G-Sync is the god-level gaming upgrade.
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Prophet Steve
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They were asking about the benefit
Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't that do nothing when you use gsync.
Well yeah, but the person specifies when you turn G-Sync off and then use borderless windowed.
Aztechnology
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Holy crap I would have taken the chance on that. It's the monitor I want but it's just too expensive. I have an MG279Q right now which is great, got it for a little over $400 as I was planning to go AMD this time around. Ended up going with a 1070 so I would have taken that in a heartbeat and switched out.
TheRealJakoozie
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So...
As much as I loved G-SYNC I decided to return the Dell monitor because the colors are simply bad and I hate having to mess around with color profiles.
I guess I'm waiting for a VA panel now then... because I have tried all the G-SYNC 27" panels out there and have not been happy at all with them.
Problem now though... I have no monitor (sold my old monitor).
What do you guys suggest I pickup to bridge the gap?
I'm in the same position. IPS just isn't good enough for me, color accuracy is one thing but light bleed/IPS glow is a big no no and huge turn off. I won't even consider spending this kind of cash on a monitor with a lackluster panels, just because of gsync.
(I also cringe at the idea of tying myself to nvidia. Why can't we have a good platform agnostic solution?)
So at the moment I'm playing everything on my spanking new 4k Samsung. A lot better picture quality than any monitor I've used, the response time in gaming mode is fine and since I've never tried gsync I don't really miss it.
My dream is a 3440p oled monitor with platform agnostic gsync. Or maybe 1440p.
Aztechnology
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A-sync is the platform agnostic solution, it exists now and Nvidia already uses it with their mobile Gsync. It's a standard in DP and HDMI going forward. They are just trying to create a lock in ecosystem on their desktop as you said.
The AOC just came in. Perfect! No complaints about it.
My main goal was to eliminate VSYNC and this is achieved with this monitor. I can stick with 1080p until better panel technologies come out!
Colors are fine out of the box!
The AOC just came in. Perfect! No complaints about it.
My main goal was to eliminate VSYNC and this is achieved with this monitor. I can stick with 1080p until better panel technologies come out!
Colors are fine out of the box!
I have been going back and forth myself on what to get for my build. I was dead set on getting the Acer IPS G-sync monitor, but I just can't justify the insane price for it. Right now I am leaning toward just getting the AOC. Good price and I really want 144hz and G-sync. I value that more than the higher res or IPS. My thinking is then to upgrade once everything settles and there is a 4K 144hz panels out for a decent price. Going 1080p also allows me to just straight max everything out and get super high frames with the GTX 1070.
That's what I went for too: max settings and high frame rates. I don't see a need to go any higher than 1080p at the moment, but I want my 1080p to look fantastic.
Yeah I'm waiting for that excellent PQ 4K solution as well. If it's gsync only I could live with that but I'm not spending semi large cash on a mediocre panel just for gsync. Makes no sense. I'll just use my 4K tv then.
Glad to hear your are satisfied with the AOC. Been reading generally good things about it. I had completely written off getting a TN panel because everything you read is negative towards that type of panel. But after exhaustive research and pondering, I came to a decision that even though I have the money, I don't want to pay the premium in order to get a IPS 144hz G-sync monitor at the moment. In due time they will come down in price to something more reasonable.
Which preset were those color settings on; User?
Cool. Looks great so far. I bumped brightness down to 55 because I use it in a basement and it was starting to seer my eye balls.
Thanks again for the settings.
Feels good to finally have a new monitor I am happy with. Who woulda thought AOC would do that!?
The Omega Man
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AOC G2460PG user here, I have had this monitor for around 6 weeks now, I am more than satisfied with this set, my vcard is a 970gtx and 1080p at max settings is the way to go for me, I rather have +100 fps in a game at max settings at 1080p than 60fps at max settings at 1440.
I might get a 1070 down the road depending of the new games but if the the 970 keeps going strong I might skip a generation thanks to this fantastic monitor.
I might get a 1070 down the road depending of the new games but if the the 970 keeps going strong I might skip a generation thanks to this fantastic monitor.
TheRealJakoozie
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Interesting. That motivates me even more to hold out. (I've been tempted to buy several times). When can I expect to buy a monitor with async and (potentially) a nVidia card that supports it? Estimate obviously, and as I mentioned above I might wait even longer until the IQ is at the level I want.
I hate when companies try to make monopolies for themselves, and hate being locked to anything. That's why I've stopped buying Apple products completely, even though I really like a lot of their products individually.
Never.
G-Sync monitors are apparently selling quite well, so until that situation changes, don't expect NVidia to support it at all.
