CNN/ORC Poll: Trump 44%, Clinton 39%, Johnson 9%, Stein 3%

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This year has been bad enough, so I got a bad feeling Trump going to office will be the climax for this horrible year. I understand that Numbers are still against him, but I feel that every week something new comes up that hurts Hillary numbers, while there is nothing that will hut Trump numbers. by the time election day comes, Trump number would remain the same while Hilary drop would put him bellow Trump....

What a disaster.
 
CNN polls always show both candidates neck-and-neck and then, come election night, it's a blow out. Gotta keep those viewers engaged somehow.
 
Ultimately, this is what the country deserves. Nominate a weak/damaged (yes she can still be weak even if she got more votes) candidate who coasts by on name recognition. The fact that Trump is doing so well and third party candidates are polling so high is reflective of this. And just wait for more leaks and controversy during the campaign, because as observed since the start of the republic primary process, Donald cannot be taken down by logic or rational thinking and in fact this only seems to help him. And yeah, once they go out and stage and Donald accuses her of being a lying bitch, and Americans are going to eat it up.

To extend an olive branch, I think anyone would have had a hard time going up against Trump, even Bernie, but the democrats really needed to chose someone who wasn't hated as much as Hillary.
 
Trump winning would be something else. The only reason that would make a trump win bearable would be seeing the tears on obama's face
 
To think this won't be the last Trump running for president. You just know that one or more of his kids will make bids in the future.
 
Inspector Jones said:
Ultimately, this is what the country deserves. Nominate a weak/damaged (yes she can still be weak even if she got more votes) candidate who coasts by on name recognition. The fact that Trump is doing so well and third party candidates are polling so high is reflective of this. And just wait for more leaks and controversy during the campaign, because as observed since the start of the republic primary process, Donald cannot be taken down by logic or rational thinking and in fact this only seems to help him. And yeah, once they go out and stage and Donald accuses her of being a lying bitch, and Americans are going to eat it up.

To extend an olive branch, I think anyone would have had a hard time going up against Trump, even Bernie, but the democrats really needed to chose someone who wasn't hated as much as Hillary.
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Trump's supporters will eat it up. Not all of Americans.
 
Inspector Jones said:
Ultimately, this is what the country deserves. Nominate a weak/damaged (yes she can still be weak even if she got more votes) candidate who coasts by on name recognition.

To extend an olive branch, I think anyone would have had a hard time going up against Trump, even Bernie, but the democrats really needed to chose someone who wasn't hated as much as Hillary.
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I agree on the Hillary part. I posted this earlier.

gamechanger87 said:
In all honesty, Kaine was a much better choice for President than Hillary was. If she hadn't already put the bag over the DNC's head and told everyone that she was running and they better not or risk her wrath I could have seen him easily winning the primary and the Bernie insurrection would never have had the legs it did.

The RNC made it so that you could have a bunch of candidates enter the primary's because in their mind over time the wacko candidates would fizzle out (Cain/Santorum) and thus the preferred candidate would end up taking the reigns. Unfortunately, this setup allowed too many primary candidates to stick around steal votes from each other keeping Trump in the game until it was too late.

The DNC pretty much made it so that there was one candidate running and it was set far in advance that Hillary would be it. Thus, no other possible candidates would bother running. Bernie was outside the system and had an agenda so he ran and held on longer than they hoped. Bernie was able to run a lot on her negatives. Thus, the DNC is stuck with a candidate that has an incredibly high unfavorable rating that nullifies Trump unfavorables. Trump ran against her and got there because of it. He would have more difficulties latching onto Kaine's negatives.

If Kaine was at the top of the ticket, I think this would be a whole different election. A lot of people underestimate how much people dislike her.
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Lord Frieza said:
Trump's supporters will eat it up. Not all of Americans.
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Not all of Americans, but I also don't think it'll be restricted to strictly Trump supporters. People liked to be entertained. That said, anyone who knows they're voting for Hillary won't be swayed by petty insults.

But yeah, America is dumb, and it's not wise to put much faith into people.
 
There is such an incredible perfect storm brewing right now that is completely setting the stage for Donald Trump to become President of the United States. The pissed off Bernie Sanders supporters, the DNC email controversy, Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, and so on. It's amazing how much is happening just one after the other, almost as if this is being scripted.

I just watched that Bernie rally and it was one of the oddest things I've ever seen. His die hard supporters booing his mentions of Clinton/Kaine, not booing all that loudly at mentions of Trump and even booing Sanders as he went down a list of his perceived negatives of Trump, their chants, it was crazy. Add to all of that just everything else going on and adding more fuel to the fire for his supporters to turn even more against Clinton and the DNC party as a whole, and it's a worst case scenario for them right now.

I don't put any stock into this guy at all but over at 538 they now have it if the election was held today Trump has overtaken Clinton with a 56.7% chance of winning the election...

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

This is interesting as well...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-a-tough-time-flipping-the-sanders-holdouts/

The DNC better have one hell of a convention or it's going to be a very long and hard Summer for them. We all know that once Trump goes on the attack, once he starts gaining momentum, it's very hard to slow it down...no matter what.

