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Trump's ties to Putin and other Russian Oligarchs
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The US is dependent on Russia's money...?
Gnome Scat
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These ties seem especially dangerous since Trump wants to withdraw from NATO and not defend the Baltic States.
Riposte
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2012: this dumbass thinks Russia is a threat
2016: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/757255490866933760
2016: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/757255490866933760
gutter_trash
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it is blatantly obvious:
a) Trump's anti EU stance, his clumsey Brexit remarks.
b) Trump to treat NATO like Real Estate and allow Russia to roll through the Baltics
c) Paul Manafrort being an stooge the Pro-Putin Oligarchs in Ukraine
d) Trump's lazy remarks embracing Edrogan's authoritarianism in Turkey
now these Wikileaks
a) Trump's anti EU stance, his clumsey Brexit remarks.
b) Trump to treat NATO like Real Estate and allow Russia to roll through the Baltics
c) Paul Manafrort being an stooge the Pro-Putin Oligarchs in Ukraine
d) Trump's lazy remarks embracing Edrogan's authoritarianism in Turkey
now these Wikileaks
SenjutsuSage
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And idiots want this clown to run our country lol.
IggyChooChoo
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Since I haven't seen the Kristol piece specifically linked: Weekly Standard echoing similar points to what Josh Marshall, Jonathan Chait, and Slate have made.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/putins-party/article/2003473
Hillary campaign directly naming Putin as behind the DNC hack/WikiLeaks timed release:
Josh Rogin ‏@joshrogin
Clinton campaign manager says the Russian government stole the DNC emails to help Trump.
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/757245380446781441
WikiLeaks threatening MSNBC reporter for reporting on WL-Putin connection. Maybe she should have just leaked their credit card numbers and passports anonymously instead:
WikiLeaksVerified account‏@wikileaks
@JoyAnnReid You are pushing a discredited conspiracy theory. There is no affinity, whatsoever. Our lawyers will monitor your program.
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/757092238400913408
Wikileaks basically threatening to sue someone over libel?
Well, I think we an wrap up the Trump connection right there since that pretty much seals it.
Most haven't been put to the test yet. We'll see their reaction over this week and the next.
PantherLotus
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Some thoughts:
-- If your pushback on this is 'well the CIA, NSA, etc. would know and would stop it..', I only ask you to think about how those agencies were used in an effort to go to war in Iraq. These are not omnipotent agencies that get to decide the law.
-- If your pushback on this is that this is fucking crazy, you're right. This is insanity of the highest order ... and yet, Donald Trump a racist, xenophobic, ignorant con-man reality star is on the doorstep of the most powerful office in the world.
-- If your pushback on this is this is just TPM's Josh Marshall editorializing and stringing together circumstantial evidence, that's just not completely true. This story and these facts have been picked up by several outlets: It's a fact he's been borrowing money from Russian sources for years. It's a fact Trump has a pro-Putin stance in everything he's said from day 1 as a candidate. It's a fact Trump's team removed language on Ukraine from the GOP platform. It's a fact Trump questioned whether or not the US would come to the aid of its NATO allies. These aren't "he likes Putin so maybe he's a spy" theories. These are facts when taken together present a deeply troubling amount of evidence that Trump's motivations are clearly compromised. And that's the BEST reading of the evidence.
-- That Manafort worked for a pro-Russian Ukraine and these WikiLeaks DNC releases follow Russian infiltration is circumstantial can't be denied, but they too are facts.
-- And you can't say any of the above about any other candidate. NONE! You think Hillary, Bernie, Cruz, or Rubio would be caught within a mile of Russian influence or questioning commitments to NATO allies?
-- If your pushback is 'this has been happening in Britain for years', I'm not sure that's a good argument, esp following Brexit and the increasing destabilization of Europe for years.
I dunno. The only argument to this being scary as shit that I've seen work is that this is too textbook comicbook-level villainy to be possible. And yet...
-- If your pushback on this is 'well the CIA, NSA, etc. would know and would stop it..', I only ask you to think about how those agencies were used in an effort to go to war in Iraq. These are not omnipotent agencies that get to decide the law.
-- If your pushback on this is that this is fucking crazy, you're right. This is insanity of the highest order ... and yet, Donald Trump a racist, xenophobic, ignorant con-man reality star is on the doorstep of the most powerful office in the world.
-- If your pushback on this is this is just TPM's Josh Marshall editorializing and stringing together circumstantial evidence, that's just not completely true. This story and these facts have been picked up by several outlets: It's a fact he's been borrowing money from Russian sources for years. It's a fact Trump has a pro-Putin stance in everything he's said from day 1 as a candidate. It's a fact Trump's team removed language on Ukraine from the GOP platform. It's a fact Trump questioned whether or not the US would come to the aid of its NATO allies. These aren't "he likes Putin so maybe he's a spy" theories. These are facts when taken together present a deeply troubling amount of evidence that Trump's motivations are clearly compromised. And that's the BEST reading of the evidence.