Not gonna happen in recent years. While I would also like Nvidia to at least support adaptive sync so you can use a Freesync display should you wish to do so, I'm fine with sticking with G-Sync at the moment. From what I've read it generally works a bit better than Freesync displays and it also has the ULMB mode which is great for fast paced games that run 60+ fps like Doom. Displays using Freesync need to have their own solution for an equivalant to the ULMB mode.
It seems GPUs are starting to converge where neither AMD or Nvidia has a significant performance benefit over the other brand and even the drivers are roughly equally crappy.
The G-Sync module isn't as simple as the chips used for just adaptive sync. The G-Sync module as far as I know replaces most of the display's controller whereas the adaptive sync parts in other displays are simply small part of the puzzle. As the G-Sync modules are not mass produced in the same manner as other display controllers, they are going to be more expensive. As Nvidia controls the production they can ask for a premium vs letting a manufacturer just manufacture the chip themselves cheaper.
I don't even mind the increased price if it comes to a quality display. I've already had my ASUS PG278Q for two years and it has been nothing but stellar. When the 4K 120+ Hz displays come out I'll move to whatever is the best option then and give the PG278Q to my girlfriend. So what I'm trying to say is that a quality display is something that usually last you several years so if you consider its price for that kind of duration it isn't THAT expensive.
Weird, my 980ti does fine. In fact, I need to find a way to turn off the notification of A G-SYNC DISPLAY HAS BEEN CONNECTED because it's a touch annoying.
Huh, I'm not sure why I never bothered to look this up before but it looks like there might be a fix for it? Doesn't really matter now for me though
http://www.shadowsplace.net/1898/wi...boot-or-sleep-with-asus-strix-gtx-970-series/
http://www.shadowsplace.net/1898/wi...boot-or-sleep-with-asus-strix-gtx-970-series/
Anyone who has a gsync monitor is this vertical line issue down the monitor a real thing when the refresh rate of the screen changes and when you alt-tab out of games? http://community.acer.com/t5/Predator-Monitors/Line-down-the-middle-overlapping-image/td-p/418751
I keep wanting to pull the plus on a gsync monitor but everything I do some new problem seems to crop up and I'm really hesitant to be throwing down such a huge investment on sub par quality products!
Appreciate all thoughts and responses. Thanks!
I keep wanting to pull the plus on a gsync monitor but everything I do some new problem seems to crop up and I'm really hesitant to be throwing down such a huge investment on sub par quality products!
Appreciate all thoughts and responses. Thanks!
I've been using my Gsync (XB270HU) monitor for over a year now and never had this issue with any of the three graphics cards I used during that time
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Same here
Soodanim
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Same as me. Had it about a year now but I have no real desire (I mean, I always want higher framers tea but I can suppress that) for a new GPU as between 1080p, ULMB, and G-Sync I think we're going to be okay for a while.
My plan is to wait for an ultra wide 1440p 100+hz G-Sync. I want an ultra wide but I don't think I could drop G-Sync now. Triple buffering does well enough in some games, but the sheer convenience of variable framerates from the word go is lovely. Plus, ULMB for anything that can do a solid 120.
metareferential
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In terms of IQ, it's definitely a good step-up: 1080p stretched over 27" is a bit much for my tastes.
But the price is too high for such an upgrade. I'll wait for better options (like 4k 21:9 VA panels xD).
If you care at all about pixel density, DO NOT get the 1080p monitor. 1440p and a 1070 should be perfect.
I think they're saying they already own the 1080p one.
1440p is a nice step up, I noticed it straight away. £500's worth though? I guess it depends if that's easy disposable cash for you or not.
I'd personally keep what you have now, but keep my eyes on the 1440ps to see if it goes in any sales or anything.
Avid Reading Horse
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Got myself a ROG Swift PG279Q. It's only paired with a GTX 770 at the moment but still works quite nicely with Rocket League and Battlefield 4. Upgraded my center monitor from a 1920x1200 16:10. It's almost the same height, a couple of millimeters taller, with a thinner bezel compared to the old 8 year old workhorses, so it fits right in. Really liking the gsync life so far, and the 120hz desktop life. Looking forward to upgrading my video card to a 1070 or 1080 and kicking Terry Crews around in BF1.
I did seriously consider the 21:9 version, despite the crazy price. I just couldn't justify it, because I remember how big of a hassle trying to run games in Nvidia Surround turned out to be, with getting the right aspect ratios of the HUD where I wanted it.
I did seriously consider the 21:9 version, despite the crazy price. I just couldn't justify it, because I remember how big of a hassle trying to run games in Nvidia Surround turned out to be, with getting the right aspect ratios of the HUD where I wanted it.
