Twitter has just banned Milo Yiannopoulos permanently

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SirClinksAlot said:
So he says he's not part of GG but yet goes on to say he just says shit to piss off SJWs....Thats not any better.
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Depends on what you would consider a SJW. Because I don't think anyone considers it a positive term. Some people probably proudly wear it or something, but it really isn't seen as anything positive. In his case he is referring to people dogpiling on him for some of his opinions.

BrutishMrFish said:
You realize that makes him look worse, right? At that point, most people who knew about GamerGate knew that it was bullshit. Wanting to burn bridges with people who don't think ethical video game journalism is worth harassing people over is not a good thing. Saying that he was a part of a harassment campaign (even sarcastically) in order to get some assholes out of his Twitter feed would be like someone saying they're a member of the KKK to get people they don't like out of their favorite bar. If he really was being honest about his intentions (though it's pretty clear that he wasn't), then that would make him an exceptionally idiotic person.

It's far more likely that Notch is a coward who tries to back off every time people call him out. He wants to support many of GamerGate's causes while still having the wiggle-room to say that he's not with them.



Notch saying "Milo is a bit of a dick" is a great example of how he's trying to have it both ways. He gets to undersell how awful Milo is (and ignore the thing that got Milo banned) in a way that GGers could claim shows that he's not biased, while also championing another one of their pet causes. It's embarrassingly transparent.
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You think his tweet was to "weed out people"? How would that even work? He is saying that so that he can now block all kinds of people or something? How does that make any sense? That is not what he is doing, he is making a sarcastic bitter remark about the people that are ranting on him.

He is even saying he blocked Milo on Twitter though, it is not an example of anything but you making unreasonable assumptions that fit your viewpoint. That I consider Notch a bit of a dick doesn't mean I agree with his viewpoints, but you seem to think otherwise.

xaosslug said:
give me a break. That's like whining when you get banned on GAF - you cannot cry 'freedom of speech' bullshit when you are at the mercy of someone else's platform. He wants 'complete freedom of speech'? Then use your billions to create your own social media platform and let peeps go hog wild... But, you wanna use someone else's? Then you are forever at the mercy of their TOS.
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I am aware, he thinks people should not be banned from a platform for their opinions. We don't agree with it. I am just saying he isn't a fan of Milo for not wanting him banned.
 
Stinkles said:
There are people who support any cause you can think of in any number of industries. 100% agree.

Nonsense is the idea that its some secret silent majority or even meaningful number. Criticism of the initial silence and slow reaction is completely valid but that seemed to be the industry being slow to understand what actually, and the scale of what was happening.
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The industry was annoyingly slow to react to it, which is where the myth of a hidden swell of support comes from. The times they did respond were just basic "Hey, uh, maybe don't harass people" or vague enough to let GGers believe they were actually in support.

Mind you, I am not in any way saying the industry supported Gamergate or even thought about staying quiet to keep them appeased. But they didn't exactly come out with shields and swords, you know?

Edit: To be clear, I am not disagreeing with you, I am just using your post as a jumping off point.
 
Ozigizo said:
Maybe it's just my perspective, but after getting billions of dollars, he seemed to socially regress.
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I do wonder whether this is due to having the money to not care as much anymore, or alienation made by his wealth causing him to become a nastier person. It's admittedly part of why if I could choose between, say, a billion dollars or 100k-200k a year for the rest of my life I'd rather go with the latter as I don't really feel like I need a billion, just enough to live an upper middle class life.
SG-17 said:
Notch is a disgusting person.
Milo is a horrific person.
Twitter is a terrible company.



Simple.
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I'm going to wait to see if Twitter takes a more proactive approach to handling harassment before I say they're a "terrific company." This shit went on way too long and I know at least one person isn't exactly celebrating since they weren't as proactive when they were the ones being harassed.

Uhh, I swore I read terrific not terrible. Yeah, going to agree fully then!
 
Eusis said:
I do wonder whether this is due to having the money to not care as much anymore, or alienation made by his wealth causing him to become a nastier person. It's admittedly part of why if I could choose between, say, a billion dollars or 100k-200k a year for the rest of my life I'd rather go with the latter as I don't really feel like I need a billion, just enough to live an upper middle class life.
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I think there's definitely a sense that he's being real and isn't beholden to career safety. "Fuck you money," basically.

If you start believing your own hype, it's probably not too long until you start believing your own bullshit.
 
