dragonfart28
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Wikileaks posts thousands of hacked DNC emails
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Bear Force One
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I'm certain that will give the busters plenty of JO material.
Supporting the Good Old Party.
What does that have to do with anything? These are still private conversations.
How exactly did the DNC rig the primaries against Bernie? Merely having a preference behind closed doors in not rigging.
Officerrob
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Oh sweet, a coordinated operation by the Russian government to try and help Trump
Bear Force One
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He and Putin will be good buddies.
Yep, for both sides.
How does anything in these emails compare to any of the outrageous and demeaning crap the republicans and trump have been saying publicly? These are emails that were hacked by the Russians in an attempt to favor orange turds campaign and even then, this is the best they can do? So what if some guys at the DNC were not in favor of Sanders. Sanders was not a democrat until he started campaigning and even then had constantly demonized the DNC. I am more inclined to say that those who might have given in to these stupid accusations against Sanders showed great restraint to not accuse him of being an atheist or whatever.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
An entire organization that is meant to be impartial blatantly favoring one campaign over another is a story
I don't think we'll see any emails saying they "rigged" anything but whatever has yet to come out will also reinforce that story.
Literally 90% of this thread is ignoring the story and saying "but Putin, but Wikileaks, but Trump, but Bernie bros" instead
Of course the system was rigged against Bernie. Just not in the unfair way you probably are thinking.
Bernie knew that too. He used his underdog status to great effect, and it helped him in a populist, outsider focused election year.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
SilentRacoon
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IS there any proof to this claim? I have seen it thrown around all thread but still haven't seen anything backing up such claims...
It was announced last month that Russia hacked the Democratic National Convention.
It is simply a matter of putting 2 and 2 together. Dictator Putin wants orange turd to win in order to undermine America.
Bernie was a weak candidate who couldn't attract non-whites and couldn't succeed against someone who was very beatable. If you want to complain about something, complain about how Bernie talked about how he had a 50-state strategy, only to have his campaign denigrate southern voters when he ended up losing.
Officerrob
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It was a nationally reported story, literally all you have to do is google "dnc hacked by russian government"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...roke-into-dnc-servers-stole-trump-oppo-224315
http://time.com/4368534/dnc-democratic-national-committee-hack-russia-donald-trump/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/14/russian-dnc-hack-donald-trump-files-us-election
QuantumZebra
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The real point here is none of this matters.
The DNC didn't want a kooky socialist as POTUS nominee just like the RNC didn't want a fascist as POTUS nominee.
This is not news.
Democrats and Independents need to be focused on beating Trump, not fighting each other.
Makes me wonder though, could the NSA get into deep shit for tagging and tracking trump? You gotta know you're on their shit list if you ever head over to wikileaks.
I still don't think the DNC did that, but you also seem to think the DNC (and primary elections) are something that they are not.
The DNC sole purpose is to elect Democrats to public office and support the party. They make choices on who to support and who not to support daily, to the benefit and detriment of campaigns. They send money, and they decide not to spend money.
Typically they lay off high profile primaries, especially when both candidates are viable, and nothing so far in the emails shows that anything else was the case besides some behind the scenes salt at the candidate that used attacking them to his advantage.
If your are making accusations that actions were actually took to torpedo Bernie, you're going to have to show the receipts that actions were actually taken, not just salty opinions vented in frustration.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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I highly doubt Trump is technically inclined enough to use the internet for things outside of social media and porn. It's gonna be a while before USA has a president that the NSA will have gathered dirty laundry online from
Jacksinthe
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On-line reads as: on the line
Sorry. I know this is serious business but that's the first thing that sprung to mind reading that. I know, I'm an adolescent, I'll zip it.
Velcro Fly
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Trump is almost charming when he tries like this.
Palette Swap
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Every time you start a sentence with "Trump wouldn't be so petty as to", you know you're going to be wrong.
This is the question I asked you earlier that you didn't answer. In what real, physical ways did the DNC not behave impartially in regards to Bernie Sanders? Staff members having a private preference does not count. People have opinions. What real things from the primaries can you point to that show that the DNC was "against" Bernie?
Was it when they gave the Sanders campaign access to voter data after it was discovered that his campaign had hacked into and stole Hillary's private campaign data and initially lied about it when they were caught?
Was it when they continued to let him run without objection even after he filed a lawsuit against the DNC after his campaign was caught stealing data and his campaign was momentarily cut off while the DNC investigated the matter?
Was it when they increased the number of debates at his "request" (read: whining)?
Was it when they didn't demand that heads roll after some of Bernie's delegates openly encouraged gendered attacks at their rallies ("Democratic Whores") and disruption that neared the point of violence at statewide conventions?
Was it when the DNC did not openly oppose him when he critiqued their fundraising methods, despite being the recipient of those exact same funds in the past for his Senate elections?