SmartWaffles
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We are never going to have affordable IPS Gsync monitors ever aren't we?
Soodanim
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The first thing to be aware of is how G-Sync/V-Sync/ULMB settings work.
G-sync works from 0-[max refresh] to stop tearing, past that is past the technology and so you'll get tearing. Enabling V-Sync at the same time in NVidia Control Panel does what it normally does: makes the max refresh rate the max framerate. ULMB is a setting that can't function at the same time as G-Sync, so is mostly for when you can maintain a solid 85/100/120fps (IIRC). The motion clarity at a locked 120 with ULMB is better than 144hz. Great for anything with rapid movement like racing or FPSs.
I find that unlocked but demanding games like GTAV make the best use of G-Sync. On my 970 it varies from 50-90 and when you get that with no tearing you have a moment of realisation where you think "This is how it should always be." I got bored of GTAV, but I'd love to play it at the framerates a 1070 can pump out on it. Get in a fast car and drive as fast as you can. Sleeping Dogs is a good alternative for a sense of speed in an open world.
Then switch back to 60fps and wonder how you ever played like that. Better yet, switch to 30fps.
Edit: regarding your max framerate, people say to use RTSS to lock at something like 142 to keep input lag lower, but for some reason that was giving me microstutter in Dragon's Dogma so I moved it back up to 144.
Great info, thanks. I've been making sure I didn't have V-Sync on because I knew it interfered with G-Sync. Should I be able to hit high framerates on max settings on games like Overwatch and FFXIV? I tried last night and it hovered around 60FPS on max on these games, only hitting 120FPS around low/medium settings.
Soodanim
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When NVidia brought in V-Sync as a separate option to G-Sync it caused a lot of confusion because previously they lumped G and V together, but they were right to separate them as they are separate technologies that compliment each other.
As for your framerates it depends on what max settings are for those games. If they use some form of supersampling then that would explain the huge difference. I don't have any experience with either of them to be able to say one way of the other, but the cause is almost certainly just demanding settings.
Oh I thought your first post said setting V-Sync to anything but 0 would cause tearing?
So I SHOULD be running GSync and VSync simultaneously?
With Gsync on and vsync off then you can exceed your monitors refresh rate and the game will tear.
With gsync on and vsync on the game will cap out at the monitors refresh and not tear
Just don't have VSync on in the game, do it in the NVidia Control Panel.
As for framerates, at 1440p, I get around 80-odd FPS on Overwatch at 1440p on an overclocked 980ti.
The combo is really the highest end you can have for gaming at the moment, so expect to pay for it.
What is your idea of affordable?
Cool, will set that tonight. What level settings is that on Overwatch? Max?
Yeah, Epic settings
For my 144 Hz gsync, I've found capping at 135 in RTSS to be extremely effective. Frame rates will still fluctuate below and above the number you've entered, and 142 is too close to the max refresh.
Soodanim
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Have you noticed any micro stutter?
Cert.in.Death
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Thought about making this its own thread, but decided against it.
PSA: 27" Dell S2716DGR is on sale at Best Buy for $450. GSync, 1440p, 144hz, TN. Reviewed middle of the road but mainly due to its price.
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PSA: 27" Dell S2716DGR is on sale at Best Buy for $450. GSync, 1440p, 144hz, TN. Reviewed middle of the road but mainly due to its price.
Best Buy Link
After refunding my 21:9 monitor I got last week I've decided to get a G-Sync monitor to go with my current Dell IPS Ultrasharp 24 inch one.
Is the AOC G2460PG any good? I've never been one to notice the differences in colour so the TN panel doesn't seem like it would be as big of an issue. The reason I'm looking at it over the Dell 2716DG, the other G-Sync monitor I'm looking at, is because I feel that I don't really need 27 inch 1440p right now and I know that my 980ti will get great framerates at 1080p for at least two years or so. I'd also like a bit of uniformity between the two monitors as I plan to also buy a dual VESA mount as well.
So any thoughts, GAF? Is that monitor worth the £300?
Is the AOC G2460PG any good? I've never been one to notice the differences in colour so the TN panel doesn't seem like it would be as big of an issue. The reason I'm looking at it over the Dell 2716DG, the other G-Sync monitor I'm looking at, is because I feel that I don't really need 27 inch 1440p right now and I know that my 980ti will get great framerates at 1080p for at least two years or so. I'd also like a bit of uniformity between the two monitors as I plan to also buy a dual VESA mount as well.
So any thoughts, GAF? Is that monitor worth the £300?