BocoDragon said:
Being that the alt-right is a loose coalition of various interests, I'm sure you can find instances of classical homophobia. And I'd say it's typical that they might even consider the normalization of homosexuality in culture a left-wing overreach. Milo has said that he liked it better as a gay man when being gay was a fringe taboo activity where you do crazy things at the club, and that domesticating gays through marriage was a mistake.

But do understand that the alt-right is generally distinct from the traditional right, thumping a bible and being opposed to homosexuality in the classical manner. You have to understand that it's the 2010s, the needle has moved, and you don't have to be a homophobic fundamentalist Christian in order to be mad about feminism or socialism.
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I agree, the alt-right is a different beast from traditional conservatives: I would go as far as to say that they are more honest about their intentions than the current upholders of the Southern Strategy. However, they do as a collective seem to have inherited that disparaging view of minorities of both the racial and sexual variety from those people. Usually I see the attacks coming from either the direction of a misinterpretation of genetics and a juvenile (and selective) application of teleology to justify disparaging homosexual and especially transgendered people as "unnatural" or from the direction of claiming that homosexuality was created by the emasculation of men through social environmental factors, which is one level removed from ranting about how one's precious bodily fluids are being tainted by communists. It's a different flavor of bigotry from claiming that magical forces say being gay is not okay, but I still see it as a prominent part of their worldview.
 
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Prophet Steve said:
You think his tweet was to "weed out people"? How would that even work? He is saying that so that he can now block all kinds of people or something? How does that make any sense? That is not what he is doing, he is making a sarcastic bitter remark about the people that are ranting on him.
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It's pretty obvious he was going for something of the sort.

"I don't know why so many SJWs follow me, I've clearly been a GGer since day one, just afraid to speak out. Pls unfollow."

"I just said that to piss off the SJWs and burn some bridges."

Again, at the point Notch made those tweets, GamerGate had been fully exposed for what it had always been. As a term, "SJW" had been thrown around so much by GamerGaters that it meant "people who disagree with GamerGate."

Even if you're right, and if he was making "a sarcastic bitter remark" to piss off "the people that are ranting on him" by throwing his hat in with a harassment campaign (even sarcastically), that still makes him look like shit.

That doesn't change the fact that he regularly champions GamerGate's pet causes (as he's doing now) and insults the same people that GamerGate insults, so saying that people are being quick to judge him is pretty rich. He's far past the point of deserving the benefit of the doubt.
 
NSQuote said:
I agree, the alt-right is a different beast from traditional conservatives: I would go as far as to say that they are more honest about their intentions than the current upholders of the Southern Strategy. However, they do as a collective seem to have inherited that disparaging view of minorities of both the racial and sexual variety from those people. Usually I see the attacks coming from either the direction of a misinterpretation of genetics and a juvenile (and selective) application of teleology to justify disparaging homosexual and especially transgendered people as "unnatural" or from the direction of claiming that homosexuality was created by the emasculation of men through social environmental factors, which is one level removed from ranting about how one's precious bodily fluids are being tainted by communists. It's a different flavor of bigotry from claiming that magical forces say being gay is not okay, but I still see it as a prominent part of their worldview.
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I think that could be a common trait, yeah. Nu homophobia.

Though I am also sure that the alt-right contains individuals who are completely okay with/uninterested in the topic of homosexuality. It's a big tent and all you really need to be granted entry is to be sufficiently fed up with social justice, etc. There are some gay men and those who are progressive on the gay issue who have joined that rolling "anti-SJW" snowball that is the alt-right :P
 
So when Milo inevitably creates a new Twitter account, I wonder if they'll shut that one down too, or just leave it be until the next controversy.
 
I saw an old Milo article on reddit and it's hilarious reading it now, my favorite quote must be " If people cannot be trusted to treat one another with respect, dignity and consideration, perhaps they deserve to have their online freedoms curtailed.".

Looks like he got what he asked for back then.

Here is the full article and the whole first paragraph seems to describe his current self http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/yiannopoulos/3359/the-internet-is-turning-us-all-into-sociopaths/
 
jstripes said:
So when Milo inevitably creates a new Twitter account, I wonder if they'll shut that one down too, or just leave it be until the next controversy.
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He'll probably be back the same way keemstar was back on youtube through a surrogate company that he "didn't own".

And twitter won't do anything until he creates another shitstorm again, claiming that it wasn't actually his twitter.

