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The Democratic National Convention OT |2016|: The One With the Policy
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They think that because she came out to support Hillary that she betrayed them.
No, she simply endorsed Hillary instead of Bernie. Bernie supporters always believed Warren would endorse them, not Hillary. For whatever reason.
They are mad that Warren chose to be impartial throughout the primaries.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
She's supporting Hillary.
Watching late news coverage here in San Diego, all local stations running with the divisions at the DNC that later disappeared after Obama's and Sanders' speeches, they say.
AND, they're running with the Russian connections to the DNCLeaks. NBC San Diego interviewed several local experts (San Diego has big tech security industry) and all agreed that Putin was likely behind the attack and supporting Trump. Wow. The Putin=Trump link could blowup by tomorrow and do real damage.
AND, they're running with the Russian connections to the DNCLeaks. NBC San Diego interviewed several local experts (San Diego has big tech security industry) and all agreed that Putin was likely behind the attack and supporting Trump. Wow. The Putin=Trump link could blowup by tomorrow and do real damage.
Not news, but holy shit is Jeffrey Lord a colossal turd or what:
http://mediamatters.org/video#watch/727696/page/1
Good on Paul Begala calling his as out.
http://mediamatters.org/video#watch/727696/page/1
Good on Paul Begala calling his as out.
Ultimately the choice this year is clear.
The party of American greatness and family values, or the party that is clearly being influenced by Russian spies to destroy our great country.
WHAT YEAR IS THIS
I will lament the loss of a true Bernie ballot, but I hope there was, and will be, true Bernie / Hillary campaign compromises. It might be coming off as a bit of a placating party stunt, but I don't believe Bernie would fully bow down for mere scraps. There was clearly a lot of passion for him in this country, and he seems like a solid barking dog with bite. I don't think he'll sit silent in a corner.
Overall though, this party and convention seems MUCH more together and with it. Really coordinated and not fueled by jaded disdain, vanity, or power greed. Cory Booker came off as straight-up inspired; fired up. As a NJ-born guy, I appreciated his fervor.
Michelle Obama... god damn. I'm a white male who gets embarrassed to be a white male when I see Trump take to his podium pulpit. But her speech gave me all of the feels. It felt real and human.
I don't put myself in alignment with any political party, and I don't really like Hillary in general, but I appreciate this convention's effort and message so far.
Overall though, this party and convention seems MUCH more together and with it. Really coordinated and not fueled by jaded disdain, vanity, or power greed. Cory Booker came off as straight-up inspired; fired up. As a NJ-born guy, I appreciated his fervor.
Michelle Obama... god damn. I'm a white male who gets embarrassed to be a white male when I see Trump take to his podium pulpit. But her speech gave me all of the feels. It felt real and human.
I don't put myself in alignment with any political party, and I don't really like Hillary in general, but I appreciate this convention's effort and message so far.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
He may never recover from that.
I don't understand what bernie supporters actually want anymore. Bernie himself has endorsed Clinton, a candidate who agrees with him on almost every issue, and with her has brokered a deal that will provide free college education and reduce financial aid (Hopefully that includes me), and ended with the promise that their political revolution will continue on and be supported by a Clinton Administration as their ideals are pushed further.
I know there are some people who are just never going to support hillary because they buy into some insane lie about how she is literally a fusion between Satan and Hitler, but seriously, what more could she do to help get Bernies message out?
BigJonsson
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DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Saw this posted on Twitter. The DNC should start handing out tape at the door.
Despite some rowdy members of the crowd this was a great night for the DNC. I came away feeling insipred.
Cory Booker had is Obama 2004 moment. His speech felt important and he delivered it perfectly. The guy has a lot of charm and barring a political catastrophe he is on the fast track to a presidential run. I thought for sure he was going to have the speech of the night. His closing and the mantra "We will rise" is going to stick with me a while.
I thought that Booker was going to be hard to top but FLOTUS came out and again showed us why she is so beloved. She articulated how irresponsible and despicable Trump is. She's very right about how his candidacy and at worst his Presidency is a terrible example to set for our children. Her describing raising her girls in the White House and teaching them by example I got choked up right there with her. She is an incredible woman and we are going to miss her terribly.
