CNN/ORC Poll: Trump 44%, Clinton 39%, Johnson 9%, Stein 3%

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Sorc3r3r said:
Absolutely.

But Clinton is not much better.

And if on one side Trump is untested as politician, on the other side Clinton during her experience in the Obama administration has showed to be at least shady in her decisions and behaviour.

Looking from the other side of the Atlantic the choice seems to be in line with that famous south park episode.
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i refuse to entertain this election as a choice between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche.

If you view it like that, it just shows you haven't looked into both candidates character, opinions and experience, or you just don't give a fuck. The degree to which both candidates have their "cons", isn't even in the same ballpark.

It's hard (impossible) to write this post without antagonizing you, Sorc3r3r, but I don't know how else to put it. I just shake my head in disbelief when I read stuff like this.
 
Ugh, my niece (who is super liberal) is considering voting for Gary Johnson.

She's Bernie or bust, and dislikes Clinton. It's pretty depressing.
 
Y2Kev said:
It's not a confidence thing. I believe she will win, but the important thing is that people not panic about every little thing and miss the forest for the trees. It's hard in the thick of it. :)

^ like such
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I understand that, yeah. Just thought I'd see your viewpoint and all, since you tend to be one of more reasonable and knowledgeable political posters here.
 
It's crazy. You can tell people repeatedly that convention boosts happen, and that polling is unreliable during this time in an election, and they'll ignore it every time. You see it all the time in the punditry, who are people who get paid to know better.
 
Measley said:
Ugh, my niece (who is super liberal) is considering voting for Gary Johnson.

She's Bernie or bust, and dislikes Clinton. It's pretty depressing.
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she's not actually economically liberal at all then, or she just doesn't understand libertarians well
 
Souldriver said:
i refuse to entertain this election as a choice between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche.

If you view it like that, it just shows you haven't looked into both candidates character, opinions and experience, or you just don't give a fuck. The degree to which both candidates have their "cons", isn't even in the same ballpark.

It's hard (impossible) to write this post without antagonizing you, Sorc3r3r, but I don't know how else to put it. I just shake my head in disbelief when I read stuff like this.
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I've tried to explain my view in the the replies above.
 
Souldriver said:
i refuse to entertain this election as a choice between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche.

If you view it like that, it just shows you haven't looked into both candidates character, opinions and experience, or you just don't give a fuck. The degree to which both candidates have their "cons", isn't even in the same ballpark.

It's hard (impossible) to write this post without antagonizing you, Sorc3r3r, but I don't know how else to put it. I just shake my head in disbelief when I read stuff like this.
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It's usually a result of extremely lazy thinking, tbqf.
 
Eidan said:
It's crazy. You can tell people repeatedly that convention boosts happen, and that polling is unreliable during this time in an election, and they'll ignore it every time. You see it all the time in the punditry, who are people who get paid to know better.
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I think it's Brexit and the fact that Trump managed to get this far that make people worry a lot despite the context of unreliable polling.
 
Eidan said:
Really? Sure Sanders was "new" for a large portion of the public, but that only means defining him would be that much easier. Non-stop super PAC ads calling him a socialist and citing how high taxes would go under his plans would be very effective.

Essentially, you're kidding yourself if you think Sanders would be doing much better than Clinton is now.
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What about the non-stop ads that have the director of the FBI calling Clinton extremely careless, and catching her in multiple lies? This is a bigger deal than Hilary fans want to admit. I know some gaffers have already blown it off, but that was huge. Clinton has looked very vulnerable since that moment.

Bernie wouldn't have had the same "smoking gun" or whatever you want to call it
 
ApatheticDolphin said:
I think people will quickly grow tired of Trump if he sticks to bullying tactics during the debates. Those who are tuning in to make up their minds between candidates will probably want to hear policy. They already know he can yell at people, they want to see if he really has substance. Maybe I'm overestimating the average viewer though haha.
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You are.
 
jaekeem said:
she's not actually economically liberal at all then, or she just doesn't understand libertarians well
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It's the latter. She's just latching on to whatever 3rd party she sees.

I don't think Johnson will be on the ballot in Ohio, so she'll probably just vote for Stein instead.
 
Eidan said:
It's crazy. You can tell people repeatedly that convention boosts happen, and that polling is unreliable during this time in an election, and they'll ignore it every time. You see it all the time in the punditry, who are people who get paid to know better.
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Pundits do know better, but they are in the business of pushing the narrative of a horse race, so you just need a critical eye to look past the bullshit that the media pushes.

Just wait for the polls to come out post-DNC when suddenly, Hillary rises back above water.
 
Convention bump.

It's good for Dems to stay on their toes for this election, but getting defeatist and hysterical is counterproductive to say the least.
 