Hopefully Twitter learns from Google and doesn't fall for the same shit.
 
NSQuote said:
I agree, the alt-right is a different beast from traditional conservatives: I would go as far as to say that they are more honest about their intentions than the current upholders of the Southern Strategy. However, they do as a collective seem to have inherited that disparaging view of minorities of both the racial and sexual variety from those people. Usually I see the attacks coming from either the direction of a misinterpretation of genetics and a juvenile (and selective) application of teleology to justify disparaging homosexual and especially transgendered people as "unnatural" or from the direction of claiming that homosexuality was created by the emasculation of men through social environmental factors, which is one level removed from ranting about how one's precious bodily fluids are being tainted by communists. It's a different flavor of bigotry from claiming that magical forces say being gay is not okay, but I still see it as a prominent part of their worldview.
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They often tie it into their belief in the "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy, that secret socialists are trying to destroy the traditional family through social engineering.
 
Sat0ri said:
I saw an old Milo article on reddit and it's hilarious reading it now, my favorite quote must be " If people cannot be trusted to treat one another with respect, dignity and consideration, perhaps they deserve to have their online freedoms curtailed.".

Looks like he got what he asked for back then.

Here is the full article and the whole first paragraph seems to describe his current self http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/yiannopoulos/3359/the-internet-is-turning-us-all-into-sociopaths/
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This is blowing my mind.
 
Sat0ri said:
I saw an old Milo article on reddit and it's hilarious reading it now, my favorite quote must be " If people cannot be trusted to treat one another with respect, dignity and consideration, perhaps they deserve to have their online freedoms curtailed.".

Looks like he got what he asked for back then.

Here is the full article and the whole first paragraph seems to describe his current self http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/yiannopoulos/3359/the-internet-is-turning-us-all-into-sociopaths/
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Oh wow. I would say he's definitively pivoted from that view since 2012. He's saying things that his current audience wouldn't like.

I think he leaned into his inflammatory persona as he rode on the backs of gamergate and found a paid position at Breitbart.
 
Sat0ri said:
I saw an old Milo article on reddit and it's hilarious reading it now, my favorite quote must be " If people cannot be trusted to treat one another with respect, dignity and consideration, perhaps they deserve to have their online freedoms curtailed.".

Looks like he got what he asked for back then.

Here is the full article and the whole first paragraph seems to describe his current self http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/yiannopoulos/3359/the-internet-is-turning-us-all-into-sociopaths/
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Holy shit. Everything in that article, especially the last sentence would've made him public enemy no.1 for GG.
 
Jackpot said:
A reminder of who Milo is:

He genuinely thinks womens' brains can't handle higher-level functions. It's funny he became so big with Gators as he hates gamers:

He also wears a Nazi Iron Cross and briefly called himself Miles Wagner, whilst pointing out he couldn't be anti-Semitic for saying Jews had big noses because he himself was Jewish.

And on being gay:
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Some loads would have been better suited landing in the tissue.

Milo being an example.
 
I don't even know who this dude is, but he's clearly not versed in how free speech works and just comes off as a massive a-hole. Seems like a nobody to me.
 
Freedom of speech == Freedom from government censorship/retaliation

Freedom of speech =/= Freedom from individual censorship/retaliation

Freedom of speech =/= Freedom from consequence

Opinions =/= Behavior or actions

Opinion =/= Shouting fire in a crowded theater

Free speech =/= Organizing and participating In a harassment campaign

Human rights =/= Ability to do bad things to other people without judgement and punishment
 
BocoDragon said:
I think that could be a common trait, yeah. Nu homophobia.

Though I am also sure that the alt-right contains individuals who are completely okay with/uninterested in the topic of homosexuality. It's a big tent and all you really need to be granted entry is to be sufficiently fed up with social justice, etc. There are some gay men and those who are progressive on the gay issue who have joined that rolling "anti-SJW" snowball that is the alt-right :P
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Oh yeah, definitely. It feels a lot like I usually know more about the rationale of the alt right than the people trying to sell me on it. A lot of them really are just angry people who hate that the world hasn't given them what they feel entitled to (usually it's sex) and project that anger onto the way they see the whole world.

sphagnum said:
They often tie it into their belief in the "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy, that secret socialists are trying to destroy the traditional family through social engineering.
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Yeah, this is how I usually see it all tied together.
 
BrutishMrFish said:
It's pretty obvious he was going for something of the sort.