Was it when, even after getting tounced thoroughly in the primaries, the DNC allowed him to have an unprecedented number of his delegates admitted to the platform committee (almost as many as Clinton), a concession the DNC has never given previously?
i'm looking for this lack of impartiality in how the primaries were actually handled, and I'm just not finding it.
1.21Gigawatts
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Nothing in these leaks is particularly shocking for a country where bribery is legal.
I don't think its wrong to expose shoddy tactics, thats a good thing.
But in this case its helping Trump, which is a bad thing.
I still think that northern european style social democracy is the way to go for the US. Sanders wasn't the right candidate to achieve that, and now is not the right time to achieve it.
Now is the right time to defeat Trump.
I don't think its wrong to expose shoddy tactics, thats a good thing.
But in this case its helping Trump, which is a bad thing.
I still think that northern european style social democracy is the way to go for the US. Sanders wasn't the right candidate to achieve that, and now is not the right time to achieve it.
Now is the right time to defeat Trump.
Bear Force One
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This will barely be a blip.
SilentRacoon
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I mean I was searching about the topic, and while that seems more likely now, why would that be the breaking point, why would it matter who did it, it makes no difference. The DNC is disingenuous, dishonest and employs dirty tactics to make their way, and people should be condemning it not making up excuses for them.
Bear Force One
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To achieve it you'll need to fill school boards, municiple boards, and state governments. Then congress.
Trying to skip that and elect a figure head is a delivery for disaster as the other side blocks any and all reforms, and then campaigns on the utter failure "that platform" was.
Hell they tried it with Obama, but his views and policies were not too far from the norm that he was able to get support, spend political capital, and get some stuff done to counteract thay argument.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
"Hacked"
More like had access to due to the DNCs incompetence.
They thought this warning was worth ignoring:
http://m.imgur.com/a/Lcbbl
You mean when he tried to get Hillary to do the monthly debates she agreed to and the DNC wrote "lol" about his request in email?
Well you're in luck, you'll soon have thousands and thousands of emails that paint the full story for you, thanks Putin!
Of course to you, Hillary was preordained and Bernie should have never ran in the first place so any resistance he met with from the DNC was his own fault for being so bold as to challenge her.
So you basiclly don't have any real proof ofr examples and break down to old Primary contest anti-DNC/Hillaty talking points that are already tired and failed?
And if the DNC is so incompetent, how did Bernie lose?
Officerrob
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Do you for one second think this wasn't the same way back in 08? Obama overcame it because his message resonated with more voters.
ironichaos
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The question you should be asking yourselves is why are they sharing SSNs and credit card numbers over email?
I would get fired for that shit. Especially so on an unsecure network.
I would get fired for that shit. Especially so on an unsecure network.
If a foriegn intelligence agency, that our intelligence agencies have stated is looking to influence elections and politics, releases documents online, whats the reason?
Further, how can you be sure they are accurate and not dishonest, and not shady tactics.
How do you know positive Bernie discussion were not scrubbed? How do you know all the emails are legitimate and none have been tampered with?
A foriegn national is trying to influence an election. FULL STOP.
To me that seems issue number 1 here, and a reason to be cautious on claims about what this is and is not.
After the primary was over? I think the real question is why Clinton didn't debate O'Malley in California.
This is why Clinton is currently running for her third term.
SilentRacoon
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They were responsible for the personal data leak, that's all on them for not handling such sensitive data more aptly, that's all on them.
So victim blaming?
Good on you and Wikileaks for diverting blame for possible identify theft.
Show real character and priorities.
ClosingADoor
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So if your stuff gets stolen, that is all 100% on you and not the ones doing the stealing?
googleplex
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So now your just making shit up to fit your world view that Bernie lost due to factors over then his own incompetence and running a shit campaign?
Officerrob
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I can't wait for the damning DNC e-mail where they convinced Bernie to completely ignore the south
googleplex
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This is a disgusting attitude.
ironichaos
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Absolutely. We're not talking about grandma here who doesn't know better.
This is a large organization who's sharing unencrypted financial and personal data over email. Over email!
I would be fired from my job in a second if I ever did such a thing. There's no defending this. They fucked up.
EatinOlives
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Continuing to whine about the results of the primary only helps Trump, who at this point in the election is the only thing that matters. Y'all are taking the Wikileaks bait by missing the forest for the trees.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
No, he lost due to running a shit campaign - and the fact that the DNC was colluding with his opponent because they didn't like him or his campaign manager and party politics aren't too dissimilar from high school politics
So I mean, which of these 20,000 emails show the damning collusion that took place? Even if there was any sort of collusion occurring, the election was done after the original Super Tuesday. Anything after that point might as well be dismissed as irrelevant.
Wafflecakes
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Whatever makes you feel better about what a shitty candidate Bernie was.
DNC or no DNC... Bernie would have lost.
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