BlisterBrown said:
What about the non-stop ads that have the director of the FBI calling Clinton extremely careless, and catching her in multiple lies? This is a bigger deal than Hilary fans want to admit. I know some gaffers have already blown it off, but that was huge. Clinton has looked very vulnerable since that moment
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No one 'blew' it off, but you realize we already saw the results of that, right? Hillary saw a drop already from those, but nothing major. It really didn't have the affect that you, and many conservatives, thought it would, and by election time it'll be much like Benghazi: something that makes conservatives wet down under, but will be old news to anyone who isn't already firmly behind the narrative.
 
Sorc3r3r said:
Absolutely.

But Clinton is not much better.

And if on one side Trump is untested as politician, on the other side Clinton during her experience in the Obama administration has showed to be at least shady in her decisions and behaviour.

Looking from the other side of the Atlantic the choice seems to be in line with that famous south park episode.
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The temptation to hurl so many expletives and insults at you is real.
 
OMG, there's still time to nominate Bernie!!!!!!1 Seriously though, she got this. People need to chill the fuck out and vote when it's time.
 
Speedy Blue Dude said:
Don't worry. We had faith your country would do the right thing. And you did. You passed Brexit.

Have faith we'll do the right thing. Trump will win with 51% if he needs to. But have faith in us.

We'll not only make "America great again!", we'll "Make the Earth great again."

LETS GO (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ ✧ﾟ･: *ヽ(◕ヮ◕ヽ)
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Do you know anything about politics or global relations... like, at all?
 
Lord Frieza said:
No one 'blew' it off, but you realize we already saw the results of that, right? Hillary saw a drop already from those, but nothing major. It really didn't have the affect that you, and many conservatives, thought it would, and by election time it'll be much like Benghazi: something that makes conservatives wet down under, but will be old news to anyone who isn't already firmly behind the narrative.
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But Benghazi was nothing. The emails were something. That video of the FBI director is going to haunt her for the rest of the election. Every debate, Trump is going to have an extremely easy avanue of attack. Republicans can blast clips from that video the entire election, becuase it damages her main selling points: National Security experience and good judgement. I've not been following the pools daily, but I do know that Hillary was a solid 13ish points ahead before this happend.
 
Trump's ahead because he dominates the media. He dominates it with a barrage of stupid stuff, but his name is always up there. I don't think I'm voting this election (my vote doesn't matter in my state anyways), but it does spare me the responsibility of picking between two of the worst candidates in recent history.
 
Imagine Trump winning and having two (including the current one) or potentially more Supreme Court spots to fill. Ginsberg is currently 83 and Breyer is going to be 78 next month and at the very least the odds of Ginsberg not lasting another four years is pretty damn high.
 
Intheflorsh said:
Convention bump.

It's good for Dems to stay on their toes for this election, but getting defeatist and hysterical is counterproductive to say the least.
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As someone who has told everyone not to get concerned until after the debates, I'm starting to get concerned. Yes, this should be the convention bump we were all waiting for, but at the same time it's incredible that he even got a convention bump from what was arguably one of the worst conventions in U.S. history. It continues to show that no matter how much Trump messes up, he doesn't lose any support. I've been banking on a disaster during the September debates to completely sink his campaign, but I'm slowly beginning to worry that no one will even care how badly he does.
 
BlisterBrown said:
But Benghazi was nothing. The emails were something. That video of the FBI director is going to haunt her for the rest of the election. Every debate, Trump is going to have an extremely easy avanue of attack. Republicans can blast clips from that video the entire election, becuase it damages her main selling points: National Security experience and good judgement. I've not been following the pools daily, but I do know that Hillary was a solid 13ish points ahead before this happend.
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None of that really contradicts what I said. She's already seen the fallout from that, and no matter how much conservatives will blast it, all those who will be swayed are already swayed, most of which were those already on the right. By election time it'll just be preaching to the choir.
 
Measley said:
I don't see how that is possible given the polling out of the swing states.
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It's literally impossible for Trump to win given the electoral college and the polling of individual states.

National polls are nonsense if they show Trump even has a remote chance of winning.
 
I remember how tight the race seemed in 2012 and on election night they called it for Obama pretty early. Polls are just rough to follow. There is always going to be ups and downs.
 
RoKKeR said:
538 nowcast has Trump at 57% chance, polls plus Hillary 53%. I know convention bump and all but... Jesus.
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Huh?

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I'm deathly afraid that somewhere right now in outer space, an astronaut is going to find himself getting sucked into a wormhole, only to discover that he's jumped forward a thousand years into the future, returning to Earth only to find that the Lincoln Memorial has been replaced with a marble statue of President Donald Trump shitting on a throne made of Mexicans.
 
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