"I don't know why so many SJWs follow me, I've clearly been a GGer since day one, just afraid to speak out. Pls unfollow."

"I just said that to piss off the SJWs and burn some bridges."

Again, at the point Notch made those tweets, GamerGate had been fully exposed for what it had always been. As a term, "SJW" had been thrown around so much by GamerGaters that it meant "people who disagree with GamerGate."

Even if you're right, and if he was making "a sarcastic bitter remark" to piss off "the people that are ranting on him" by throwing his hat in with a harassment campaign (even sarcastically), that still makes him look like shit.

That doesn't change the fact that he regularly champions GamerGate's pet causes (as he's doing now) and insults the same people that GamerGate insults, so saying that people are being quick to judge him is pretty rich. He's far past the point of deserving the benefit of the doubt.
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Ah it's true, he is definitely wanting to weed out people. Although we don't agree on which ones. To me, SJWs are referring to people dog piling on him. There is no reason to think he considers it somebody that is anti-gamersgate because he is not a GG'er, so why would he want to? You keep implying because he is secretly a GG'er or something but then he could just say that. I don't see a reason to not believe him when he says he isn't a GGer.

And the comment maybe does make him look like shit, although I don't think making a sarcastic snarky remark when people are dog piling you is really shitty. Or otherwise his other comments do, but then he is just a shithead. If he is there is no need to tell additional things about him like saying he is a GG'er or that he agrees with Milo.
 
Just because Notch is not some GamerGater and doesn't like Milo doesn't change the fact that his views are some "rational" libertarian bullshit.

Free speech wasn't violated - you do not have the right to spread libel about people. That Notch views it as a free speech issue suggests to me that he is a very ignorant and small-minded person.
 
A Link to the Past said:
Free speech wasn't violated - you do not have the right to spread libel about people. That Notch views it as a free speech issue suggests to me that he is a very ignorant and small-minded person.
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it's an interesting topic, and freedom comes in different degrees.
many gaffers think europe does not have freedom of speech because for instance it's not allowed to publicly deny the holocaust in some european countries, the thread that sparked this discussion was about Le Pen being fined for calling the gas chambers a "minor detail".

I don't think it's wrong to say that Milo's freedom of speech was in some way limited here, but he is an asshole who abused this freedom for hatemongering, so it's ok to take it away from him to some extent and on that platform.
 
BocoDragon said:
Oh wow. I would say he's definitively pivoted from that view since 2012. He's saying things that his current audience wouldn't like.

I think he leaned into his inflammatory persona as he rode on the backs of gamergate and found a paid position at Breitbart.
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His "GTA proves gamers are terrible" article was less than a month before he aligned with Gamergate.

It's not that he pivoted, it's raw opportunism.
 
Moff said:
it's an interesting topic, and freedom comes in different degrees.
many gaffers think europe does not have freedom of speech because for instance it's not allowed to publicly deny the holocaust in some european countries, the thread that sparked this discussion was about Le Pen being fined for calling the gas chambers a "minor detail".

I don't think it's wrong to say that Milo's freedom of speech was in some way limited here, but he is an asshole who abused this freedom for hatemongering, so it's ok to take it away from him.
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Milo's free speech wasn't violated. He's been saying horrible things for years with only very small punishments; what happened was that he made libelous statements against Leslie Jones (provably libelous statements) which are not covered by freedom of speech. It's basically the same deal as "you can't yell fire in a crowded theater." If this was a free speech issue, Milo would be out on his ass long ago.
 
Moff said:
it's an interesting topic, and freedom comes in different degrees.
many gaffers think europe does not have freedom of speech because for instance it's not allowed to publicly deny the holocaust in some european countries, the thread that sparked this discussion was about Le Pen being fined for calling the gas chambers a "minor detail".

I don't think it's wrong to say that Milo's freedom of speech was in some way limited here, but he is an asshole who abused this freedom for hatemongering, so it's ok to take it away from him to some extent and on that platform.
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It's not limited in the least, no private individual, or company owes you a platform. Freedom of speech only applies to government censorship or consequences.

The rest of humanity is under no obligation here.
 
Notch got that "fuck you" money and doesn't care who he pisses off anymore. Silly bastard wasting his time picking internet fights when he could be doing so much more.
 
Permanently A said:
Notch got that "fuck you" money and doesn't care who he pisses off anymore. Silly bastard wasting his time picking internet fights when he could be doing so much more.
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Dude has a candy bar.


