CNN/ORC Poll: Trump 44%, Clinton 39%, Johnson 9%, Stein 3%

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Lamel said:
Damn Melanias approval increased?

Seriously all press is good press for trump
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I think the bar was so low just about anything above dumpster fire at RNC was a "win"

all par for the course though... each party gets their convention, each gets their moment of sunshine
 
After seeing all the arguments for trump and against Hillary from both republicans AND democrats I'm convinced trump is a possibility. People don't take votes and elections that seriously, which is a big reason lots of people don't even bother to bot. Inside people think it's kind of rigged anyway, don't care, or have too much emotional baggage to make rational choices even if they do bother.

Lots of people think it doesn't even matter who the president is really, so they only vote for people they kind of like. And trump is waaaaaaaaay more likeable than Hillary. Dude is an entertainer
 
Paradoxal_Utopia said:
Fucking hilarious. This was the single biggest, most controversial, most negative story of the convention, and it gave her almost a 20% bump. For plagiarizing a speech? Only plausible rational I think can think of is "she's hot".
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The far more rational thing is "it's not her fault". Everyone knows someone else writes those speeches. Her role was likely to confirm that it sounds good to her and fits as something she'd say. If someone gave me a speech like that to read, I wouldn't think of running it through a DupliChecker or whatever myself, I'd trust the writer has done their job. And I sure as hell wouldn't expect anyone to have the political speeches of the past memorized enough to notice something like that just by reading.

I know everyone clinged on that like it was some big thing, but I thought that was like a drop in the ocean compared to some of the stuff coming from Trump himself that didn't seem to damage him at all over the past months.

Maxim726X said:
It's exactly like I said in the thread about this: The more we talk about it, the less of an effect it has.

Now she's seen as almost a tragic figure who needs to be defended from the liberal attack machine.
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Basically. The outrage over this has been absurdly disproportional to anything she, herself could have done to prevent it from happening. If you're trying to out-yell republicans, you better have something very solid to yell about.
 
Cyrano said:
So it's a more general distrust of politicians altogether.
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Finally, someone gets it.

The system we have isn't working for the median American. They aren't getting raises. They excitedly watch huge healthcare legislation get passed, followed by increased premiums. They watch mass shootings followed by total stagnation on Congress. They watch Zika funding fail to pass with fault on both sides. They watch government get all riled up about the most pedantic bullshit (ex: bathroom legislation). All while watching the 1% skyrocket in wealth.

The system we have isn't working for the median American. It's no surprise that many are ready to burn it down and rebuild.
 
If anything, this further confirms that all this reporting about all this extra nonsense doesn't mean anything. Most people just watched it, heard Trump is good and Clinton is bad and left with that impression. Now Dems get 4 days of the same despite whatever the media is focused on.

It's basically two weeks of infomercials.
 
Mattenth said:
Finally, someone gets it.

The system we have isn't working for the median American. They aren't getting raises. They excitedly watch huge healthcare legislation get passed, followed by increased premiums. They watch mass shootings followed by total stagnation on Congress. They watch Zika funding fail to pass with fault on both sides. They watch government get all riled up about the most pedantic bullshit (ex: bathroom legislation). All while watching the 1% skyrocket in wealth.

The system we have isn't working for the median American. It's no surprise that many are ready to burn it down and rebuild.
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This is basically the entire Republican strategy.
 
wumster3000 said:
Usually that word is reserved for women correct?
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In British (and by extension Australian) language/slang cunt is pretty much equivalent to the US "fucker", although not as harsh, and still nongender specific.

A lot of people use it that way here in NA as well, so it doesn't always have to be specifically about women.
 
eBay Huckster said:
i feel like it's one national poll that is literally still in fucking july
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That's not going to wash. This has been going on too long now to be dismissed as 'just one poll'.

Complacency will seal it in the US. Make sure you vote. Make everyone else vote.

We've seen what can happen in the UK. Fuck, we've seen it in the US.

Don't just sleepwalk into this FFS.
 
Yeah, I didn't mean his wife. Should probably clean up my language, apologies for that but it was directed at Trump.
 
Jebusman said:
In British (and by extension Australian) language/slang cunt is pretty much equivalent to the US "fucker", nongender specific.

A lot of people use it that way here in NA as well, so it doesn't always have to be specifically about women.
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LJ11 said:
Yeah, I didn't mean his wife. Should probably clean up my language, apologies for that but it was directed at Trump.
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Thanks for explaining. I always associated with a strong dislike for women.

Apologies LJ11
 
As one of the few conservatives in here gaf, I'd say you need to realize that Trump supporters see him as the only candidate that has addressed their problem. He may be for himself, but that is better than being for the elites in DC, Democrats and Republicans alike. He is the only one directly talking about the problem of factory and construction jobs @ $25 hr being replaced by medical and service jobs that pay @ $15. And, that is when they can get replacement work and unemployed or on disability. Blaming immigrants and bad trade deals with no actual policy prescription speaks directly to their anxiety. The liberal goals of let's send more people to college, raising minimum wage, and unionizing low paid service workers does nothing for them. They know they aren't smart enough to get in to college, and they want their old high pay work back.



