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Trump's ties to Putin and other Russian Oligarchs
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Tal Shiar Agent
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Trump only cares about two things. Money and having his ego stroked. Putin provides both.
EmpressInYellow
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...Putin has been funding far-right ultra-nationalist parties in Europe for some time now. This isn't even really a secret. What are you talking about?
Palette Swap
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Squall5042
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I want to buy into this...but part of me is reminded of how people believe Obama is a Muslim trying to institute sharia law, is this just the other side of the same coin?
It'll be forgotten as the media focuses on the DNC and the protests surrounding it.
Oh, for fucks sake.
People, Trump is getting national security briefings next month. They aren't going to risk leaks to the goddamn Kremlin and wouldn't be doing this if they thought this would have any basis in reality. The intelligence agencies know more than fucking Talking Point memo and their "connect the dots sheeple" articles. This isn't some shithole like Hungary or Ukraine who's in Russia's backyard and can set up their sattellite states, these are alphabet soup agencies who have their shit together. They aren't going to be infiltrated by the screaming racist yam reality TV star.
Obviously Putin is supportive of Trump, he reminds him of Silvio Berlusconi who was great friends, and he isn't as hawkish as Hillary is towards Russia.
Red Scare 2016. This is the funniest thing in the election, and I've seen penis jokes during debates.
People, Trump is getting national security briefings next month. They aren't going to risk leaks to the goddamn Kremlin and wouldn't be doing this if they thought this would have any basis in reality. The intelligence agencies know more than fucking Talking Point memo and their "connect the dots sheeple" articles. This isn't some shithole like Hungary or Ukraine who's in Russia's backyard and can set up their sattellite states, these are alphabet soup agencies who have their shit together. They aren't going to be infiltrated by the screaming racist yam reality TV star.
Obviously Putin is supportive of Trump, he reminds him of Silvio Berlusconi who was great friends, and he isn't as hawkish as Hillary is towards Russia.
Red Scare 2016. This is the funniest thing in the election, and I've seen penis jokes during debates.
maquiladora
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I'm surprised there is no mention in the article of Michael Flynn, former DIA chief and now the foreign policy advisor of Trump. He was also on Trump's VP shortlist.
And then there is notorious Russian fascist Aleksandr Dugin, who has close ties to the Kremlin, who openly calls for genocide:
Who released a video titled "Dugin's Guideline - In Trump We Trust"
And then there is notorious Russian fascist Aleksandr Dugin, who has close ties to the Kremlin, who openly calls for genocide:
Who released a video titled "Dugin's Guideline - In Trump We Trust"
This has more weight to it as this poses a clear danger if remotely true.
It's too soon to say whether or not this is the case. Those intelligence briefings need to include false information or as little as possible in order to get Trump through the debates. If this is true then giving Trump intelligence briefings is a bad idea for our future.
Call me petty but it is Hilarisad that Repubs spent the better part of their convention disrespecting Hillary calling her a criminal only to promote someone could be a plant by Putin to bring down America. They called her a criminal after promoting a guy with over 3500 active cases being litigated, a guy that's filed for bankruptcy numerous times but is a great businessman LOLFOH, and a guy that is now assumed to be in the backpocket of Putin.
This is not a situation Trump and Republicans can wave away as librul media bullshit as usual.
Pai Pai Master
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Good job reading the sources. No one is claiming he's spy but he has clear connections to Russian money and influence.
None of things mentioned in TPM is illegal. We don't ban FDI for American businesses. We don't ban foreigners from working within our borders. Hell Trump's actually did something illegal with soliciting the UK for donations and they weren't punished for it and that's his team which could've offered a scapegoat.
That said anyone with the intelligence you lack can discern that he hasn't done anything illegal he is now in a position where his decision making is clearly compromised.
Take note of point 7.
You have no facts no way to counter that Trump hasn't expressed a desire to be closer with Russia.
Let's try to stay on message. Trump isn't some Russian agent thrown into the Presidential race. He's a businessman who was forced to turn to foreign money after getting blackballed by all but 1 bank operating in the US. It seems the consequence of that has made him indebted to Russian investments and that by default compromises him to Putin (who anyone should know has most of the economic leaders under his thumb)
The Lamonster
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LOCK HIM UP
You know, in most cases, I'd agree with you.
But this entire election cycle has been one long "There's no way they'd be stupid enough to..." and then having it done. There'd be no way trump would do that, no way they'd let trump get the nom, there's no way Brexit would happen, no way, no way, no way.
And then it happens.
I can't tell you what exactly is happening with the world right now that we are making the most ridiculously suicidal decisions of a lifetime, but it's happening. So...Trump gets national security briefings while having some very suspicious ties to Russia that FBI dismiss offhand. Why not? It wouldn't be any more ridiculous than anything else happening this insane fucking year.
How does the american right wing feels about Putin?
I'm not american, so honestly can't say, but the impression I get from watching this or that occasionally left me with the impression that they actually admire Putin a lot for not giving a shit about things like "human rights" or "morality".
I'm not american, so honestly can't say, but the impression I get from watching this or that occasionally left me with the impression that they actually admire Putin a lot for not giving a shit about things like "human rights" or "morality".
RPGCrazied
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And people want to vote for this man. Wow, its like he has literally brain washed these people.
Thankfully that can't happen to me, wasn't even on that side anyway. Bring on Clinton/Kaine.