Elizabeth Warren didn't leave much of an impression on me but it has to be incredibly tough to follow FLOTUS. Warren made a good case of why Trump can't be president and reminded us how fucked up Citizens United is. Other than that I can't remember much. Again, not a knock on Warren but Michelle was just that good.
Bernie kinda gave his standard stump speech we've all heard multiple times now for the first half of his time. It definitely got awkward when he changed gears to endorse Clinton and try to get his supporters on board. Maybe it's too much to ask, I dunno, but I hope he tries a bit harder to explain to his followers that even though his candidacy died his platform did not. He and his supporters didn't 'lose'. I think deep down he knew he was the longest's of shots and to get such a large part of his platform into the Democratic platform is a huge win. He should do more to help his supporters that are new to the political process to understand this.
Despite some rowdy members of the crowd this was a great night for the DNC. I came away feeling insipred.
Cory Booker had is Obama 2004 moment. His speech felt important and he delivered it perfectly. The guy has a lot of charm and barring a political catastrophe he is on the fast track to a presidential run. I thought for sure he was going to have the speech of the night. His closing and the mantra "We will rise" is going to stick with me a while.
I thought that Booker was going to be hard to top but FLOTUS came out and again showed us why she is so beloved. She articulated how irresponsible and despicable Trump is. She's very right about how his candidacy and at worst his Presidency is a terrible example to set for our children. Her describing raising her girls in the White House and teaching them by example I got choked up right there with her. She is an incredible woman and we are going to miss her terribly.
Elizabeth Warren didn't leave much of an impression on me but it has to be incredibly tough to follow FLOTUS. Warren made a good case of why Trump can't be president and reminded us how fucked up Citizens United is. Other than that I can't remember much. Again, not a knock on Warren but Michelle was just that good.
Bernie kinda gave his standard stump speech we've all heard multiple times now for the first half of his time. It definitely got awkward when he changed gears to endorse Clinton and try to get his supporters on board. Maybe it's too much to ask, I dunno, but I hope he tries a bit harder to explain to his followers that even though his candidacy died his platform did not. He and his supporters didn't 'lose'. I think deep down he knew he was the longest's of shots and to get such a large part of his platform into the Democratic platform is a huge win. He should do more to help his supporters that are new to the political process to understand this.
Gary Johnson it is.
For those of you saying "don't worry, the Sanders supporters will come around," I have to ask you: "what if you're wrong?"
I don't think the Democrats understand the depth of betrayal that these people feel right now.
Their once-in-a-lifetime candidate never even stood a chance because of a rigged political party.
Those are the kind of wounds that can take decades to heal and certainly will keep them home this November.
googleplex
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My goodness. I thought he was going to jump over that desk and strangle Lord for a moment. The frustration in Paul's in voice was palpable.
They already did. 90% of Sanders supporters support Hillary right now.
We're done here!
Yea, this Russian link thing is slowly picking up steam. I'm surprised more major news outlets are not talking about this but I guess they're waiting for a bigger confirmation.
Then again, Trump currently has a rape suit filed against him and that's not doing anything to stop his momentum. Who knows...
And yet she's losing to Trump in polls that were conducted before the DNC email fiasco.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
A dude on CNN said 90% of Bernie supporters were voting for Hillary in polling.
You're not going to get every single one but that much or close to it will make all the difference in the world.
googleplex
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Looks like a bunch of privileged people that actually don't know what it means to be silenced and not have a voice.
Not in the poll aggregate.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Romney was beating Obama in a poll after the RNC.
How'd that turn out???
googleplex
Member
This.
I swear, it seems like every 4 years, how polling works needs to be explained to people
If you can explain to me how Trump is going to win while losing every single minority and women, plus a real chance at losing college educated whites then please by all means.
Popular vote is hugely misleading in a Presidential election. Despite the popular vote being reasonably close in 2008/2012 the electoral college was a landslide Democratic victory. It wasn't even close, and Trumps numbers among minorities are worse than Romney's and McCain's.
Ok, let's go with Nate Silver "Trump would likely win if the election were held today."
