie. That's like Kim claiming it was a call for approval of the whole thing when we haven't seen her approve the "whole thing". It's a spin, but nah, I could say he called me to release the song on Twitter if he did indeed ask that, regardless of if he had to give me more details about the song and his process in the call.

Idk I think y'all need more lawyer friends. She's just not pinned down here on the technicalities. She's a manipulative person based on her tone in that call vs her turnaround, but she's not outside her rights of emotion or proven false by the evidence.
Yes she did. She had the exact fame line which is what she went off on. And her first pr statement was


"Kanye did not call for approval, but to ask Taylor to release his single 'Famous’ on her Twitter account. She declined and cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message".

How the fuck is that not a lie after the call getting released?
 
It sounds to me like she approved/knew of the made her famous part, but when she heard the bitch part, it upset her so she claimed she didn't approve any of it. If that's true then, yes she lied. Kanye also lied in omission by not revealing the full context, and Kim broke the law by releasing a recorded conversation without one party's approval in a two party state.
 
She says in the recording she was fine with the famous stuff and said it was kinda a compliment. Then goes full victim. She lied.

I didn't hear her call being called bitch a compliment.

And a lyrical excerpt didn't qualify as being played the song.
 
I didn't hear her call being called bitch a compliment.

And a lyrical excerpt didn't qualify as being played the song.
She went off on the famous stuff. Bitch was literally never mentioned until the call was released to move the goalposts.
 
She went off on the famous stuff. Bitch was literally never mentioned until the call was released to move the goalposts.
Well she's not the one focusing on that word even. She's talking about the whole line that he didn't say on the phone "I made that bitch famous"
Yes she did. She had the exact fame line which is what she went off on. And her first pr statement was


"Kanye did not call for approval, but to ask Taylor to release his single 'Famous’ on her Twitter account. She declined and cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message".

How the fuck is that not a lie after the call getting released?
Because we saw a couple minutes but have no idea if the first minute of the call or the rest of the call after is Kanye positioning his call as a pitch to see if she would like it enough to release it on Twitter. That would mean she could reasonably consider that the purpose of his call, especially after he released the song in a different and what she considers a less innocent version than he said on the call to her.

Like if I got a call to host a party in my store and the caller also asks what I think of their speech they are giving at the party, which they then change later in a less innocent manner in my eyes, you ain't gonna pin me down in court saying I'm a liar for saying that the caller was calling to ask if I'd host the party in my store and you aren't going to pin me as a liar for approving a joke that you delivered in a way I was not in on and feel shaded by. Factual defense 101. She sucks in friendville but she's not a proven criminal in PR world.

On top of that he never actually went about playing the song for her. There's just conflicting claims she had access to it ahead of time, but nobody can say whether it got through to Taylor's people, let alone if Taylor herself ever got word she had an advanced access and heard it.
 
Maybe but nobody comes out of this looking good. Especially Swift whose went from "Sweet innocent little flower bullied by Kanye" to manipulative as fuck. Plus the Katy Perry stuff now looks even worse, caught lying once you'll always be assumed a liar.

Looking good? She still at the top.
 
Revealed as a liar, no longer the apple pie of music. But I'm sure she'll get a couple hits outta this and Hiddleston as usual.

Well, yeah, because even though you can expose Taylor as a fake we all know Kanye and Kim are worse so every one goes back to the Queen. Have your giggle, we still won.
 
Well, yeah, because even though you can expose Taylor as a fake we all know Kanye and Kim are worse so every one goes back to the Queen. Have your giggle, we still won.

How can you watch the leaked video and still think Kanye is the smaller person in this situation? Seems like a stand up guy in real life.
 

shit like this just rubs me the wrong way. I can completely understand preventing harassment - but how many other people are getting hit with that type of shit and what are companies like Insta and twitter etc doing for them? But anything threatening Taylor gets swift action taken.

Compare that shit with Twitter barely doing anything to help Leslie Jones. (yes i know they are different companies)
 
Now I'm just waiting for a song where Kanye compares himself and Kim to Adam and Eve, the Apple to Famous and the snake to Taylor.
 
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