It is interesting/sad to see all the folks claiming censorship and free speech. Then the comments of, you don't have a right not to be offended.

So sickening to increasingly see the most vile harassment just thrown aside as some casual easily ignored offense.
 
if you want to try to defend milo or defend notch's defense of milo you need to be careful not to conflate offensive speech with inciting harassment.

notch is engaged in the former while milo was banned for the latter.

and while it's an awful thing to say and deserves harsh criticism I don't think notch should be banned for being a piece of shit. although he does engage in targeted harassment and should absolutely be banned for that.
 
too bad they can't just collectively ban him from all social media. he keeps posting about his hashtag on his facebook page and his followers shouting down anyone calling him out on his bs
 
Fabricating racist tweets and attributing it to a specific person, even if it's done jokingly incited a harassment campaign. I like to think I'm pretty pro-free speech, but we can't have that on Twitter.

Edit: I'm not sure if linking to a notch tweet saying he just wants to piss off SJW's proves he's not off the deep end.
 
ezekial45 said:
Has this guy responded in anyway, yet?
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From buzzfeed:

Yiannopoulos responded via his employer’s site, Breitbart.com, calling Twitter’s permanent suspension “cowardly”:
“With the cowardly suspension of my account, Twitter has confirmed itself as a safe space for Muslim terrorists and Black Lives Matter extremists, but a no-go zone for conservatives.
“Twitter is holding me responsible for the actions of fans and trolls using the special pretzel logic of the left. Where are the Twitter police when Justin Bieber’s fans cut themselves on his behalf?
“Like all acts of the totalitarian regressive left, this will blow up in their faces, netting me more adoring fans. We’re winning the culture war, and Twitter just shot themselves in the foot.
“This is the end for Twitter. Anyone who cares about free speech has been sent a clear message: you’re not welcome on Twitter.”
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ezekial45 said:
Has this guy responded in anyway, yet?
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Just go to Breitbart.com and pretty much everything on the front page is "MILO DID NOTHING WRONG!" "LESLIE JONES RACIST TWITTER HISTORY EXPOSED" "TWITTER IS A COWARDLY HOME FOR MUSLIM EXTREMIST HOMOPHOBIC RIGHT WING NUTJOBS"

Im not making this up
 
joe2187 said:
Just go to Breitbart.com and pretty much everything on the front page is "MILO DID NOTHING WRONG!" "LESLIE JONES RACIST TWITTER HISTORY EXPOSED" "TWITTER IS A COWARDLY HOME FOR MUSLIM EXTREMIST HOMOPHOBIC RIGHT WING NUTJOBS"

Im not making this up
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It's hilarious seeing him squirm. While he's currently in the limelight, he knows after that ends he's gonna lose his biggest megaphone.
 
I stopped following Notch because every time he showed up in my feed he was mocking or belittle people, bullying, and generally being mean spirited. My memories of Notch of years past was a humble and friendly fellow based on interviews and stuff. I don't know what happened. Maybe LA really does change people for the worse?

And Notch had no qualms about unleashing his 4 million angry followers. He tweeted at a small female game dev when she used the word mansplaining in a tweet and for weeks afterwords her timeline and google search results for her name instead of being her actual work, were profanity and links from sites like RalphRetort. And to this day there are forum threads at the usual places where people are 'digging' on her to try and ruin her life, as people self-identify as Notch's army apparently do this shit as their main hobby.

I would never encourage anyone to engage on twitter with him because his army could pick you and spend the rest of their summer 'digging'.
 
JackDT said:
I stopped following Notch because every time he showed up in my feed he was mocking or belittle people, bullying, and generally being mean spirited. My memories of Notch of years past was a humble and friendly fellow based on interviews and stuff. I don't know what happened. Maybe LA really does change people for the worse?

And Notch had no qualms about unleashing his 4 million angry followers. He tweeted at a small female game dev when she used the word mansplaining in a tweet and for weeks afterwords her timeline and google search results for her name instead of being her actual work, were profanity and links from sites like RalphRetort. And to this day there are forum threads at the usual places where people are 'digging' on her to try and ruin her life, as people self-identify as Notch's army apparently do this shit as their main hobby.

I would never encourage anyone to engage on twitter with him because his army could pick you and spend the rest of their summer 'digging'.
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Can twitter just ban all 4 milliin of his followers for poor taste? Seems reasonable. But seriously. Twitter warriors are the worst.
 
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