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...-silver-id-favor-trump-if-election-were-today
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...-silver-id-favor-trump-if-election-were-today
If true that gives credence to the theory that Trump supporters masquerading as Bernie supporters are trying to sow dissent and that it's all much ado about nothing.
Because he's a shameless low character shill without an original thought in his head
eBay Huckster
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Yeah let's go with one part of one statistical model with a bunch of questionable assumptions over Sam Wang (who was just as right in 2008 and even more right in 2012) and the NYT, who from my understanding are basically using a refined version of Silver's earlier models.
echoshifting
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Cute. Here's the full tweet instead of just the bit from your article:
https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/757575965681786880/photo/1
"Clinton's still favored long-term."
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it's not today
whyamihere
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Good, stay on guard, no complacency
Yes, in the poll aggregate, Trump is leading by 0.2%: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Bam Bam Baklava
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Wouldn't this mean she needs to target white moderates/conservatives? That seems to be how Trump is doing it, extending the margins with white men.
The response to this is more complex and has to do with how the 538 model projects trendlines forward between polls (which will have a tendency to multiply the apparent effect when individual polls have outlier results during periods where there are fewer state polls, like now) and assumes poll clustering without doing much demographic analysis (potentially risky in a really unusual election such as this one). These issues are exacerbated in the nowcast. Basically, the nowcast is a toy model, without significant predictive power, and Silver has said as much.
538's post about your quote said:
The short answer is "the election isn't held today."
Those polls were taken after the email leaks!
I think it is a good idea to be afraid, so go ahead and be afraid. Donate some money or volunteer if you're worried.
I think it's worth at least waiting til after the DNC. At the very least, if Trump is really leading, it's not because of the Busters.
eBay Huckster
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Oh good you're even uncritically posting the RCP aggregate even though they pretty much arbitrarily add and remove pollsters from there based on what makes Trump look good. (They predicted a 500 EV win by Bush in 2000 for the same arbitrary reasons, for fuck's sake.)
This one's more representative, as it was in 2012.
This one's more representative, as it was in 2012.
why not the one where he says she has better odds when the election happens in november
considering that's, like, actually when the election happens
yanipheonu
Member
Thank God elections aren't decided directly after a Republican convention bump and before a probable Democrat convention bump.
Because, you know, elections happen during times that grossly inflate one side's numbers.
OpinionatedCyborg
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So I went to youtube to find Michelle Obama's speech..
Really? I mean, fucking really?
those arms
whyamihere
Banned
In the more agreed upon polling aggregate that doesn't omit pollsters for reasons, Clinton is still leading, even after the convention.
lol, wow. I really hope Hillary's team isn't naive as this forum seems to be. Her RCP projected odds of winning on November 8th went from 72% to 59% throughout July. Multiple polls show her losing to Trump. Scandals are continuing to plague her in the media that hit at her core weakness: she's untrustworthy.
At this moment, there's a lot of data and facts pointing to Hillary Clinton currently being behind and is losing to Donald Trump.
Brushing that off as "no big deal," or trying to find holes in those polls (as if you're statisticians) is astonishing.
At this moment, there's a lot of data and facts pointing to Hillary Clinton currently being behind and is losing to Donald Trump.
Brushing that off as "no big deal," or trying to find holes in those polls (as if you're statisticians) is astonishing.
Ninja Scooter
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They can feel all they want. By November there won't be enough of them to matter.
eBay Huckster
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I hope you enjoy your forthcoming vacation because that's exactly where you're heading with this thread-shitting. Address the actual counterarguments that have been made or get out.
I edited :-X dropped "all."
But seriously, she could lose. I hope y'all realize that and have a better response then "they'll come around."
whyamihere
Banned
Area man says silly things, gets inundated with multiple pieces of evidence refuting silly thing's point, digs in heels anyways.
I mean, like what, exactly?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
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This gets posted all the time, with nothing to back it up.
Nothing was rigged against Sanders, he got less votes, less superdelegates, won less states, by every single metric he fucking lost.
So far the only arguments i've seen is the Debate schedule and... that's it. That's also very questionable.
No actions were taken that would be considered rigging anything.
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