If Donald Trump does indeed win (which I predicted would happen even way back last year), prepare for many years of Trump. As mentioned above, Him becoming President will be the start of a new political dynasty, the sort of which we haven't seen since the Kennedy family.
 
Chris R said:
If you live in a swing state sure. Us living in solid red states can do whatever we want tho, yay Electoral College!
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The Electoral College needs to go. It made sense during the country's inception but now it just serves to annoy people who feel their voices aren't being heard because of it.

I live in NY, I feel the same way. Just had a debate with some gaffers who felt my apathy was abhorrent, but when voting for president is reduced to a symbolic gesture, it's hard to keep one's conviction strong.

*Edit*

Lured Pokestops at all election booths on election day. All that needs to be done.
 
Inspector Jones said:
Not all of Americans, but I also don't think it'll be restricted to strictly Trump supporters. People liked to be entertained. That said, anyone who knows they're voting for Hillary won't be swayed by petty insults.
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O...kay? Then I'm not sure what your point ultimately was then since you don't think insults will sway anyone who hasn't been swayed.

But yeah, America is dumb, and it's not wise to put much faith into people.
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I have enough faith in the American people as a whole not to elect Trump. And numbers, for the most part, back that up. Of course, it could change, but I see no real indication that Trump will win this election, and I think the thing that got him here is the thing that will ultimately keep him from the ultimate goal.

The very fact he got as far as he did is concerning, though.
 
Chris R said:
If you live in a swing state sure. Us living in solid red states can do whatever we want tho, yay Electoral College!
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Honestly, if every liberal (including those who don't vote at all because "it won't matter") voted Democrat in the election, even the reddest states would turn blue
 
Downhome said:
The DNC better have one hell of a convention or it's going to be a very long and hard Summer for them. We all know that once Trump goes on the attack, once he starts gaining momentum, it's very hard to slow it down...no matter what.
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Statements like these are so weird. It totally discounts the fact that Hilary will continue to campaign as well. It's like everyone is expecting her to just stop campaigning after the DNC is over, which I really don't understand. If anyone is going to have reduced campaigning, it'll be Trump, since his campaign funds are low as of now.
 
Lord Frieza said:
Statements like these are so weird. It totally discounts the fact that Hilary will continue to campaign as well. It's like everyone is expecting her to just stop campaigning after the DNC is over, which I really don't understand. If anyone is going to have reduced campaigning, it'll be Trump, since his campaign funds are low as of now.
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Trump's RNC opponents kept campaigning till (after) the end as well...
 
Lord Frieza said:
Statements like these are so weird. It totally discounts the fact that Hilary will continue to campaign as well. It's like everyone is expecting her to just stop campaigning after the DNC is over, which I really don't understand. If anyone is going to have reduced campaigning, it'll be Trump, since his campaign funds are low as of now.
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It's not that they expect her to stop campaigning, it's that they expect her to be less effective. The nomination is still fairly fresh in everyone's minds, Trump was not the only one campaigning, but he was the only one who was listened to.

Realistic or not, many expect Clinton to be shouted down. As much as I hate the man I must admit he certainly demands attention.
 
Inspector Jones said:
Ultimately, this is what the country deserves. Nominate a weak/damaged (yes she can still be weak even if she got more votes) candidate who coasts by on name recognition. The fact that Trump is doing so well and third party candidates are polling so high is reflective of this. And just wait for more leaks and controversy during the campaign, because as observed since the start of the republic primary process, Donald cannot be taken down by logic or rational thinking and in fact this only seems to help him. And yeah, once they go out and stage and Donald accuses her of being a lying bitch, and Americans are going to eat it up.

To extend an olive branch, I think anyone would have had a hard time going up against Trump, even Bernie, but the democrats really needed to chose someone who wasn't hated as much as Hillary.
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I hate this "logic".
 
Lord Frieza said:
Statements like these are so weird. It totally discounts the fact that Hilary will continue to campaign as well. It's like everyone is expecting her to just stop campaigning after the DNC is over, which I really don't understand. If anyone is going to have reduced campaigning, it'll be Trump, since his campaign funds are low as of now.
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How is it weird? I didn't say she would just give up, of course not. It's just not a very good environment for her campaign to succeed if she is constantly surrounded by controversy after controversy, along with a nice segment of voters pissed off and just flat out don't like the thought of having to vote for her. They are leaving too many doors open for Trump to take very easy shots. They need a strong convention this week, and that's pretty darn obvious. Trump will not let up, he wont let a moment go by without trying to take advantage of it.

The DNC needs to do all in their power to clear the air, create a better environment for her campaign, or she is going to lose.

I'm halfway shocked that Trump hasn't decided to put together some sort of huge event of his own this week, televised or not. If not all week then certainly the night she is to be nominated.
 
This would have been a lot easier for the DNC if they actually decided to allow a level playing field for Sanders. Had he somehow won the nomination it would be a lot harder for Trump. I'd say the Clinton supporters would be a lot more likely to overlook everything and vote for Sanders than the other way around. As it is, this is the perfect situation for the Trump campaign.
 