Thankfully that can't happen to me, wasn't even on that side anyway. Bring on Clinton/Kaine.
While this should happen the only way this message is properly heard is if conservative news talk about this openly. Telling antiTrump candidates from the Democratic party isn't going to move the needle anymore than Trump's fearmongering has already done.
This message needs to be heard by actual Trump supporters and they'll need to face the reality of their serious miscalculation about making America great again by hitching their support with someone indebt to our previous adversary for over 50 years.
They'll easily dismiss this news as Democratic lies if Hillary is leading the charge on this. It has to be led by right wing news sources to have substantial impact on this election.
Big Baybee
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They won't care, though. Most only care about the team.
Libertarian faction mostly loves Putin. Tea Party faction mostly hates him but neither are as big as Evangelicals which I know too little about.
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My pessimistic view is that the media will burry this story. There have been countless opportunities for them to address the subject of Putin's backing of right-wing, nationalist, anti-gay, racists groups (wouldn't be surprised if far left gtoups were slso backed), but the mainstream media barely ever touches this. They know it would be too big of a weight in the balance, they don't want that. Anything that would significantly damage either party is off the table.
And if people think the NSA/CIA would do something about it, both organizations are probably far removed from what Hollywood would have you believe in their ability to collect information, or else their willingness to ever use it at all.
And if people think the NSA/CIA would do something about it, both organizations are probably far removed from what Hollywood would have you believe in their ability to collect information, or else their willingness to ever use it at all.
Nikodemos
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Why? He's basically everything they stand against. A dirigist rent-seeker who arbitrarily grifted his way into a $10 billion fortune.
orthodoxy1095
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Uh, what. No. Libertarians dislike his policies but are indifferent to intervening against him in situations like Ukraine.
Not sure how great of ads you can make to get this message across. Guess it's possible.
Is it a debate topic? Speech topic? Hopefully there's some investigation going on already.
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Because you can't be a true libertarian unless you lack the ability to think things through past the first or second level. A libertarian friend of mine was trying to tell me there's no difference between Putin and Obama when it comes down to it...the verbal lashing I gave him for making that idiotic observation silenced him for the rest of our drive...
Netherscourge
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I have been wondering why Trump has been kissing Putin's ass all these months.
Now it makes sense.
Now it makes sense.
If I were Hillary I'd basically just put the evidence in a quick bite-size ad and put it on the more centre-right news stations. And yeah, she really needs to bring it up in debates but not in an accusatory way, if she asks the right questions Trump's stupidity will dig his own grave.
Sadly this is a mea culpa on my part. Back then I was thinking that Trump was only out for Trump which is why the idea of him being not in the pocket of anyone made sense.
He still is but his value is clearly based on how much money he has and if most of that money comes from Russia well then my point back then is now dogshit.
All those bankruptcies actually did matter. It's only now we are understanding how it did.
I have rarely met a libertarian that either wasn't indifferent to Putin or wasn't a fanboy. The fanboys love that Putin is tough and exudes the image of being a man's man while holding a high profile position. The Libertarians that are indifferent don't give a shit about what goes on in other countries.
Because he's severely overleveraged, basically lives on credit, and regularly used bankruptcy to avoid paying back loans.
Vicetrailia
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Interesting.
he's gone bankrupt multiple times and is an obvious scam artist with no investment potential
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/347191326112112640
Ether_Snake
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Would be great for a journalist to ask hil what he thinks or norad and the artic circle.
After he wins no one will care.
What parts of the media? The NY Times and Washington Post have been hammering away at this the past week.
DontBeThatGuy
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Network media, probably.
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Also another reason the intelligence agencies won't touch this is that if they did and it came out, they would face the wrath of the Republican party and the Democrats would have to follow along because it would raise huge issues regarding those agencies' neutrality. They can only let politicians handle this publicly.
The we-don't-do-investigative-journalism-because-that-would-be-unfair/biased media.
The we-don't-do-investigative-journalism-because-that-would-be-unfair/biased media.
Darth Ghandi
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Sure this is mostly circumstantial. Drumpf could just release his tax returns and that would lay it all to rest.
balladofwindfishes
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It's not mandatory, just strongly encouraged and is a precedent.
AmaterasuOni
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The popcorn intensifies. We're living in an interesting time. Loads of popcorn.
And these Putin connections have been known for a long time. I have no idea why it hasn't been used as a weapon against Trump. My guess is that USA is too dependent of Russia's and China's moneys these days. They can't afford to piss that money off.
If Trump is elected, the best case scenario would be a tightening co-operation with Putin (in the Middle-East region). I'd support that. And I'd guess worst case scenario would be some kind of blackmail case from the East.
It's popcorn time!
And these Putin connections have been known for a long time. I have no idea why it hasn't been used as a weapon against Trump. My guess is that USA is too dependent of Russia's and China's moneys these days. They can't afford to piss that money off.
If Trump is elected, the best case scenario would be a tightening co-operation with Putin (in the Middle-East region). I'd support that. And I'd guess worst case scenario would be some kind of blackmail case from the East.
It's popcorn time!
There is very little Russian investment in the United States and US investment in Russia by multinationals is a blip on their corporate radar.
If I had to guess, they wanted to wait until he was formally selected as the candidate.
Otherwise I have no clue.
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