/depressed Rubio supporter
 
Mattenth said:
Finally, someone gets it.

The system we have isn't working for the median American. They aren't getting raises. They excitedly watch huge healthcare legislation get passed, followed by increased premiums. They watch mass shootings followed by total stagnation on Congress. They watch Zika funding fail to pass with fault on both sides. They watch government get all riled up about the most pedantic bullshit (ex: bathroom legislation). All while watching the 1% skyrocket in wealth.

The system we have isn't working for the median American. It's no surprise that many are ready to burn it down and rebuild.
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What has Trump ever done to not increase that disparity between the 1% and everyone else? How would he fix that problem and not simply make it worse?
 
Subitai said:
As one of the few conservatives in here gaf, I'd say you need to realize that Trump supporters see him as the only candidate that has addressed their problem. He may be for himself, but that is better than being for the elites in DC, Democrats and Republicans alike. He is the only one directly talking about the problem of factory and construction jobs @ $25 hr being replaced by medical and service jobs that pay @ $15. And, that is when they can get replacement work and unemployed or on disability. Blaming immigrants and bad trade deals with no actual policy prescription speaks directly to their anxiety. The liberal goals of let's send more people to college, raising minimum wage, and unionizing low paid service workers does nothing for them. They know they aren't smart enough to get in to college, and they want their old high pay work back.



/depressed Rubio supporter
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Agreed.

/other depressed Rubio supporter
 
Subitai said:
As one of the few conservatives in here gaf, I'd say you need to realize that Trump supporters see him as the only candidate that has addressed their problem. He may be for himself, but that is better than being for the elites in DC, Democrats and Republicans alike. He is the only one directly talking about the problem of factory and construction jobs @ $25 hr being replaced by medical and service jobs that pay @ $15. And, that is when they can get replacement work and unemployed or on disability. Blaming immigrants and bad trade deals with no actual policy prescription speaks directly to their anxiety. The liberal goals of let's send more people to college, raising minimum wage, and unionizing low paid service workers does nothing for them. They know they aren't smart enough to get in to college, and they want their old high pay work back.



/depressed Rubio supporter
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Demagoguery doesn't get you anywhere either.
 
Shit I'm getting scared. How do people even consider a cartoon character who is so completely inept.

Man I guess Hilary is just that boring and damaged over the years. She needs to get this shit turned around and squeak out the win.
 
QuantumZebra said:
Again - there is no reason to worry about that. Just a conv. bump.

We should all be fearful of a Trump presidency, and we all need to vote, BUT its not time to freak out yet.
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The fact that he's getting any votes at all, hell the fact that he's become the nominee, makes it time to freak out.

Trump has a very real chance of winning. I don't get why anyone thinks otherwise. Even if Hilary wins 52/48, that still means that Trump had an actual shot. That alone should be enough to make people freak out.

No, now is definitely the time to start freaking out. And they shouldn't relax those shoulder muscles until either A) Trumps numbers drop insanely low to the point that it IS a sure thing he won't get elected, or B) Hilary wins.

Otherwise, prepare your anus.
 
Subitai said:
As one of the few conservatives in here gaf, I'd say you need to realize that Trump supporters see him as the only candidate that has addressed their problem. He may be for himself, but that is better than being for the elites in DC, Democrats and Republicans alike. He is the only one directly talking about the problem of factory and construction jobs @ $25 hr being replaced by medical and service jobs that pay @ $15. And, that is when they can get replacement work and unemployed or on disability. Blaming immigrants and bad trade deals with no actual policy prescription speaks directly to their anxiety. The liberal goals of let's send more people to college, raising minimum wage, and unionizing low paid service workers does nothing for them. They know they aren't smart enough to get in to college, and they want their old high pay work back.



/depressed Rubio supporter
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gamechanger87 said:
Agreed.

/other depressed Rubio supporter
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Agreed.

One of my main issues with Clinton is her avoidance of the fact that the US is in decline and Americans are getting poorer.
 
Subitai said:
As one of the few conservatives in here gaf, I'd say you need to realize that Trump supporters see him as the only candidate that has addressed their problem. He may be for himself, but that is better than being for the elites in DC, Democrats and Republicans alike. He is the only one directly talking about the problem of factory and construction jobs @ $25 hr being replaced by medical and service jobs that pay @ $15. And, that is when they can get replacement work and unemployed or on disability. Blaming immigrants and bad trade deals with no actual policy prescription speaks directly to their anxiety. The liberal goals of let's send more people to college, raising minimum wage, and unionizing low paid service workers does nothing for them. They know they aren't smart enough to get in to college, and they want their old high pay work back.



/depressed Rubio supporter
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how do you propose that companies choose to pay more for human labor than cheaper robotics or outsourcing?
 
Jesus Christ,

Chicken littles.

This is fine. Mittens and McCain both lead in multiple polls in multiple battle ground states and nationally at various points in time and they lost in a blowout.