Acerac said:
It's not that they expect her to stop campaigning, it's that they expect her to be less effective. The nomination is still fairly fresh in everyone's minds, Trump was not the only one campaigning, but he was the only one who was listened to.

Realistic or not, many expect Clinton to be shouted down. As much as I hate the man I must admit he certainly demands attention.
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The primaries are different than the general election, and people need to understand that.

Downhome said:
How is it weird? I didn't say she would just give up, of course not. It's just not a very good environment for her campaign to succeed if she is constantly surrounded by controversy after controversy, along with a nice segment of voters pissed off and just flat out don't like the thought of having to vote for her. They are leaving too many doors open for Trump to take very easy shots. They need a strong convention this week, and that's pretty darn obvious. Trump will not let up, he wont let a moment go by without trying to take advantage of it.

The DNC needs to do all in their power to clear the air, create a better environment for her campaign, or she is going to lose.

I'm halfway shocked that Trump hasn't decided to put together some sort of huge event of his own this week, televised or not. If not all week then certainly the night she is to be nominated.
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It's weird because of why I said it was weird. You're wording makes it seems like the DNC is some kind of last stand, when Hilary will be campaigning afterward and up until the election, aggressively I'm sure. It's like you, and several others, seem to think she's just going to vanish from the time of the DNC to the general election.
 
Good.
People need to realize a historically unlikeable candidate like Abuela is going to have to fight for the WH no matter her opponent.

Don't get complacent.
 
FlammableD said:
I'm confused. You said Trump's campaign momentum didn't matter because Hillary would keep campaigning against him? The point was he displayed his momentum with multiple candidates coming at him, even after they were eliminated.
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I totally misread your post. I'll rephrase.

Yeah, and? Trump was always ahead in the primaries, which isn't the situation he's in now. The primaries, the situation surrounding them, and how they ultimately function is not a comparable situation to what we have now.
 
Downhome said:
This would have been a lot easier for the DNC if they actually decided to allow a level playing field for Sanders. Had he somehow won the nomination it would be a lot harder for Trump. I'd say the Clinton supporters would be a lot more likely to overlook everything and vote for Sanders than the other way around. As it is, this is the perfect situation for the Trump campaign.
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This is nonsense. He lost by three million votes. He got out there, he debated, he lost. The leaked emailed have shown individuals frustrated with Sanders but that the DNC officials did not allow that to affect how the primary went.

Sanders lost and was never going to win.
 
Lord Frieza said:
The primaries are different than the general election, and people need to understand that.



It's weird because of why I said it was weird. You're wording makes it seems like the DNC is some kind of last stand, when Hilary will be campaigning afterward and up until the election, aggressively I'm sure. It's like you, and several others, seem to think she's just going to vanish from the time of the DNC to the general election.
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We disagree then? That's not at all what I said. This is not a good situation for her, no matter how intensely she campaigns. It's hard for anyone to have positive results with all that is going on. They need their side, the controversy, everything to calm down big time. It's hard enough with how strongly Trump goes after folks, but especially when they are dealing with so much crap on their own side.

I just heard on CNN that Trump does indeed have a series of counter programming planned this week. I should have assumed that would happen, haha.
 
Downhome said:
This would have been a lot easier for the DNC if they actually decided to allow a level playing field for Sanders. Had he somehow won the nomination it would be a lot harder for Trump. I'd say the Clinton supporters would be a lot more likely to overlook everything and vote for Sanders than the other way around. As it is, this is the perfect situation for the Trump campaign.
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That's not realistic.

Again, he's not a Democrat, and Hillary has been one of the main players in the party for the last 30 years. Did people really expect the party to show Bernie equal favor? Especially after the BS he pulled with the DNC.
 
If we lose this it will be because the democrat establishment is utterly inept. The republicans are divisive, bumbling idiots held together by shared hatred.. the idea that their prospects are looking better than the democrats today is just so sad.

DNC, if you're going to scheme to slant the primary towards your preferred candidate you can't make it so easy to see through you. Either fly right and be fair or be so super secret in your methods that nobody can ever see what you did. What's sad is that the leaked e-mails merely confirmed what we all thought.
 
Downhome said:
This would have been a lot easier for the DNC if they actually decided to allow a level playing field for Sanders. Had he somehow won the nomination it would be a lot harder for Trump. I'd say the Clinton supporters would be a lot more likely to overlook everything and vote for Sanders than the other way around. As it is, this is the perfect situation for the Trump campaign.
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What does that even mean?
 
excelsiorlef said:
This is nonsense. He lost by three million votes. He got out there, he debated, he lost. The leaked emailed have shown individuals frustrated with Sanders but that the DNC officials did not allow that to affect how the primary went.

Sanders lost and was never going to win.
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It is time to accept the truth, Bernie was polling better against Trump not because he wasn't "vetted", but because:
1. the narrative of this election is pro- anti establishment / pro populism
2. Because of that, he does better with independents and white males
3. He gets the de facto liberal alliance (minorities + women, they all hate trump's guts and wouldn't be voting him regardless) plus a lot of angry white males who prefer him over Trump when given an option.

I mean yeah, he lost. But he still was a strongest bet against Trump given the current political circumstances.
 
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