-- That Manafort worked for a pro-Russian Ukraine and these WikiLeaks DNC releases follow Russian infiltration is circumstantial can't be denied, but they too are facts.
-- And you can't say any of the above about any other candidate. NONE! You think Hillary, Bernie, Cruz, or Rubio would be caught within a mile of Russian influence or questioning commitments to NATO allies?
-- If your pushback is 'this has been happening in Britain for years', I'm not sure that's a good argument, esp following Brexit and the increasing destabilization of Europe for years.
I dunno. The only argument to this being scary as shit that I've seen work is that this is too textbook comicbook-level villainy to be possible. And yet...
I suppose they were referring to a Kristol tweet:
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/757189277092577281
After gaslighting Bernie supporters about DNC bias, now they want people to believe this bullshit. Just end this election already.
Well, how do you explain this?
And the problem with comparing this to the Bernie DNC thing is that no one can actually point to an action that hurt or suppressed the Sanders campaign. The Russia thing is a lot of connecting the dots, but we don't even have a fucking dot for the Bernie-Sanders thing. Without a dot it is simply impossible for there to be collusion.
And not too many people are claiming that Trump is a spy in this thread. It is just that the ties and links are very disturbing. And I think the best interpretation that you can make out of this is that since Trump has had a good business relationship with the Russians (them basically bankrolling him while they probably lose money) that he thinks they are friendly and great and are good friends. As president, he wants to be better friends with such good guys and is willing to fuck over are allies and destroy the basis of our world security system to do it (I doubt he realizes this).
All of that is just simply bullshit that we shouldnt worry about? Okay...
You should be worried that he is apparently so easily manipulated.
And even that best interpretation doesn't totally explain the whole Ukraine-Russia GOP platform thing.
Androidsleeps
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This is not the kind of pivot I expected.
Bruce Springsteen
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He will show it when he wins, he won't win, so he'll never show it
The Washington Post is starting to piece together further ties between Russia and Trump with the email release.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
This needs to trend in Twitter.
A smoking gun isn't needed Bernie supporters saw the result. We watched the media news and the actions of the DNC suppressing Bernie and O'Malley while elevating Hillary. The emails just confirm what we already knew.
He changed the party platform about Ukraine. Where is the direct link to Russia? I can make the same remarks about the blurry links between Saudi Arabia with the gulf states and the Clinton Foundation.
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Comrade Trump and vice-president My Pants.
So you know it in your 'feelings' that Bernie was suppressed, but can't point to anything specific at all. What a joke.
I am not even asking for a smoking gun. I am asking for actions that could be possibly be tied back to the DNC that suppressed the Sanders campaign. If you don't even have that all you have is a pathetic persecution and poor loser complex.
You don't find it disturbing that the only thing he cared about in the GOP's platform was to ensure that it no longer include arming Ukraine to kick out the Russians? Again, that is a credible position to hold, but what is disturbing is that it was the ONLY thing in the GOP platform that Trump cared about.
What is disturbing is that these links are turning into actual policy - like the Ukraine GOP platform and not coming to the defense of NATO allies? I mean, who benefits from that? Obviously Russia.
ClosingADoor
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I can't anymore. How has the Republican party not booted this man and went with another candidate.
It's not feelings. Read my post. We saw months of media coverage and how the DNC behaved towards Bernie and O'Malley. Why would we need more proof? The number of debates were cut. Tulsi resigned from the DNC that will have negative consequences for her career in the party because she thought the DNC was not behaving impartially and favoring Hillary.
Morrigan Stark
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B-b-but Crooked Hillary is corrupt and greedy you guys! She's in the pocket of Wall Street!
I guess we can give a pass to Trump being greedy and corrupt since he's not in the pocket of Wall Street (though he totally is, too) but instead, of corrupt Russian interest groups!
...Or something. I don't know. I can't set my brain to "Trump supporter mode" whatsoever, the mental gymnastics are far too difficult.
Trump is really a perfect useful idiot for Putin.
I guess we can give a pass to Trump being greedy and corrupt since he's not in the pocket of Wall Street (though he totally is, too) but instead, of corrupt Russian interest groups!
...Or something. I don't know. I can't set my brain to "Trump supporter mode" whatsoever, the mental gymnastics are far too difficult.
Reality has a liberal bias, after all. ^^
Fuck, I hadn't even thought of that, but it does fit. Yikes.
Trump is really a perfect useful idiot for Putin.
Look at your preceding sentence perhaps as a very worrying link to Russia?
He's already crossed over into surreal, darkest timeline territory so why not?
Where are the direct links between Trump and Russia? There isn't any because this a non-story reaction spin towards the leaks.
This such a weird moment in history when a group that wants to turn back the clock to a time period where we also persecuted people for possibly being commies is now under threat of having half their constituents supporting a sympathizer for KGB style law and order.
Unreal.
Morrigan Stark
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Did you not read the article? What would be a "direct link" for you? A secret video of Putin handing over a big bag of money with dollar signs on it?