Sit down and lets all wait a few weeks to see where the race actually is. This Russian shit isn't helping things, but the Dem convention is this week. If the Bernie Bros don't fuck us entirely the Dems will see a similar if not better bump.

The internals in this poll are still bad news for Trump. He's losing college educated whites and picking up non-college educated in higher numbers, and losing young voters and minorities in greater numbers than before.

This feels more like a consolidation of his base, which could very well be running up the score in non battle ground states. Until we start seeing polling 30 days from now that show him leading in VA, FL, PA, MI, WI I am not worried.
 
LJ11 said:
Can you imagine Obama having to host this cunt as president elect? Disgusting.
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Subitai said:
As one of the few conservatives in here gaf, I'd say you need to realize that Trump supporters see him as the only candidate that has addressed their problem. He may be for himself, but that is better than being for the elites in DC, Democrats and Republicans alike. He is the only one directly talking about the problem of factory and construction jobs @ $25 hr being replaced by medical and service jobs that pay @ $15. And, that is when they can get replacement work and unemployed or on disability. Blaming immigrants and bad trade deals with no actual policy prescription speaks directly to their anxiety. The liberal goals of let's send more people to college, raising minimum wage, and unionizing low paid service workers does nothing for them. They know they aren't smart enough to get in to college, and they want their old high pay work back.



/depressed Rubio supporter
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That's not true. Democrats have addressed it too. The difference is, Democrats -- like Obama or Hillary -- acknowledge that a lot of those jobs simply aren't going to come back. Trump is the one telling them they'll get their jobs back and be #1 again. It's a complete lie, but it's what blue-collar whites want to hear. They don't want to hear about job retraining or more affordable college; they're not looking for another go-around, they just want what they had back.

And I can understand that anxiety. But what Trump is promising is not going to happen.
 
I'm terrified that so much of the electorate is willing to give him a free pass on ineptitude, misogyny, and racism. Or rather, so much of the electorate *agrees* with his ineptitude, misogyny, and racism.
 
Clockwork5 said:
Agreed.

One of my main issues with Clinton is her avoidance of the fact that the US is in decline and Americans are getting poorer.
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She doesn't avoid it. The problem is that her responses are the same policy responses that have been thrown out for years and they don't resonate with the populace.
 
StoOgE said:
Jesus Christ,

Chicken littles.

This is fine. Mittens and McCain both lead in multiple polls in multiple battle ground states and nationally at various points in time and they lost in a blowout.

Sit down and lets all wait a few weeks to see where the race actually is. This Russian shit isn't helping things, but the Dem convention is this week. If the Bernie Bros don't fuck us entirely the Dems will see a similar if not better bump.

The internals in this poll are still bad news for Trump. He's losing college educated whites and picking up non-college educated in higher numbers, and losing young voters and minorities in greater numbers than before.

This feels more like a consolidation of his base, which could very well be running up the score in non battle ground states. Until we start seeing polling 30 days from now that show him leading in VA, FL, PA, MI, WI I am not worried.
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Given the stakes, and what happened with the Brexit, I don't think it's very much surprising that a number of people will be sitting on the edge of their seat right until all of this is over.
 
Subitai said:
As one of the few conservatives in here gaf, I'd say you need to realize that Trump supporters see him as the only candidate that has addressed their problem. He may be for himself, but that is better than being for the elites in DC, Democrats and Republicans alike. He is the only one directly talking about the problem of factory and construction jobs @ $25 hr being replaced by medical and service jobs that pay @ $15. And, that is when they can get replacement work and unemployed or on disability. Blaming immigrants and bad trade deals with no actual policy prescription speaks directly to their anxiety. The liberal goals of let's send more people to college, raising minimum wage, and unionizing low paid service workers does nothing for them. They know they aren't smart enough to get in to college, and they want their old high pay work back.



/depressed Rubio supporter
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They can want it back all they want, and no amount of promises from any politician will ever have that happen.
 
The demographics are still all wrong for Trump. If the bases on both sides come out to play he loses.

His only hope is to gear up the ground game in key swing states in conjunction with suppressing the opposing vote.

Voter suppression tactics is the key for him.
 
Clockwork5 said:
Agreed.

One of my main issues with Clinton is her avoidance of the fact that the US is in decline and Americans are getting poorer.
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This is a huge issue with Hillary, there is a disconnect with a lot of the American public and what she says (separate from the trust issue), it's almost a slap in the face when you have a major political figure basically telling you that you are delusional, and that everything is on the up and up, in fact it's never been better! When tons of them feel the complete opposite. It'll be interesting if she sways a little to the "doom and gloom" side at some point.
 
gutter_trash said:
scrapping Obamacare will sure help those poor people
/s
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And you miss the point. Helping the poor is a different issue than raising the national standard of living. In addition the ACA has seen premiums increase at a double digit rate in places such as California which is just another financial burden on the middle class who are making less money than they used to. But have you heard the Democratic Party speak of the increasingly rising cost of healthcare?

That is exactly the type of defection that fuels Trumps numbers.
 
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