Indeed, it is the fact that he ONLY cared about that one singular and specific issue on the platform in conjunction with the contextual details that raises my suspicions. Everything else on his foreign policy agenda is vague demagoguery about taking the oil with no thought for the logistics that would entail, building walls that Mexico will pay for because of black boxed magic negotiations, and some form of banning Muslims. He didn't give a single fuck when the GOP undermined his strategic ambivalence on LGBT issues by adding an amendment to the platform to endorse the torture of gay children or any of the other madness that was adopted... But a pledge to support Ukraine against Putin's overreach? Absolutely unacceptable and met with anger until it was changed.
Just makes you think.
TheLaughingStock
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Interesting scoop but I'm confused by the article as far as the money. Deutsche Bank is providing the financing or is the author really claiming that foreign money from Russia/Kazakhstan is circulating in the US banking system?
You thinking that the media was biased against Sanders and favored Clinton is just simply more feelings if you don't have proof. And you linking a few negative articles by news organizations is not proof. Moreover, you now expanded the collusion to not only the DNC and Hillary, but to the media as well.
And how did the DNC behave towards Bernie and O'Malley? How did they treat them badly and give Hilary and unfair advantage? I want an example
Hilary did not do the last debate because it was pointless for her to debate against someone who she already beat. How exactly does a reasonable action taken by Clinton show favoritism by the DNC?
Again, don't just rely on Tulsi's feelings. Show some action that was taken by the DNC that hurt the Sanders campaign. What did the DNC? Provide examples
You say you have more than feelings and actual actions, but feelings are all you have.
The gymnastics of logic you are engaging in is pretty amazing TBH.
Yes, I read the OP. Direct link would be something better than what is listed in the OP. There's nothing there. You don't know me if you think I don't give a shit about the Ukrainian conflict.
EatinOlives
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Is there mustache twirling and villainous cackling in said video?
Because it's not hard proof unless there's mustache twirling and villainous cackling.
I gave you an example the number debates were cut. Both O'Malley and Sanders complained about it very early on and nothing was done about it until election results starting coming in. O'Malley didn't have a chance after that. Tulsi actions wasn't a feeling she saw bias,left, and complained about it to the media to the detriment to her political career. She wouldn't do that over just feelings. It's too numerous to list where the media failed this primary. Showing an empty podium over a Bernie speech after an election was a highlight.
Palette Swap
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Then again, it might just be that Trump's idiotic isolationism plays right into Putin's hand. He's pretty much said fuck you to Japan and South Korea as well.
Again, when Putin is owed favors or money through proxies by all the European authoritarian far rights, it doesn't mean they all meet in secret and swear allegiance to Eternal Mother Russia and its Glorious Father, it just means Putin is seeing opportunities everywhere in the first world to undo any meaningful international solidarity.
The Trumps, Le Pens, Berlusconis, Farrages, Wielders, Orbans of this world aren't Machiavellian, they're just people who figured blaming the rest of the world for their problems could land them in power.
In that regard, Putin is like a mob boss who walked in on a room full of two bit pimps and figured he could use their collective muscle and idiocy.
It makes sense if someone puts Bernie being unfairly targeted by the DNC, Clinton, and the media and that is why Bernie lost as their central narrative. If every one of their thought processes revolves around that then the disturbing long-time ties of Trump and Putin + Oligarchs are just a sideshow to explain away the evil corruption of the DNC and Hilary.
I imagine that is how you get some people on the hard left defending Russia and other nations because all they care about is fighting against the evil Western Imperialists.
What is kinda funny is that the article didnt even bring up the freakin leaks, or maybe just mentioned it casually in a sentence (I forget), but somehow this piece was purposely done to be spin
Not to mention that the writer was building his story BEFORE the wikileaks thing happened
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/756539175399284737
But no, it all must be a plot to explain away the DNC-Bernie thing. Christ...
I'll give you that the debates are a decent point (I thought you were talking about the California one), but all parties have to agree to those terms. Could the DNC really force Clinton, the front runner of the debate to do more than she really wanted when Clinton was the only major player and draw when this was decided?
Maybe the DNC did favor Clinton in that, but you can come up with a reasonable explanation where Clinton simply used her much greater celebrity, draw and front runner status to have the structure of the debates go more her way. Long-shot candidates always want more debates and complain about that sort of thing and front runners want less. This is nothing new and the front runners usually get what they want unless they are in a stacked field.
And Sanders and O'Malley really never had a chance to begin with. Momentum simply didn't exist. Teasing out the demographics in the primaries pretty conclusively proved it.
As for the rest, just a bunch of feelings.
Pretty sure he is retired (still worrying though)
He also posted something anti-semitic on twitter. Its been deleted now, but Trump sure has been linked to some swell people, huh?
maquiladora
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Former Senior Advisor to Obama, David Axelrod
this whole tweet chain is incredible: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/757092784331300864
e. max keiser works for russia today's american branch (putin-controlled state media)
e. max keiser works for russia today's american branch (putin-controlled state media)
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